WTF are we "hunting" Saddam for, anyway???

[arcane1]

is that all we have left to do, is find this ONE GUY??


I recall not too long ago, before the invasion started, Bush gave Saddam (AND his sons) a chance to step down and GO FREE! Now we're killing 2 soldiers a day, and god knows how many civilains, to hunt this one man down? How did this turn into a 100,000-to-1 "most dangerous game"??? First it was the imminent threat, then it was humanitarian, now it's a hunt... what's next???

Fuck Saddam, what is he gonna do, march back into his palace now like nothing happened? I think not.


US out of Iraq!!!

dammit!
:grr:

[Rick Myers]

1. Sport?

:shrug:

[wontmoveon]

24. To take our minds off the WMDs that we can't find!

pure and simple. Saddam is not a threat to anyone. Most in Iraq hate him but they don't like
being "dissed" by the Americans either. We are the ones killing Iraqis at this time.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

38. BINGO!!!

:bounce:

[whoYaCallinAlib]

2. There will never be democracy in Iraq as long as Saddam is alive.

He is too disruptive. He has got to be taken down. I agree with you that we need to bring our boys home. But, I don't think they can leave right now. I don't hear any of our democratic candidates calling for immediate withdrawal either so I think I'm on pretty firm groud.

[arcane1]

4. why not?

what is he disrupting? Why does he need to be taken down? WHy can democracy only exist upon his death?

and isn't it up to the Iraqi people to take him down?

[Redleg]

Because there will never be a democracy there period

with or without Saddam and his sons- especially if we stay there and call the shots.

[berry]

22. One thing our presence may be doing is unite the supposedly

irreconcilable factions of Iraqis. They all hate us, or at least want us out as soon as possible, and are apparently fairly able to get along with each other and think about a joint future (without the US of course).

There's a great (but depressing) Guardian article about an Iraqi exile (a professor in Amsterdam) who just resigned from some committee formed by Wolfowitz to help in the reconstruction. He says the US arrogance is intolerable, that they don't consult Iraqis at all. Not surprising, but worth a read (it's titled "I did not want to be a collaborator"):

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4721149,00.html

[Muddleoftheroad]

26. Just like Japan and Germany?

nt

[sujan]

30. care to read the history of Japan and Germany??

[TSElliott]

35. Nani desu ka

"care to read the history of Japan and Germany??"

Please help me understand what you mean by the statement?

[ima_sinnic]

10. didn't Kucinich just call for withdrawal?

--regardless, there will be the kind of government that the IRAQIS want if we leave. if that doesn't fit our model of Jeffersonian, constitutional democracy, so be it; that country WAS a sovereign nation with a right to its own destiny. The U.S. does not OWN Iraq--even if it is at the moment spending $70 billion for this inconceivably greedy and short-sighted occupation. Like Nixon, these a-holes must go to the bitter end denying that there could be any other way than absolute depravity.

[Terwilliger]

18. There will never be democracy in Iraq while the US is in control of it

because the US does not care if Iraq is EVER a democracy...and thats the fact, Jact.

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

40. We have to capture Saddam before the Iraqi's believe he is gone...

So many are afraid to work with us in setting up their government while terrified of repercussions from him if he gets back into power. The sooner Saddam visibly surrenders, is captured, or confirmed killed when we attempt to do so.... the fewer of our men and women will die and the sooner they can come home.

[are_we_united_yet]

42. Don't take this the wrong way

But I think that is a bunch of crap.

[jackstraw45]

3. Bin Laden

Whew, at least there's no major drive to find that guy. I mean, Saddam - now HE'S someone we should worry about.

:eyes:

[Darth_Ole]

8. According to Bush League's logic, terrorism should practically cease.

I mean, since Osama obviously isn't evil enough to be looked for anymore, and Saddam is removed and he had Al-Qaeda ties. Don't worry about a thing, folks. King George has things under control.

I'm not for a complete, sudden withdrawal either. I was against the war and against sending troops in, but now that we're in there and now that we're facing more problems and chaos, I believe suddenly leaving would make things worse.

[renegade000]

16. when was the last bin laden story in the news?

i can't remember...

