I would like to take this opportunity to thank the anti-Deans

[mrgorth]

Since I've found this site I've been here as much as possible. It's almost an obsession. Now, much like many other non-political sites I've had to leave because they've all turned into political debate boards I will have to abandon this one. The anti-Dean posters have managed to make this entire board about how Rove and the media are propping Dean up and how Dean has no chance. Most of you now hate Dean more than Bush who is spending hundreds of billions on his war even as we speak. You've made the board unreadable and you are why we'll lose, if we do, come 2004.

[La_Serpiente]

1. What is an anti-Dean?

:shrug:

[DemExpat]

Stick around.....once we have a nomination.....

:hi:

DemEx

[truthspeaker]

2. you must be reading a different board than I am

I ignored all the anti-Dean threads and I still found plenty of things to read.

Face it, there are going to be people on here (as everywhere else) who are not interested in civil discourse. So what? Put them on ignore and move on.

I have made no secret that Dean is my first choice, but no one here has made me feel unwelcome and I have had civil discussions with supporters of Clark as well as supporters of the other candidates.

[quinnox]

3. Whatever

n/t

[Blue-Jay]

7. By "Whatever" do you actually mean

"Yes, I'm one of the worst Dean-bashers. Democratic Party be damned. Piss off if you don't like it?"

Just asking for a clarification.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

18. If Dean gets nominated and Bush wins in a landslide

does that mean it was the fault of the non-Dean supporters?

[Nazgul35]

24. does it mean anyone else would've won?

How can someone who can't beat Dean in the primary make the claim that they would've done sooo much better, when they can't even get the nomination of their own party?

I'm really interested in that claim's explaination....

[Feanorcurufinwe]

33. Does that address the question asked? no

[Nazgul35]

43. did you ask the question?

I know why you didn't answer mine....cause you can't....there is absolutely no way to prove that a candidate that didn't win the nomination could have won the general....

And as far as answering the question.....and you are always so careful about making sure everyone reads everything, did I make the statement? If the answer is no...go ahead...i'll give you some time to check than why do I have to defend another persons position....I was responding to the statement that reflects the general attitude that dean is going to lead us into oblivion...one of the points raised above....

And I also notice that you don't take the other poster to task for not answering the original poster with a question....hmmmmmmmm...wonder why.....

[salin]

29. a case could be made

with the same scenario for any of the candidates winning the nomination... that the democrats who spent so much time predicting loss and failure of that candidate - will have contributed to the loss were it to happen. Why? Depressing voter turnout. Depressing campaign/grassroots activism (I think we ALL have to get active in the end going door to door, distributing literature, debating with fence sitters, to counter the inevitable orwellian marketing/campaign media efforts that teambush is going to run with a spending advantage - in the end of probably 4:1). So yes. I think this. Not just about Dean and Deanbashers, but about Clark and ClarkBashers; Kerry and Kerrybashers; Kucinish and KucinishBashers, etc.

[mrgorth]

39. Agreed.

[Julien Sorel]

42. Of course it does.

We have the power, through magic thinking, to control the election. Just close your eyes and imagine that short little guy with his red face wagging his finger at you chanting 'You have the power,' and you'll understand.

It's interesting that this Deanite, like almost all the rest, ignores the multitude of anti-Kerry, anti-Clark, and anti-Gephardt posts that the Deanites put out, and have been putting out since at least June or July. Poor Howard, though! Such a victim! And all he and his beleagered and misunderstood fans want to do is heal the world!

And of course, never mind the fact that many of us began disliking Dean for valid reasons (unlike the dislike people have of Bush, which is perfectly understandeable). No, we dislike Dean, and the implication is that it's for no good reason.

:nopity:

[Nazgul35]

49. hey...you guys are supposed to be over in the other thread

bashing Kerry....or isn't it your shift....

ohh...and I love this line:

It's interesting that this Deanite, like almost all the rest, ignores the multitude of anti-Kerry, anti-Clark, and anti-Gephardt posts that the Deanites put out, and have been putting out since at least June or July.

at least Bush only says some in his bashing commercial....perhaps the reason most Dean supporters ignore the other threads is because the vast majority of posters, from all the dem supporters dont engage in this type of behavior!!

It is only a small few who either need some metamucil, get laid or turn 18!!! Or all three at once! (figure out who those posters are)...

The vast majority of poster dont do this....my reply would be to not read the threads if it offends you...kinda like radio...change the channel....but it is only going to get worse for whatever candidate gets the nod....and you (the original poster) shouldnt be only seeking information that makes you comfotable....that only means you'll get blindsided....

