BlackBoxVoting. org Praises Kucinich for breaking Diebold!

[dpbrown]

Wednesday Nov 26, 2003
Thanks, Rep. Kucinich: Diebold withdraws in the legal fight over the memos!

The EFF lawsuit could have gone either way, but there was no winning the battle against a powerful congressman, and presidential candidate, like the Honorable Rep. Dennis Kucinich.

He did a courageous thing, which shows truly effective leadership and demonstrates his commitment to this issue in the strongest possible terms: He posted the Diebold Memos on his Web site and then challenged Diebold to revoke its abusive use of DMCA cease and desist orders. If you would like to express your appreciation for his leadership on this issue, here is a direct link where you can make a contribution to his presidential campaign.

BlackBoxVoting.org was the very first Web site to publish memos, and was the first to get a Diebold DMCA pulldown demand over the memos — it very nearly decapitated us, taking us down for 30 days! You can see just how important these memos are by visiting The Kucinich Project in the Activism Forum. Rep. Kucinich's staff used this forum, which was private at the time, to prepare his Web page with the Diebold memos.

Black Box Voting

[GreenPartyVoter]

1. Dennis

is great. I love him to pices! :yourock:

[helleborient]

2. Thank you Rep. Kucinich! (n/t)

[Rainbowreflect]

3. One more reason to love him.

:loveya:

[maddezmom]

4. Kudos to DK. n/t

[Kanary]

5. Not only courageous and smart, but OUT THERE!

This man needs to be cloned! Think of the possibilities...

I have a few concerns for his safety, but....

Please know we're cheering for you, Dennis!

Kanary

[LittleApple81]

6. At one point in time I tried to contact Al Sharpton's and Clark's campaign

about this (before Kucinich became the standard bearer) and I did not even get an answer.
Thanks Mr. Kucinich!!!

[dpbrown]

7. I'm glad Bev included a link to his campaign

That's the best way to help.

Give Dennis money!

[blm]

8. I sent my latest donation in honor of his efforts on BBV.

Reward the REAL guy who makes the efforts folks. He was the ONLY candidate who was really against the war and spoke at rallies and filed legal papers in his efforts to stop it. THAT is the real antiwar candidate. Many of you rewarded another, instead, who wasn't even really against the war.

Reward the REAL guy this time, even if you're committed to another.

[Zomby Woof]

9. Yay!

Another reason to vote for DK in '04! :bounce:

[terrisel]

11. I am impressed by his willingness to act & his success n/t

[dpbrown]

12. And not everyone has seen the need or taken the action

This kind of leadership stands out, no doubt.

[dpbrown]

10. A Direct Link to Kucinich's Contribution Page

https://www.kucinich.us/contribute.php

How can you help?

Give Dennis Money!

https://www.kucinich.us/contribute.php

https://www.kucinich.us/contribute.php

https://www.kucinich.us/contribute.php

[Tinoire]

13. Awesome and KUDOS to Bev for making sure people understand

what Kucinich did for this.

This is the most critical election issue for 2004 because if this isn't resolved, we may as well not have an election- Bush wins by a land-slide.

Too many people seem unaware that Diebold played in the Florida 2000 fiasco. We can not afford a repeat!

Thanks Dennis and thanks to all who exposed this scandal, especially Bev!

[dpbrown]

14. A kick for leadership

Dennis kicks butt.

[dpbrown]

15. Respect what DK did for Democracy? Send him money.

That's how you can make a difference.

[Myra]

27. Yes! A donation to DK and/or BBV helps fight e-voting fraud!

So if you want your vote counted regardless of which
Dem you're for, please donate.

[dpbrown]

16. A kick for old times sake

Boy, things sink fast in GD.

[blm]

17. here's a kick for you, dan.

You do great work, too.

[dpbrown]

18. Thanks, blm!

It's easy to fight for someone so committed to fighting for me!