[realFedUp]

5. Trophy head for Bush's wall?

I would hate to be one of Saddam's doubles right now....

[Jacobin]

7. same thought at the same time

[Jacobin]

6. Lots of Red State Folks like trophies on their walls.

Like a stuffed head of an animal they killed.

Maybe Smirky will get Rumfilled to have a taxidermy mount Saddam's head and he can pose by it for re-election pics.

Since we have obviously gone back to the 14th Century with our behaviour, let's do it up right.

[Redleg]

9. Bush promised "dead or alive"

the posse needs to "head-off Saddam at the pass" and give him a taste of "frontier justice American Style."

[Terwilliger]

19. Who, Saddama?

Or Osaddam?

Looks like the only justice going on around here is...

well, when you find some let me know

[Solomon]

37. Ter, You're killing

me. Your posts are so apt, I can't help but laugh. Well said.

[Ivar]

11. political gains

a) ratings boost for Bush
b) so Saddam can't talk about his connections to Bush sr. and his gang in the 80's
c) to convince the Iraqis that he can't come back in power and that everything will be better now

[nostamj]

12. b) is the KEY

beyond the fact that this is a family blood feud, BushCo cannot afford a living Saddam...

you know there's LOTS more than the one rummy/sh photo...

[punpirate]

23. Most people have forgotten that Bush, Sr. suckered...

... Hussein into Gulf War I, heavily propagandized the American people for that war, then used the war as an attempt to kill Hussein. I remember seven or eight times in first few days of fighting in 1991 that the press gleefully reported that we "might have gotten" Hussein with a particular strike. They were aiming for him then, just as they are now.

We tore up half of Panama City trying to kill Noriega in 1989. And, after watching what is going on in Iraq now, I firmly believe that the only thing that saved Noriega for trial was that he hid out in a Catholic church. If he hadn't done that, we probably would have bombed the other half of the city trying to get him. Bush, Sr., would not have chanced re-election by blowing up a church to get Noriega.

We had 200 troops + a Special Ops unit + Apaches + A-10s firing on the house supposedly containing Uday and Qusay Hussein and two others and we couldn't capture them alive? No tear gas used? No sonic grenades used? None I remember being reported.

In the last day or two, we've been firing indiscriminately at cars in the Mansour district of Baghdad because of a "tip" that Hussein is in the area.

I'd say that all adds up to continued interests of the Bushes in political assassination, and to hell with the law and the Geneva Convention. All these people they have assassinated or are trying to assassinate know a great deal about those two prior icons of the right wing--Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush. They may even know a great deal about George W. and his excursions into both Afghanistan and Iraq, and a public international trial would not exactly be good news for either Dubya or his poppy.

Dead men tell no tales.

[Rhiannon12866]

32. I mentioned that on another post

The U.S. military has incredible technology at its disposal, but the method that they chose was just to launch a horrific firestorm of bullets until no one inside was left alive, including Qusay's 14-year-old son. 200 soldiers deployed to take out four people? Did you see that house in the aftermath? It was just riddled with thousands of bullet holes. They said that they had to demolish it because it was ``structurally unsound.'' Now, no one will ever see it.

There was never any intention to take them alive and have them face the Iraqi people, who were deprived of their chance at revenge. I've heard interviews with victims of Saddam's sons and they are angry about this.

Your reasons make a lot of sense. I was not aware of the history of this. Thanks.

[derby378]

13. As my wife reminded me not too long ago...

"Shiver me timbers, shiver me sails...
Dead men tell no tales!"

If you were Dubya, would you want Hussein spilling all the beans on his dealings with both Bushes? Might be a tad embarrassing.

[devinsgram]

14. You got that right.

[mike_c]

15. three words explain it all....

Bread and circuses. The hunt for Hussein is part of the circuses bit.

[Mad_Eye]

17. Leave one soldier........

Have him stationed at the door of the palace going "Silly Dictator......." lol j/k

[IndianaGreen]

20. According to a LBN story from Syria, to eliminate him as a witness

against Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=39019&mesg_id=39019&page=

[Rhiannon12866]

21. I do not know. I hope someone here might tell me.

:shrug:

[CWebster]

25. Substitute for WMDs.

to shift the emphasis in an attempt to make the "mission" credible.

