Are Gay rights people doing anything about NAMBLA?

[Blue_Chill]

It seems to me the following from the NAMBLA site would do much to set back the gay rights movement. It makes it even easier for the RW to draw ties between homosexuals and child abuse.

<snip>
The issue of love between men and boys has intersected the gay movement since the late nineteenth century, with the rise of the first gay rights movement in Germany. In the United States, as the gay movement has retreated from its vision of sexual liberation, in favor of integration and assimilation into existing social and political structures, it has increasingly sought to marginalize even demonize cross-generational love. Pederasty - that is, love between a man and a youth of 12 to 18 years of age - say middle-class homosexuals, lesbians, and feminists, has nothing to do with gay liberation. Some go so far as to claim, absurdly, that it is a heterosexual phenomenon, or even "sexual abuse." What a travesty!

Pederasty is the main form that male homosexuality has acquired throughout Western civilization - and not only in the West! Pederasty is inseparable from the high points of Western culture - ancient Greece and the Renaissance.
<snip>
http://www.nambla1.de/pederasty.htm

[roughsatori]

1. You post a link to a site that promotes child molesters?

And ask me what I am doing about NAMBLA? I guess I could say: Are straight rights people doing anything about rape?" I personally would never post a link to a site that promotes child molesting--but I guess we look at things differently.

[Blue_Chill]

23. Jeez man, I posted this because it pissed me off

I support gay rights and so do all of my gay friends. When some asshole in my office e-mailed this shit to me I wanted to know if anyone was doing anything about these people.

I know that if I was in charge of a gay rights org I would be outraged and certainly at the very least address this insult.

I meant no disrespect by it.

[Heddi]

2. why? they're not gay

they're pedophiles.

They claim to be 'ostracized' like homosexuals were, but they're not gay. THey're grown men who like to have sexual relations with young boys. That has NOTHING to do with homosexuality, and EVERYTHING to do with pedophillia.

The reason they were 'marginalized' like gays and lesbians were was (according to them) because they weren't mainstream. BULLSHIT. They were ostracized because they were fucking freaks who had no place in society. ever.

edited to clarify

[jagguy]

11. Thats kind of a stretch

homosexual is same sex. boys are as XY as adults men.

They are certainly pedophilles as well but they are also gay.

[roughsatori]

12. You are wrong--Most pedophiles are heterosexual. NT

[jagguy]

14. thats true but we are talking NMBLA here

Man/Boy love. Not Man/Girl.

[Blue_Chill]

42. Man/Boy does not mean gay at all

in fact many if not most of the Man/boy sickos are straight.

[Ellen Forradalom]

3. What, exactly, do you want gays to do?

Strangle NAMBLA's board with their bare hands?
I've heard NAMBLA denounced often enough, myself, by both gays and straights. What level of din would satisfy you?

[Blue_Chill]

25. I wanted to know if anything the issue was even addressed

you know, when someone says that homosexuals are full of shit and that they are really all child molesters I figured someone would be pissed enough to address the issue.

[Liberal Veteran]

4. And what would you have us do? Kill them?

Generally speaking NAMBLA is a group that is frowned up by the overwhelming majority of gay people, but there isn't much to be done about them no matter how repulsive we think they are.

I don't where people get the notion that because NAMBLA exist, that it somehow has the Queer Home and Gardens Seal of Approval.

One might as well ask what the Christian church is doing about white supremecist groups like Christian Identity or Aryan Nations that try to ride on the coattails of legitimate Christian movements.

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[alaine]

5. The have the ACLU defending their constitutional rights

to free speech and free assembly. They get booed at every gay pride parade. What can I say, study after study has shown that 95-96% of pedophiles are heterosexual men, incest and pedophilia are epidemic in this culture, but bigots still want to pin what is largely THEIR disease on gays. What sets gay rights back is the assertion and the belief that sex between an adult and a minor is homosexuality rather than pedophilia. It is disgusting to me as a survivor of sexual abuse (by members of the OPPOSITE sex) as a child that the religious right continues to equate homosexuality with pedophilia, because by doing this they have betrayed literally millions and millions of children by helping this culture obfuscate its' pedophilia epidemic and blame it on gays. (This is not taking into account the damage it has done to individual gay people in terms of hate crimes and discrimination.)

Another thing that helps is the tenous nature of masculinity in this culture which makes male children victims of incest by members of the same sex prisoners of silence. They will not speak about their victimization because they think their masculinity will be called into question. These are pedophiles masquerading as homosexuals, but it's a free country and they have been challenged to the legal limit of their constitutional rights. The entity that really needs to be challenged is the church,as Sinead O'Connor tried to do 10 years ago, and look what happened to her. In fact, the assertion that gays don't want to do anything about Nambla is quite ignorant and uninformed, we simply can't . Look at the Supreme court ruling on "cyber-children" and see what a quagmire you get into when you try to challenge speech.

[slackmaster]

16. I've seen them in Pride parades

And they do indeed get booed. If I ran the parades I wouldn't allow them to participate because it gives homophobes something to focus on.

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[Liberal Veteran]

7. Sorry about the multiple posting....new board woes strike again.

:)

[alaine]

10. Some things are worth repeating! (nt)

[Liberator_Rev]

8. "Heterosexuality leads to pederasty"

People are no more justified to mention "homosexuality" in the same breath as "pederasty", as it would be to say "Heterosexuality leads to pederasty".

http://www.LiberalsLikeChrist.Org/about/equality4gays.html argues for an END to "special treatment" by the State for heterosexuals. The Church dictate whatever they choose for their own members, but should NOT try to dictate their beliefs to non-members by persuading the State to adopt their restrictive views.

