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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 06:48 PM
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I am sick and tired of of all the talk about the economy getting better.
I know that this has been beaten to death, but it still seems like all of the jobs are crappy sales jobs, many of which are either part-time or temporary. Instead people are just looking at this from a Wall Street perspective. Where are the real good paying jobs? Where is the health insurance? Instead everybody is saying how great it is that the GDP went up 8.2%, the Dow bliped over 10,000 ever so briefly and the belief that 2004 will be the best year for growth in the last 20 years. Where are the real jobs? I guess we'll see but this "recovery" is a joke. We can do better than this, and we have done better, back in the 1990's.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 06:58 PM
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1. You are so right
The job market is a joke, still, and will likely remain that way. It doesn't look like it will get better in this administration, folks.
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JaySherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 06:59 PM
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2. Brilliantly stated. A ready-made soundbyte.
Edited on Mon Dec-15-03 07:00 PM by JaySherman
I strongly suggest you foreward that to all the Democratic presidential candidates. :thumbsup:
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:01 PM
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4. How do I do that?
I certainly would like to do that.
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JaySherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:11 PM
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10. Here's a link with emails:
http://www.democrats.org/whitehouse/candidates.html#dean

Just copy and paste your statement to the body of an email and send it to each candidate.
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:01 PM
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3. Nothing more than a "Media Recovery" IMO n/t
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:05 PM
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5. Well Said, Unemployed 40 Months With Two College Degrees!
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JaySherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:14 PM
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14. I feel your pain. A lot of good my degree did me.
Had to "outsource" myself to find a job that pays decent living wages.
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citizen snips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:06 PM
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6. The stock market went down today.
On Bush's day of victory the stock market went down.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:08 PM
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7. Here, here
everytime someone mentions the recovering economy I want to slap them. Of course there was going to be a stockmarket rebound, of course unemployment wasnt going to go up constantly and forever. The fact is the economy is in shambles, jobs, especially high level jobs are still disappearing and the current administration has given absolutely no indication that they intend to try and fix what is becoming a rather severe economic crisis for our country. We will have ups and downs, but overall it is just going down right now. We have no way to stop the continued trend of outsourcing proffesional jobs on top of labor jobs. We have no solution to our massive debt problem, our economic policy is in shambles.
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Kamika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:08 PM
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8. wow good post
Here I was gonna flame you and everything :p

I totally agree, just because walmart has hired ppl doesn't mean the economny is better.
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:13 PM
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11. Amen.
I think that some of this is just because of the holidays too.
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Danocrat Donating Member (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:08 PM
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9. People that aren't affected just don't get it
My mother, a Republican, just called to ask if I was coming home for Christmas. I told her I couldn't afford it. I can't afford the $20 for gas. She was shocked even thought she knew I have been out of work for thirteen months. Last month I ran out of money and now can't seem to get even a $8.50 per hour job. I've had numerous interviews but there are at least ten people interviewing for the same job. They seem to want at a least a four-year degree for a profession that has traditionally required just experience... and breasts. It would help if I had breasts.
My mother said she would send me money. To make a long story short--I wonder if she's wondering what her tax cut went for this year?
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Wwagsthedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:13 PM
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12. Recent events are scarily like the 1920s
Lots of people without jobs. Less than half the people were "enjoying the boom". Or maybe it could remind us of the late 1960s; instead of guns and butter, we have guns and guns. I'm not optimistic with the size of the deficit which is continuing to grow at an increasing rate.
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Brewman_Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:14 PM
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13. More job cuts
My company just announced another round of cuts. I won't be effected, but that's not my idea of economic recovery.

All the media says is how great this is.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:15 PM
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15. It comes down to a definition of good economy
and how the republicans have convinced most of America that a good economy is defined by stock market growth. Which of course is stupid, since most americans think that good economy means things will be getting better for them.
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JaySherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:27 PM
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16. kick!
:kick:
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:30 PM
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17. The cheer leading psychobabble is the only thing
holding this economy up. The true economic factors do not tell the same story. Something big and bad this way comes if the cheerleaders stop their cheer leading.
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KFC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-03 07:32 PM
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18. Would you rather hear that the economy is getting worse?
There is no question that the economy is improving. You point that out in your post.

Employment figures aren't getting significantly better yet, just getting worse at a slower rate. It takes time. This is hopefully the beginning of a turnaround in the job market.

But there is no doubt that positive expectations, a rising stock market, and rising GDP bode well for the job market down the road. I can assure you that declining markets, expectations, and GDP are not the formula for job growth.
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