Obvious ploy.

[blondeatlast]

27. I think the UN would be able to keep saddass and his cronies

in a very tight grip. Once they extablished a reasonable social order again, he wouldn't have a chance to re-establish his dictatorship with the UN at the helm. As long as we're there, saddass can do it since the civilians hate us (deservedly) so.

If ANY good is to come out of this war, bushit & co. has to swallow their pride and allow the UN in. Since that ain't gonna happen, the killing continues, and to what end? We're gonna be stuck there at least until the election, when the Democratic winner will create an exit strategy with the UN.

Sad and sick. I wish there were a hell, so bushit and saddass could settle their differences for eternity there. I'd almost be willing to buy a ticket.

[noonwitch]

28. "He tried to kill my daddy".

Bush wants to prove he's more manly than his daddy, the man Reagan called a wimp.

[markus]

29. Because we can't find the WMD

Bush needs to turn this into the liberation of Auschwitz, or something very along those lines.

What's really scary about this is that leaves this rationale: take out the "bad guys" who threaten Peace and Prosperity, without any regard for the rule of law.

When the *real* adults were in charge in Washington, this very sort of dangerous thinking lead to the ban on assisinations. That will be all they have left at the end, the very expensive and messy removal of one dictator.

It;s a morally and legally dangerous path to go down. This is especially true for a leader whom most of the free world considers to be the leading threat to Peace and Prosperity.

[LiberalLibra]

31. Two reasons. "He tried to kill my daddy" and also Saddam knows......

....too much about Bush I, Bush II, and Cheney to ever be allowed to walk free.

[opihimoimoi]

33. The Hunt for the Saddam

Woof woof arf weoof woff wooff arf yelp, woof

Got the Blood Hounds, the Malanois, the Shepherds, and the Brittonys. All the tracking dogs and still no Saddam.

The Horses are tired from the daily hunt. The dogs need a rest too.

Where the hell is that guy!>???

[RichM]

34. An attempt to appeal to all the red-meat loving sadists in this country -

The American culture machine has succeeded in breeding a race of ignorant bloodthirsty sadists who see the world in stark terms of good (us) & evil (towelheads). These impatient beasts require periodic feedings, to keep them baying properly. If you don't give 'em a nice public execution, or blow up some evil-doers for 'em from time to time, they're liable to get grouchy & unpleasant.

[ElementaryPenguin]

36. A 2 day ratings boost for *!! That's all Saddam's life is worth!

He may be a prick, but we have no right to murder the asshole! If we do we'll likely make a widely worshipped martyr out of a monstrous thug!! (at least he was THEIR thug) Unlike the Evil War Chimp!! Bush is so incredibly bad, he's managed to make Iraqis nostalgic for Saddam, and Americans nostaglic for Richard Nixon!! Now that takes some doing!!

[Rhiannon12866]

43. I agree. I have seen this. Iraqi citizens say that under Saddam they

at least had electricity and clean water. The most prosperious nation in the world cannot supply this for them. Also, I have seen so many references to Nixon. I thought that it might be an anniversary for Watergate, but what you say makes much more sense. He committed many egregious acts, but never launched an unprovoked attack on a third-world nation.:-(

[Rhiannon12866]

44. I agree. I have seen this. Iraqi citizens say that under Saddam they

at least had electricity and clean water. The most prosperious nation in the world cannot supply this for them. Also, I have seen so many references to Nixon. I thought that it might be an anniversary for Watergate, but what you say makes much more sense. He committed many egregious acts, but never launched an unprovoked attack on a third-world nation.:-(

[maggrwaggr]

39. Saddam supports gay marriage, haven't you heard?

he must therefore be liquidated

[CookieD]

41. No Saddam = Important

If Saddam is eradicated (sp?), and our troops keep dying, then we will have a better idea whether it is truly the Baathists who are responsible for the guerilla war, or whether it is the Iraqi citizens, who simply don't want us there.

It is important to clear this issue up.