I have no problem with Republican's winning this California Recall

[LynneSin]

Seriously, as Bush would so eloquently quote: "Bring em on!"

Does Issa or any of these other republican governor wannabe's actually think they can come in and fix California's budget problems in time for the 2004 election? NO. This is a problem that will take years for it to fix itself and a short-term recall election fix is not the solution. But what we will see in 2004 are Californians realizing just how much money was spent on the recall (about $30 million of their tax dollars) and nothing was solved.

Second, Bush fucked up that state. This was an energy policy created by republican Pete Wilson and embraced by Gray Davis when he took over the statehouse. Bush stole the election and allowed the energy companies to take advantage of the loopholes in CA's energy policy so they could bilk money from California and help fix their (the energy companies) Red Ink books. I'd almost say Enron owes California $30 billion dollars, but any money we can get back from Kenny-boy & his cronies should first go to the ex-enron employees and other folks who lost money because of that energy crash.

I'm hoping Arnold runs for governor because after this mess he will not only be totally unelectable, but his movie career will be completely busted (how could he make another movie once he becomes a failed governor of California). I'm sure the Kennedy's are very aware of this but figure Arnold's a big boy and a repuke so why bother warning him. Maria can take care of herself.

It'll be amusing to see the Democratic win California by an extremely large margion in the 2004 presidental election. Thanks for helping that happen Issa!!!!


On an edit note: Californian's need not fret too much - they have the State Legislatures (both in dem's hands) to keep any repuke governor intake until the next real governor election)

[AP]

1. They'll pardon all the Enron criminals.

And there's still plenty of social wealth the Republicans can hand to their cronies. Also, the Republicans will put in black box voting machines, and you might see the Republicans win CA in 2004.

The dems still need a bullwark against Republicans in CA.

[molly]

2. I agree with you 100%

I can't believe, however, that the people of California don't know this? Have they just given up? What if they spend all this money and the recall fails?

We saw Terminator 3 the other day and laughed half way thru it - Arnold is comical.

[AP]

4. It's the Republicans last gasp in CA.

2000 should have been the last gasp for Republicans for presidency. Demographics were so clearly shifting liberal that, if Republicans didn't win, and didn't change America (turn us into a scared country which no longer cares about middle class wealth), they might never win again unless they actually changed their policies.

It's the same for Republicans in CA. If they don't win now, they might not ever win again unless they liberalize.

[molly]

6. I agree with Will Pitt - we need to take back the house

or we are doomed. Lynne, I have the perfect candidate (thought about this a lot since we last talked) for Delaware. Don't tell me he can't win against Mike Castle - Tom Carper whupped Roth and Roth had twice the campaign funds.

[okieinpain]

15. hey I liked that movie, and Arnold not a bad guy. just misguided

.

[displacedtexan]

3. the granholm silver lining

also of note in this debate, if repukes change the constitution, allowing ahnlod to run for prez, they open the gate for mi gov jennifer granholm, who was born in canada.

[AP]

5. Arnold isn't running for Gov, according to news today

and would never run for president. And the Republicans aren't so stupid that they'd pass a law which would guarantee a president Granholm.

[searchingforlight]

9. Can he run for president?

He is naturalized but don't you have to be born here?

[Brian Sweat]

12. Yes, there is a constitution requirement that the president be

a native born citizen of the United States.

[radwriter0555]

7. NO NO NO... California has the most passive voters on the PLANET..

the GOP wouldn't be bankrolling this move, this HUGE a move, unless they had some SERIOUS meat at stake here.

This isn't something to sit back and watch. If you ask 90% of Californians who signed the crappy energy deals that got us into this mess, they will tell you that DAVIS DID. The spin is WORKING.

NO ONE is supporting DAVIS. NO ONE.

And DO NOT COUNT ON THE LEGISLATORS!! oh my GAWD NO... You have to know that NO one LIKES davis on the hill. He has NO support there AT ALL WHATSOEVER. If he broke his leg in front of the Assembly or Legislature they would step over him to get to the bathroom.

DAVIS is doing the best he can in the circumstances he was handed. MOST other states are in crisis also, not just us. The US is in crisis, but people are passive idiots. They don't KNOW this, and see their own situation as unique, so in their eyes, signing that petition was a genuine motion.

We MUST VOICE support for davis and NOT LET THE GOP TAKE CONTROL OF CA. If the GOP can WIN CA, they will dismantle the VOTING MACHINE COMMISSION and the GOP will OWN THE USA forever.

Don't you GET IT?

California is a HUGELY critical factor in the 04 elections. HUGE.

[Freddie Stubbs]

8. Supposedly the White House didn't want the recall

They would rather run with a unpopular Democrat in the Governorship than with a Republican in there.