Take a deep breath...read them or dont (they are usually good for a chuckle...do what I do....try and picture them as they sound)

:evilgrin:

[salin]

27. me thinks

that your arm has healed... to be able to type that so clearly ;-)

[Blue-Jay]

51. My arm is better.

My mind, however, is becoming dulled by the continuous shit-spewing that a few here seem to revel in.

<Insert candidate> said "<insert inflammatory mis-statement>", so vote for <Insert other candidate> or we're doomed. You's think that they would tire of this line of reasoning, but they never do.

<insert lascivious wink at salin>

[salin]

53. LOL!

I think I have typed at least 20 similar posts today (calling out that exact, counter productive, behavior.) Must be something in the midwest water... or delayed reaction from the special formula of Nick's Beer... (by the pound!)

[Cornus]

4. Unlikely

I suspect that most people on this board would hop on the bandwagon for Dean if he were to get the nomination. Just because we individually support one of the other eight does not make us anti-Dean. It's just that we would prefer that our candidate get the nomination.

I support Wesley Clark and hope that he will be nominated, but if not, I'll support any one of the others and I think that the others here would do the same.

Stick around and keep supporting your candidate!

[Nlighten1]

5. Just ignore them dude.

I am a Dean supporter and I mostly stay away from those threads. Screw them. Stick around here just let the coolness get into your vertebrae.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

6. Bye!

:hi:

[Cocoa]

8. your perceptions are screwy

that doesn't resemble what I see. Did your lunch have some funny-tasting mushrooms in it?

[Nazgul35]

25. really?!

Perhaps you missed the responses from two of the worse Dean-bashers in this thread alone.....must be 32 years old...if you add their ages together...

[salin]

32. Not at all... it is just that ANY candidate supporter can walk away

with this perception. GD has gone from candidate flame wars to noxious vitriol and blind / knee jerk attacks against ALL candidates by fans of other candidates. It is ugly. It especially rancid against Clark and Dean - probably because they are the current front runners. Months ago the rancidity was pointed at Kerry when he was the front runner. I think this is harmful to us as a community and will greatly hamper our ability to pull behind any candidate once the nomination is sewn up.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

9. So if Dean gets nominated and loses

it's the fault of those of us who didn't want to nominate Dean?

[mrgorth]

10. Of course not

but the vitriol I see here indicates to me that you will work against him if he wins the nom. If I'm wrong, tell me.

[salin]

35. No - but those who are building negative, vitriolic tones against

candidates should be held accountable for creating such divisiveness as to depress turnout first of the number of hardcore day to day local volunteers that will be needed (at a level far greater than in past campaigns) and relatedly to depressed voter turnout.

THis is NOT just true about Dean - but about all of the major candidates (and their supporters) who are continually subject to knee-jerk rancid ranting that creates divisions that will be very hard to mend.

[mrgorth]

41. Thank you.

[bearfartinthewoods]

11. and the purpose of this is??

to make anyone who doesn't favor dean feel guilty because you are not happy here?

[Feanorcurufinwe]

34. I think you've hit on it.

And I ain't buying into any guilt-trips.

[salin]

37. or perhaps... as a very eloquent Clark supporter posted several weeks

ago... to raise awareness of the negative impact of the degree of blind hatred that gets spewn here against various leading candidates and their supporters.

One of the all time classic threads in GD... a Clark supporter talks of going to a meetup or fundraiser and hearing the name Dean... and starting to conjur up vile images of Dean... tasting it.. and then realizing that others were not having the same reaction... and realizing that the kneejerk reflexive reaction she was having was far out of proportion to the realities - and likely a trained response to the bitter, vitrolic, hostile posts/threads that happen here at DU.

Please note - I do not see these threads as only happening to Dean. At different times with different valence - there have been ongoing ugly onslaughts against numerous candidates ... usually as their candidacy picks up steam.

[bubba_fett]

12. I pretty much thought

that everyone here would support whoever wins the nomination. The only speculation I've heard is weather or not someone would vote for Lieberman.

I don't think there's any shortage of Dean supporters here.

[mrgorth]

14. I would like to see

any of them say that they will SUPPORT Dean if he gets the nomination. That's all I need to see.

[bicentennial_baby]

15. Hi there

Yes, although I do not like Dean whatsoever, I will support him fully, should he get the nomination. I'm serious, ok?

[mrgorth]

16. Thank you very much

alhtough you are not of the militant variety I appreciate it. I just want us concentrating on the real enemy.

[Mz Pip]

17. OK

Here goes.

I will support Dean if he gets the nomination!

Is that clear enough for you?

