If Dean or Clark win the nomination

[PlanetBev]

Do you think they would choose each other for a running mate? Heard that they had met together before Clark jumped in. Just wondering...

[tom_paine]

1. That is my hope, but it probably won't happen

[LoZoccolo]

2. It seems to me there's an understanding between them.

The sparring between them so far has seemed mild compared to, say, Dean vs. Gephardt or Dean vs. Lieberman or Dean vs. Kerry.

[PlanetBev]

6. I really hope it happens

Together it would make a formidible team. Dean is likely to be jumped on for avoiding the draft, but Clark would be a good balance to that. I think a team like that would leave the Repugs sucker-punched.

[returnable]

8. I thought that too...

...until Dean called Clark a Republican and attacked his credibility as a Dem candidate.

I think that might've been a deal-breaker.

I mean, even if Dean believed that to be true, how could he then justify adding a "Republican" to the ticket?

You're right in that the sparring has been relatively light between the two. I think that has as much to do with Clark not taking the bait as anything else.

But we shall see :hi:

[w13rd0]

17. Or it might have been to solidify...

...his credentials and appeal to bring dissaffected Republicans and Independents with him to an eventual Dean+Clark ticket...

If I were Machiavellian <sp> and knew that I was going against Rove, that's what I'd do...

[returnable]

19. Perhaps, but...

...he didn't wield the charge in a "unifying" tone. He made it quite clear that he felt Clark's past was a source of concern, not bipartisanship. If anything, Dean may have alienated some independents and moderate Republicans by painting with too broad a brush.

Besides, if DU is any indication, plenty of Dean supporters already fear Clark as a Republican plant.

How would they feel about this alleged PNAC/DLC frankenstein being on the ticket with their man?* Would they be willing to eat crow if Dean welcomed this "threat" on board? More to the point, would they be willing to support him?

It kinda cracks me up when I read posts decrying Clark's credentials, only to see the same poster later write that Clark would make a "great" VP or Cabinet member.

I mean, if the guy is a "war criminal" with suspect ties to rogue neocon operatives, how can you even consider him for any position in the administration?

Funny stuff :hi:

*disclaimer - I know there are plenty of Dean supporters who are OK with Clark. So save it. I'm referring to, well, you know who I'm referring to :)

[JNelson6563]

47. Oh that's very easily overcome

See, unlike some rabid, over-zealous supporters here at DU the actual candidates (most of them anyway) know the game. They know it's just politics (when that is what it really is, I know between some it goes much deeper).

I believe Dean and Clark could very easily join forces. I do not see any real bad blood there.

Love to see them in the WH and Sharpton as press secretary. :-)

Julie

[Capn Sunshine]

3. Judging by the condition of Clarks campaign

I would venture to say he's running for VP.

Unless withdrawal from races you might not win and inability to raise enough money and vicious in fighting within the campaign is a new strategy to counter the internet one.....

I'll be surprised if the campaign makes it out of New Hampshire in one piece.

[returnable]

9. "inability to raise enough money "?

Clark's campaign has some issues, yes. But fundraising hasn't been one of them.

[Pastiche423]

21. Just how much has he raised?

The last I heard, he was near the bottom of the barrel in the fundraising dept.

[LoneStarLiberal]

24. For That Cycle, Yes

Based on returns for the last FEC reporting cycle yes.

I think this next cycle will tell a different story.

[SahaleArm]

25. Quit the demagoguery.

He's raised $3.5/million in the last two weeks of Q3.

[Pastiche423]

27. That much?

:wow: :wow: :wow:

[boxster]

33. Yep, $3.5 million from 3,490 people. Here's a link:

http://irregulartimes.com/irregulartracking.html

Scroll down nearly to the bottom.

[Bread and Circus]

40. Your sarcasm has not gone un-noticed....

it is creeepy

[Pastiche423]

44. Creepy?

[boxster]

22. Yeah, $3.5 million in a couple of weeks.

That sure sounds like "inability to raise enough money".

[SahaleArm]

23. *NM*

*NM*

[wyldwolf]

4. I think the DNC might pressure the winner to pick one of the runner ups.

Especially if it is Dean and Clark, Clark and Dean, Kerry and Clark, Clark and Kerry.

The geographical advantage - and each of their popularity - would be a major factor.

[Capn Sunshine]

10. Good call....

That would depend on the DNC doing what we think makes sense though.
What are the odds of that?

[CMT]

5. I think it depends on how the two campaigns do in the primaries

If it is a long primary season and it comes down to Dean or Clark I think there is a good shot that either would choose the other to run with them. However, if Dean wins easily while Clark fades I doubt he would choose him. Same if Clark does well and Dean fades.

[Padraig18]

7. It's a reasonable possibility. n/t

[slinkerwink]

11. ??

Hmmmm, it might be possible, but I don't know....

[newyawker99]

26. Hi slinkerwink!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Renew Deal]

12. I think Clark\Dean will...

give us the white house for at least 12 years. The other way around would probaby work too. I would like to see both of their machines cranking through november with a Preference of Clark at the top.

[knight_of_the_star]

15. That WOULD be a lethal combo

Dean IS very good on the stump, I'll give him that, he is VERY good, and with CLark at teh head and Dean shoring him up, Bush/Cheney won't have a snowball's chance. Let's see them beat a staunchly anti-war campaign with one cadidate who has more foreign policy and military experience than Bush could hope for and the other who ran his state, by all accounts, quite well during his tenrue as governor. Let's see them beat that considering how BADLY they've been running this country!