[foo_bar]

10. direct democracy or proxy republic

Recalls are incompatible with our lower-case republican form of government. I realize it boils down to state constitutions, Nevada could select their legislature with Powerball machines and probably win the 5-4 scotus opinion.

Even so, holding "no confidence" votes on off years is anathema to rotational government, as Clinton showed ex-Prime Minister Gingrich. Most voters just don't want to be bothered, which serendipitously reinforces representative government in lieu of proposition 187s every time the breeze blows.

[salin]

11. 16 years of lousy California republican governors

did not kill the GOP - and had they not run Lundgren against Davis in 1998 (and Davis was NOT a dynamic campaigner) they could easily of kept the governorship.

Wilson was a joke - he wasn't even that well liked - but he easily won reelection in 1994.

My point - for whatever reason, many California votes split their ballots - democratic votes for other offices does NOT make for democratic pick at the governor level automatic.

The strategy of let em win - they'll destruct in the long run - isn't such a safe strategy, imo.

[Skittles]

13. THEY DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THE ECONOMY

THEY NEED CALIFORNIA'S ELECTORAL VOTES AND PUTTING A BUSH WHORE IN THE GOVERNOR'S SEAT MAKES STEALING THE ELECTION THAT MUCH EASIER.

[Clete]

24. My opinion too.

This is a big grab for electoral votes by installing a Bush puppet in the governorship. Davis is going to fight this and so is Bustamante. They know what is at stake.

[LWolf]

14. I can't agree on this one.

I admit, it's partly selfish concern for my job, since I work for the state. It's more a concern for my profession and the people we are supposed to serve. Gray Davis has done a shitty job as far as public education goes; mainly because he latched on to Pete Wilson's "reforms" and supported/continued them. But put a repub in...I shudder. Those of us on the front lines in California's classrooms are in a no-win situation, but we've stuck to it and are still there. It's ugly, and getting uglier. Put a repuke in Sacramento, and you'll be lucky to have any non-stepford teachers left when the emigration begins.

[PATRICK]

21. Surrender is never a great idea

Let the GOP inherit the mess! Don't count on it. With ANY brains at all the Guv(a temp too) will sacrifice himself to turn the heat on the Dem government, make wild proposals for cures that will embarass the Dems, will grab the spotlight, the agenda and all the goodies that comes with the chief exec's srong position. He will get credit and a pulpit from the press and appeal to simple people with simple answers that can not be enacted.

Need I point out what Bush did with HIS untenable position? This will be bad for everyone, especially the Democrats, who the people might even blame more simply for letting this mess happen.

NY and California Dems had better wake up from their coma of incumbency real soon.

[w4rma]

16. *Never* give up power hoping the opposition will mess everything up (n/t)

[Sophree]

23. Good advice

(S)election 2000.

Fight, fight, fight, until the dying of the light.

We let them have it and look how badly they screwed things up.

[Walt Starr]

17. Day One after the recall election

Start the next recall.

Seriously, if Davis is recalled then no matter who becomes governor, there will be a lot of angry people who do not like that person. A recall effort should be able to happen quickly.

Then after that recall election, start another for the enxt governor,

then the next

and the next

ad infinitum.

Show the Repukes the whirlwind they have wrought.

[Lars39]

18. Foot in the door, democracy no more!!!

Even Pelosi has stated that this is a nationwide Republican agenda.
I don't understand why she's so cavalier about the little redistricting problem Texas is facing, though.

[salin]

20. This needs to be pushed - the Republican Party Leadership=Anti-Democracy

[Lars39]

22. The Dems in every state need to know every loophole that could

possibly be used by the Repubs to take control of the state, so that they can be prepared for anything, and not be blindsided.

[Zolok]

19. Passive aggression is the bane

of liberal politics.
If you want to defeat the GOP then you have to defeat the GOP, THEY WON'T F*CKING WELL DO IT FOR YOU.
Issa is a crook, Schwarzenggar is a ignorant arrogant Airhead and Simon and Riordan don't wibe their brows without first begging Karl Rove for permission.
That is how I see it...

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

25. The game isn't over yet, they might not be able to run

Read my post in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=72945&mesg_id=72945&page=2

[Eloriel]

26. What you don't seem to understand, Lynne

Is that it will be all the easier to steal CA too in 2004 with a Repug governor. UNLESS we fix the voting machine and other problems. They're already working on NY with Guiliani saying yesterday he thinks Bush can win NY.

Eloriel

[Zolok]

27. The National Revolution begins in California...

If you don't stop it now, then you will never be able to stop it in 2004.
IMPEACH
APPOINT
RECALL
DOWN WITH DEMOCRACY!!!
This is what we are faced with, the only debate is, who is gonna fight it?