[Eloriel]

19. All praise and thanks

I absolutely do think it was instrumental --

BUT I really do object to the wording that implies Kucinich hosted all the memos. He did not. Unless it's changed since i looked, he posted 3 or 4 or so. This would never have been challenged under DMCA since that few memos would most surely fall under "fair use." They were, however, quite damning. And what he did absolutely did generate credibility and publicity, as well as some heat on Diebold. No question.

I wonder, tho, if it robbed EFF of a victory re DMCA itself? 'Cause to my knowledge the legal challenge EFF raised goes undecided as a result of Diebold withdrawing its Cease and Desist demand letters.

Eloriel

[RedEagle]

23. Better with Kucinich

The Diebold thing got a lot more press and attention with what Kucinich did. An EFF win would not have generated the interest or mandated media attention.

AN EFF win could have been swept under the rug.

Now we have Edwards and Kerry talking about Diebold- and it's in the New York Times!

Best use of memos- Kucinich, hands down.

(With all due respect to EFF, takes guts to sue Diebold)

[JohnKleeb]

28. Also consider that Bev Harris herself is giving him the highest props for

this.

[anarchy1999]

31. Your point? El, we know who you support..........

Point of your message is what? Lost me.

[JohnKleeb]

32. I dont know what her point is

BevHarris herself is crediting Kucinich for this.

[phirili]

20. Kucinich takes the most controversial positions. I admire him for that.

[govegan]

21. So cool............

like an April snowstorm
in the purple-tinged horizon.....

[Tinoire]

22. BevHarris and Kucinich are 2 extraordinary people! KUDOS to them!

and to the others who helped.

I like the way Bev explained how critical Kucinich was to this issue:


Respectfully disagree. Kucinich was critical -- lawsuit was iffy


They might have won the lawsuit, but they could not possibly have bucked a congressional website -- especially when the congressman, who is from their own state, is running for president.

It was Kucinich who won the issue, in my opinion.

That, and there are a few more li'l nasties happening with congressmen and Diebold that aren't public knowledge yet.

Bev Harris
http://www.blackboxvoting.org

From this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=782073#784789

[RedEagle]

24. Kucinich drove the others to deal with Diebold

The country is going to owe this guy a debt of gratitude.

Kick!

[Myra]

25. I dedicate this thread to all the folks who've urged DK to drop out...

Of the presidential race.

[Zomby Woof]

26. hahahaha!

Wickedly beautiful retort,Myra. :D

[Myra]

29. Thanks ZombyWoof!

Woo hoo!

[JohnKleeb]

30. beautiful as the thought of DK winning

Thanks Myra, I really hate it when people say that. Lets suprise them, and lets shock them, Kucinich man with the plan.

[RedEagle]

33. Credit where credit is due...

Kucinich was there first.

The best thing ALL the democratic candidates could do is acknowledge Kucinich's courage and vow to fight the battle for honest voting with him.

It unites them on an issue, and they can unite the country on this issue. It's a win-win for all of them.

Are you listening guys?

[dpbrown]

34. Dennis is making a difference

Right now, right here, every day.

Damn, he'll be a fine President.

[PissedOffPollyana]

35. Actions not words...

I have seen some try to belittle the stand that Kucinich has made on this issue and I find it disheartening. Similarly, I searched all the candidate sites with a search feature (most all of them) about a week back (when the story of Kucinich's involvement broke).

Not a single other candidate site even contained the word "Diebold".

While so many democrats (and I have talked to a few) continue to say, "I love him, but he's unelectable", I wonder what the standard is these days. Is it talking about taking the power of our democracy back for the people or _actually doing it_. There is no more important issue than the fairness and transparency of our voting process, especially when the man in charge of the machines guarantees victory for the guy who already took power via voting chicanery and judical coup d'etat!

Well, at least the others are starting to come around now that once again, Dennis Kucinich has led the way... hey, isn't that the standard for a LEADER... to actually lead _somewhere_?

We can choose the man who _can_ and _will_ actually bring about progress or just get the same old shuffle and empty promises with little real action. If we want to keep insurance companies deciding what health care we will receive (if any), keep our troops as sitting ducks in Iraq, keep millions of Americans from affording an education, keep throwing money at the already bloated Pentagon, keep giving gay & lesbian Americans a 2nd tier version of equality and (most importantly) keep our nation in the stranglehold of corrupt corporations, we can stay on this course of self-defeating lack of belief in our own principles.