[Rowdyboy]

13. A dream team in my opinion

Not sure if its feasible, but I hope so.

[Renew Deal]

14. I used to hate it...

but I am more open to a Clark\Dean ticket. I would love to see a Dean-Cheney debate.

Actually

Clark-Bush
Dean-Cheney would be terrific debates. I am not sure about the other way around.

[knight_of_the_star]

16. Oooooooh!

:evilgrin:

I am recording the Clark/Bush debates and burning them onto a DVD so that I will be able to watch that DVD the day after Clark is announced as the winner!

[sleipnir]

18. Good Lord, I'd Love that

Imagine if the announced at the convention, during a Clark or Dean acceptance speech!!! The drama isn't all on TNT.....

[mmonk]

20. Whatever we do

we need to be united as ever in the general election. I do think that it would be a formidable ticket (Clark/Dean, Dean/Clark). Throw in Kerry with either one of them (I know Kerry v. Dean has been heated), still would be formidable tickets in a general election. I still feel depressed about the average American voter though. They seem short on knowledge and concerned about things that aren't as serious as some matters concerning affairs of state.

[mzmolly]

28. Perhaps the supporters could 'urge' such an action?

hmmmmmmmmmmm.

[_NorCal_D_]

29. I wouldn't be surprised.

I know Dean originally expressed interest in having Clark as a running mate.

[Pastiche423]

31. Unless you have a link

to an exact quote, you are wrong.

There was some media speculation about it, but Dean did not say he was interested in having clark the chameleon as a running mate.

[Bread and Circus]

41. Clark's son would differ from what I have read....

[Pastiche423]

43. So?

clark's son also said his dad was going to announce by Labor Day. Din't happen.

In the Dean emails that followed the media's speculation, there was an outcry against clark - much to my eternal graditude.

[poskonig]

30. Dean/Clark; Clark/Edwards

Clark/Dean is downright stupid, since Dean brings no advantages in the VP spot but all of his disadvantages. That's like saying "I want Frank Thomas on my team -- let's have him play outfield!"

[carpetbagger]

32. Dean/Clark, but Clark/?

Dean would get a good bit from Clark as a running mate (image, defense credentials), but I'm not sure Clark would get the same from Dean. It would be better for a "ticket balancing" for Clark to go with Gephardt if he does well. Gephardt would bring him solid union and populist credentials, as well as the legislative experience. He could do worse than to go with Dean, though.

My disclaimer is that I think there are some candidates (Gephardt and Lieberman, for example), who would do better with Dean than Clark on their ticket should they win.

[jeter]

34. I think it is more likely that Dean would choose Clark as VP

rather than the other way around.

[DemVet]

35. Don't see it

but I could be wrong.

[Mz Pip]

36. No way

Dean has talked too much trash about Clark to be picked if Clark is the nominee. If Dean is the nominee, I can't imagine him choosing a ruuning mate he thinks so poorly of.

MzPip
:dem:

[janekat]

39. Dean's battled w/Kerry, Edwards, Graham, Kucinich, Gephardt - who can

he have as his VP? In addition, the Congressmen who were just called "cockroaches" might not be too interested. Can you hear it now during the first debate "Tell us Governor Dean - you called Senator Jones and his colleagues "cockroaches" how do you explain asking him to be your running mate?"

[jsw_81]

48. No, that won't be a problem

Candidates in the same party trash each other during the primaries but almost always unite after the nomination is decided. In 1980, Reagan and Bush said all kinds of nasty things about each other during their primary battle, but at the convention they united and went on to win the election. The same thing happened with Kennedy/Johnson in 1960, Stevenson/Kefauver in 1956 (although they lost to Ike) etc.

If Dean should win the nomination (and I hope he does), you can bet that Clark will be on his short-list for VP. If Clark should prevail, however, I think he'd consider Dean, but I doubt he'd be on the short-list. Time will tell.

[dawn]

37. I don't see it, but I think they'd be a great pair

[tedoll78]

38. I don't pray often..

but I'm praying for a Dean-Clark ticket. Clark delivers AR's 6EVs and military credentials, while Dean delivers NH and a fired-up base. Combine with Soros' $75 million GOTV effort in 19 key states to win Gore's states, and this puts us at exactly 270EVs.

Dean's managed to get tons of new people into the process. Thousands who have never donated before, thousands who have never gone to a rally, thousands who have never done anything political before.. even if turnout from Dean brings national turnout up a mere 3%, that 3% goes directly into the Democrats' column - that's huge. If turnout in Iowa and New Hampshire ends-up increased and is linked to Dean victories, the pattern leading to such a general election possibility is held.

[CoffeePlease1947]

42. It would be interesting but I honestly don't think that

Clark would choose Dean. But I could see Dean choosing Clark. But I do agree those two are most likely to be the last two standing.

Mike

[Rowdyboy]

45. They are truly complementary...

A liberal who people think is centrist and a centrist who people think is liberal. A win-win situation.

[tsipple]

46. It's Getting Less Likely

I think Dean has a lot of possible choices if he were to win the nomination. I'm seriously warming to Max Cleland as his VP pick.

If Clark were to win the nomination, I don't think he'd pick Dean. But I'm also not sure who he'd pick. Certainly someone with political experience (Governor or Senator). Maybe Russ Feingold? I have no idea, really.