MzPip
:dem:

[Jerseycoa]

20. See here

I will support Dean should he get the nomination. I would like my own candidate to get it, sure. But not even being called a Repug, goose-stepping, baby-killing, neo-con, Rovite, piss poor excuse for a Democrat, day in and day out, will keep me from voting for the Democratic nominee. I'm not sure what we are supposed to be doing here if not talking about the primary campaign and our candidates, but the name-calling is a bummer. We should just, all sides, quit it.

[jayfish]

22. I Will.

I will vote for any Democrat who wins the nomination except Lieberman.

Jay

[Feanorcurufinwe]

28. How many times a day must we recite the loyalty oath?

I mean, get over it!

[DianeK]

13. i hope you will not leave us...

to tell you the truth, i don't think there are more than a 1/2 dozen of them...they are very loud, but few

[sallydallas124]

19. Whatevs

My opinion, there are a lot of people here trying to shake this forum up. Ya know what I mean? A lot of hyperbole there. The "entire" board is about how Rove is propping Dean up and has no chance? "Most" hate Dean more than Bush? The board is unreadable and DU will be responsible for "our" loss? If you really believe this then you probably should be moving on.

[democratreformed]

21. I'm sorry that you are so easily discouraged

I, as one Clark supporter, have read everything bad imaginable on this very board about my candidate. And this started way back when he first announced.

[FrenchieCat]

23. Didn't mean to make you leave.....

But I stood in the kitchen and took heat also.
It's a many way street my friend.

will support whomever gets the nomination.....

I Actually look forward to the day that we shall all band together as brothers and sisters and invade "Freeper" sites and apply our ample skills there. At that time, I hope that I will be looked upon as a valuable DUer by those such as you.

That said, my real objective is to get Bush out of our White House.....
and that means that I will point out any "Big" flaws that makes a candidate vunerable to winning against Bush....as not addressing those flaws could easily result in my overarching objective not being met.

That is why now, while there is still time, I do not hesitate on calling those candidates and their supporters on it.

It's all about beating Bush next year....everything else is BULL!

[mrgorth]

26. Please understand

I have no problem with constructive criticism. Or saying you can't vote for someone because of some issue you disagree with. It's the constant "a vote for Dean is a vote for Bush" crap. I'm working hard for Dean, we send out letters to voters, donating money, and then you come on here and thread after thread is unelectable. It's disheartening.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

31. Dean, the career politician, is a proven liar.

Is that constructive enough for you?

[bobbyboucher]

45. How does it feel to be so

ordinary?

[Upfront]

50. Silly Boy

Do think anyone who backs Dean gives a shit what you think after all your bashing? Dream on. Your almost funny your so predictable.

[OKNancy]

36. Do you think that when someone says

he is unelectable it is bashing? Especially if someone prefaces the remark with IMO ( in my opinion)?

Calling him a draft dodger, or a Republican, or an angry SOB is what I consider bashing.

[mrgorth]

38. Well no,

I mean I don't think Kucinich is electable and I love the guy. If you don't think Dean can beat Bush so vote against him that's completely reasonable. I do think that engaging in some sort of campaign on this board to convince everyone of it and that Rove is propping him up is a bit much. I hope you see what I mean and sorry if I got a little wacky there.

[salin]

40. sadly there are more of the latter, than the former

these days in GD - not just against Dean. Is as ugly as I have ever seen it.

[bobbyboucher]

47. Yeah, I do,

because they have no more way of knowing what might happen in the next 12 months than anyone. Anything could happen, so to say with conviction that Dean is unelectable is quite obviously suspicious.

[OKNancy]

30. I've thought the same as you

except in regards to Clark. I stick around, and try to only add positives about Clark, and not bash the other candidates.

Don't you think that you are more sensitive to negative comments about your guy? I know when I see a nasty remark about Clark ( a Nazi, for example) it ticks me off, but I usually don't respond because no one pays attention to the loud-mouth creeps anyway.

Just remember when you see a nasty post, that it really reflects on the poster more than the candidate.

[bobbyboucher]

44. You're not alone.

It really has gone WAAAAAAAAAAY beyond a discussion of candidates and positions and into a "kill Dean at any costs" suicide mission.

[Upfront]

46. Agree With You

But not going anywhere. Dean will win it all in the end. Some people will always be aginst something, rather than for something. Human nature I guess. So what. Screw um!

[drfemoe]

48. If you have to go

just take a look at who is running you off first ...

[EarlG]

52. This is highly inflammatory

I'm locking this thread. Please re-read the General Discussion rules. We are attempting to promote decent discussion in this forum, and this thread is not the way to go about it.

EG (DU Admin)