Otherwise, see you at Kucinich.us!
~Mich

[diamondsoul]

38. Egads, Mich! You hit the nail with this one!

That's the criticism that sends me over the edge, the Kucinich can't accomplish anything-

Gee isn't it funny how all the others lag behind him when it comes to standing up for what's right? The IRW, Patriot Act, PNAC, and now Diebold. Gee sure looks like the mark of a real leader to me!

[PissedOffPollyana]

43. He's what is commonly known as a 'standard-bearer'

Usually, these are the inspiring people we nominate to represent us... well, unless they are Dennis Kucinich it seems.

If being "left" is so bad, what was all the focus on Paul Wellstone (I loved the man in life, miss his voice terribly now)? Would he be facing the same BS if he were still with us & running... something to think about anyway. I think if he is watching, he's looking at what is bandied about as populist these days and either losing his lunch or crying!

WWWD? Who would Wellstone Demand?

[mbali]

39. Edwards DOES go after Diebold

For some reason, a search of Edwards' site doesn't turn up the word Diebold, but he definitely has info about it on his site:

"Edwards criticized the contributions by Walden O'Dell, head of Diebold Election Systems. In 2004, 8 percent of voters are expected to use Diebold machines to vote for president, including all voters in Georgia and Maryland and voters in California, Virginia, Texas, Indiana, Arizona, and Kansas.

"As a "Pioneer," O'Dell has raised more than $100,000 for President Bush's reelection. He boasted in a fundraising letter that he was "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year." Numerous computer scientists have charged that Diebold's machines can easily be rigged in ways that voting officials cannot detect.

"'People who make voting machines need to be real careful when they talk about delivering elections," Edwards said. "George Bush should give back this 'Pioneer's' money. And we need to make sure these machines are secure.'"

http://www.johnedwards2004.com/page.asp?id=414


"MAKE SURE COMPUTERIZED VOTING HAS INTEGRITY

"Edwards Calls on Bush to Return Contributions from His 'Pioneer' Who Is the CEO of a Voting Machine Company; In 2004, 8 percent of voters are expected to use voting machines manufactured by Diebold, Inc. Numerous computer scientists have charged that Diebold's machines can easily be rigged in ways that voting officials could not detect. Diebold's CEO, Walden O'Dell, is a 'Pioneer' for President Bush who has raised more than $100,000 for his campaigns. O'Dell wrote a letter inviting friends to a $1,000 per person fundraiser at his home and asking them to raise at least $10,000 for the Republican Party.

"He stated, 'I am committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year.'

"Edwards believes the appearance of impropriety here is intolerable. The people who make voting machines subject to tampering should not be promising to "deliver" elections. Senator Edwards calls on President Bush to return the donations from O'Dell."
http://www.johnedwards2004.com/page.asp?id=415

[PissedOffPollyana]

42. Thanks for pointing that out...

It's good to know that the others are paying attention and at least talking up the issue!

[dpbrown]

40. Now they're suddenly all over it - Kucinich leads again

The leader on universal health care.
The leader on NAFTA.
The leader on UN in US out of Iraq.
The leader on ending Halliburton war profiteering.
The leader on Pentagon accountability.

Leader, leader, leader...

The best damn President we could get.

Dan Brown
Saint Paul, Minnesota

[jokerman93]

36. DK is a man of power

And this is also an example of why having a wide field of primary candidates is a powerful mechanism for cross-fertilizing information on the real issues this thime around.

Dennis may not be "electable" as they say, but his voice and message are having an impact. I believe that.

Also, I praise each Dem candidate for their individual contributions, but this is one that takes guts.

[bobthedrummer]

37. A Democrat like I remember them-by, for and of the People

All power to the people-like it states in The Constitution.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

41. Dennis Kucinich - Heart of the Democratic Party

That's what they mean by "leadership" folks.