Cross another RW family member off the list!

[blonndee]

Well, I've had it. I used to just delete the tripe this idiot (my cousin) sent me; a couple of times I responded with factual, thoughtful counters to what she sent, with no response from her. I got ANOTHER one (after several months) from her tonight and I just lost it on her stupid, unthinking, freeperesque ass. Basically she was forwarding along an email that contained a bunch of pictures of smiling Iraqis with soldiers with the following text:

"These are the pictures that you will never see on the news, but that still need to be seen (especially by those anti-patriotic Americans who refuse to support what our military does)."

And here's what I wrote back:

Please stop sending me propaganda and classifying ME as "anti-patriotic" for not supporting the illegal invasion of Iraq which has NOTHING to do with the so-called "war on terror." If it was such a good cause, why did Bush have to lie about why we were going over there? Get a freaking clue and don't go down in history as one of the willfully ignorant imbeciles who supported this dictatorial, incompetant, sociopathic maniac till the end.

I am one of the most patriotic people I know. I actually WORK to preserve the ideals of my country. It is my life's work to serve my country and to PROTECT it the best way I can from those who wish to destroy our freedom--not the terrorists, but those who work from within and who are taking away our rights, one by one by one. What have YOU done to be an active citizen? It's very easy to forward an email without even THINKING about it. Have you marched on Washington? I have, and I have also marched in areas in which my cause was extremely unpopular. Do you regularly contact your senators and representatives? I do. Do you educate yourself about current events, going beyond what the teevee corporate news tells you? I do. Have you donated to charitable and political causes after evaluating what they stand for? I have. Does your career path relate to your standing as an active CITIZEN (not a mindless, apathetic consumer) of the United States? Mine does.

How DARE you call me anti-patriotic or anti-American, when I care more about the future of my own country than I do about my own future!!! THINK for yourself, and be a REAL American.

If you cannot formulate an intelligent argument, ON YOUR OWN, for still supporting this fascist regime and this illegal war, but still continue to do so, then you are a SORRY excuse for an American, and a flat-out idiot.

--*blonndee*

***************

Merry fucking Christmas! Seriously, scratch another family member off the list. I'm sure she'll be badmouthing me around to the rest of the fam this season. :-(

[Crazy Guggenheim]

1. Excellent.

[seabeyond]

2. i bet the pictures she sent you are from the beginning of the

invasion. there were a string of pictures and they still go around as if it is current conditions. that isnt the reality today. and this i hear from the soldiers themselves

[tulsakatz]

23. that's typical!

Conservatives have a habit of telling half of the story. And the part they tell is always the part that makes them look good!

[antonialee839]

3. Hey, I had to listen to my sister-in-law yap on about how the

Constitution had to be changed tonight. She also doesn't mind if the President snoops through her mail etc. I wanted to throw up.

[aquart]

18. Pin her down.

"So, you're loyal to the President but not the Constitution?"

"Would it be okay if George crowned himself king and ruled forever?"

"Is George Bush better than you are? Is he above the law?"

[Mojorabbit]

20. I heard the same thing at a party last night

"I am not doing anything wrong and the govt is welcome to spy on me. If it keeps us safe and they need to listen to conversations to catch terrorists, that is ok by me"

It took all I had to be polite. Perhaps the tequilla shots helped.


On the bright side everyone there hated Bush. One guy said he was furious with his wife for voting for the other guy(couldn't remember Kerry's name) but now wishes he had.

[tulsakatz]

24. aah, that's what they say now..........

....but what will they say when the NSA snooping catches them for doing something wrong?

They may be looking for terrorists by doing this but do you really believe if they catch someone doing something else illegal, they're just going to let them go? I don't think so.........

People are not angels............everyone does something wrong at one time or another!

[Enraged_Ape]

33. And what if they get mistaken for someone who IS a criminal

All it takes is for someone whom they've pissed off to put in a little anonymous phone call to the authorities. "I was at a party and heard Jane Smith say stuff that sounded like terrorist threats..." Suddenly, Jane's become fair game to have all of her dirty laundry sorted through by guys with dark suits, sunglasses, and crew cuts.

There is a damn good reason why the framers of the Constitution put the prohibition against warrantless searches in it, because the SHIT DESCRIBED ABOVE HAPPENED ALL THE TIME UNDER MONARCHIES, AND THEY WERE SICK AND TIRED OF IT.