I've repeated this post almost verbatim from another thread because I see that Blue-Chill posted this same post of his there and my answer is the same, regardless of how often he posts it.

[Blue_Chill]

27. You have something you want to get off your chest Rev?

Blue-Chill posted this same post of his there and my answer is the same, regardless of how often he posts it.

You got something you want to say Rev?

[KG]

9. pedophiles aren't gay.

what else does does the gay right movement have to say?

seems not much the gay rights people can do to school the willfully ignorant. leave the up to those involved in the anti-pedophilia movement.

[Blue_Chill]

28. Well why are they allowed at the gay rights parades?

I know they get booed but why are they even there?

[maxanne]

13. what are the heteros doing

about domestic violence and rape?

[Sirius_on]

19. Locking them up and killing them in prison?

nt

[maxanne]

20. not very effectively

if you look at the stats.

Fine job of missing/ignoring the point.

[Le Taz Hot]

43. Wrong!

In a lot of areas rape is still a "good ole' boy crime" and don't think it isn't. Take it from one who knows from personal experience.

To the original thread:
Homosexuality does NOT equal pedophelia. Gays and straights do what they can about pedophelia. Its against the law, and when violators are found to have broken the law, pedophiles are arrested and (hopefully) taken to prison.

I know the droolers can't/won't get this through their puny little brains but it amazes me at how much homophobia I find among so-called progressive Democrats. I've been dealing with this lately in my local Democratic organizations and its apauling.

[w13rd0]

15. Are heterosexual rights people....

...doing anything about Rapists and sleezeballs who exploit women?

What a stupid thread...

[Blue_Chill]

31. Well if there was a thread stating

DUers are all child molestors, because child abuse is a part of being liberal, don't you think liberal groups would at least respond? Especially if the group who said it got as much attention as NAMBLA gets.

[Terwilliger]

35. You're giving them attention

pedophiles do not consider themselves homosexuals, and they don't think like normal people (which is why their practices are shunned)

Homosexuals are not pedophiles. Pedophiles are not homosexuals.

Please delete your thread. Your hatred is not worthy of the Christ you claim to love.

[Blue_Chill]

40. What hatred?

You really go overboard with you grudge against me big man. Just cuss me out and get it all off your chest.

[Terwilliger]

17. Are Catholics going to do anything about pedophiles in the priesthood?

I mean WHEN!!!!!

oh...and they're not gay either!

And homophobia is a clear sign of homosexual tendencies.

[Mandate My Ass]

21. Touche!!

Tee hee. }(

[BuddhaGirl]

24. "Are Catholics going to do anything about pedophiles in the priesthood?"

no kidding! I'm a lapsed Catholic and I'm not holding my breath!

[jagguy]

30. the do ! they transfer them to other churchs !

that should take care of it shouldn't it ?

[Blue_Chill]

37. That is not true

but I agree not enough was done.

[Mandate My Ass]

44. yeah it is true

then they soak the same parishioners, whose kids were preyed upon, to pay for the civil suits launched against the pedophile freaks.

[Blue_Chill]

32. It's ok Ter

I know you enjoy trying to piss me off. I'll pray for you.

[Terwilliger]

39. and I you

[Andy_Stephenson]

18. Shunning them for the Sick FUCKS

they are! They give decent honest GLBT persons a bad name.

[no one in particular]

22. Unfair

That's like saying Christians should "do something" about the Jerry Falwells, or that Muslims should "do something" about the jihad nutjobs.

I'm white, but its not my job to "do something" about white people who do bad things. I own an SUV, but its not my job to "do something" about other SUV drivers who don't follow the rules of the road.

[Blue_Chill]

33. Bullshit

It is more then fair to demand Christians do something about the Falwells and the Robertsons of the world. I have been demanding it for frickin years. The only reasons these bastards get away with what they do is because fellow Christians kep quit.

[no one in particular]

47. NAMBLA isn't getting away with anything.

This may be one of those freakish issues on which lefties and righties can agree.

Anyone who supports their goals are the sickest of the sick. Why should decent gay people have to say anything about them? NAMBLA has near zero support and it ain't going up.

[BuddhaGirl]

26. Stupid thread!!!!!

eom

[Blue_Chill]

34. k

thanks for posting

[karlschneider]

29. I have wondered something for years (more than 40)...I know quite a few

gay people (nearly all male) and have yet to meet one who would either support or defend NAMBAL. So what I am actually wondering about (while recognizing that there is surely a small subset of the gay population that might subscribe to pedophilia as an acceptable enterprise)* is whether the 'organization' is largely an invention of the rightwingers as basically a straw-man excuse to excoriate homosexual people.

It wouldn't be the first time such tactics were used. But I don't know, really - it's just that my own gay acquaintences don't think that way.

* I guess I'm assuming that their "agenda" is to promote sex between adults and pre-pubescent children.

Edit: typo

[Blue_Chill]

36. I have thought the exact same thing!

It's seems rather insane that a group like this would exist knowing that all people associated with it would instantly be investigated by authorities.

This must be a right wing creation. I wouldn't be surpised it it was owned by PitchFork Pat Robertson.

[karlschneider]

45. Well, not only that (investigated), just a near universal revulsion. Who

the hell would want to be identified with such a group? I confess I know almost nothing about them (if they exist)...maybe I'll do some googling & try to see if there are actual humans with names involved...
:eyes:

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

38. I'd stay away from that web site if I were you

I don't know, but someone could pay you a visit. A la Pete Townsend, Pee Wee, Mr. Rooney...

[Blue_Chill]

41. Got it on e-mail

from a RWer in my office.

[QC]

46. Are Methodists doing anything about mail fraud?

That makes about as much sense as the premise of this thread.