Any dumbass who thinks they are somehow immune from the unchecked power they've allowed to come into their leadership should talk to someone who lived in Italy or Germany during World War II. If they still think they're untouchable, they deserve every other bad thing that happens to them.

[tulsakatz]

48. that's true..........

and now that they don't need court approval to do that, that's about all it would take too!

We used to have due process in this country where the police could not search you without at least a suspicion of illegal activity..........now they don't even need that!!

And once they've got you, they can lock you up and throw away the key!! Forget about getting a lawyer.........you're not even entitled to talk to one!!

[FreedomAngel82]

54. Speaking of your example

I'll never forget this. It was a good while back, perhaps early early this past year, I was listening to Mike Webb's show. He had a guy called in who was middle eastern. You could tell cause he had a heavy accent. He said he was out eating with someone at a restaurant and was an American citizen. I can't remember if he told if he was born here or what, but he was eating and talking to the person he was with. Later that night he was home enjoying the rest of his evening and the police came by to arrest him! They never told him why, gave him a lawyer nor a phone call. Seventy-two hours later he was released because he corporated with the authorities and there was nothing wrong. It turned out a waitress at the restaurant heard him speaking and turned him in and "thought" he was a "terrorist" because of his accent and skin color! How racists! Try to find the film "UnConstitutional" which is about the "Patriot Act." I believe you can see it at http://www.informationclearinghouse.info I'm not sure but I think you can. In it there's a story of this family who comes to America to escape their home government. I can't remember if it was Iran or Israel but I think Iran. The guy was a poilet and he was driving their president and he was having trouble with the plane. If he didn't land they all would've died. Instead of giving him a medal and making him a hero they made him quite the opposite! So he and his family fled here to America and than they opened a shop with middle eastern items and whatnot. One day they were home and asleep and the authorites (FBI) I believe came and rounded them up and put them in jail for half a year. The mother got very sick and they didn't do anything for her. The family but the father got out of jail after they called another family member who wasn't living with them to help. The dad did finally get out but they were targets because they were Arab and owned a mid east store. *sigh* So you never know when you're a target. And try to find Malloy's show at whiterosesociety.org where a caller calls in and tells about Ohio's version of the "Patriot Act." Now that's more scary than anything!!

[FreedomAngel82]

53. That's true

Or you may not think it's wrong but the person spying on you could easily use it against you. They never think about that eh?

[Raksha]

25. Yikes, what an idiot!

Re >>"I am not doing anything wrong and the govt is welcome to spy on me. If it keeps us safe and they need to listen to conversations to catch terrorists, that is ok by me"<<

Don't these idiots realize they don't HAVE to be doing anything wrong? All they have to do is make the wrong person believe they are doing something wrong, even temporarily, to get hauled in as a suspected terrorist.

Or do they think that kind of thing only happens to liberals?

[WinkyDink]

29. THE reply:

"Oh, I AGREE! People with nothing to HIDE shouldn't be afraid of others knowing what they do! THAT'S WHY Cheney should reveal what went on in his Energy Dept meetings with oil company executives! THAT'S WHY Bush and Cheney should testify under oath about 9/11! THAT'S WHY Bush should NOT have denied public access to the Presidential papers of his father and Reagan! THAT'S WHY...."

Heh, heh, heh.

[MadisonProgressive]

34. These people act like they've previously given permission to

the feds to monitor them. "that is ok by me"... What if it wasn't ok with you? You had no FUCKING choice in the matter you goddamned moran!!

[FreedomAngel82]

52. That's uplifting

Someone on Stephanie Miller's show, and here on DU too I believe, made the point to ask your conservative friends if they would like it if a president Hillary Clinton could spy on you in 2008.

[Blue_In_AK]

4. The best thing about my family

is that we're ALL Democrats.

[babylonsister]

7. You don't even know how lucky you are, Blue....nt

[NYC Liberal]

12. Me too...it's so nice.

Actually, we have one or two conservatives (who think Fox News is TOO LIBERAL. :o ) and a few who are apolitical but don't really like Bush. But other than them, 100 percent liberal.

[yorkiemommie1]

32. you are SO lucky

i HAVE to venture into RED Orange county ( socal ) . if any fundie/rw issue comes up, i'm going to have to say something. oh. and i wear my peace sign necklace everywhere i go as well as my black " i did not vote 4 bush' and ' think blue' wristbands'.

[MadisonProgressive]

35. LOL, me too! I don't even have any friend that are repukes

[Bushies gotta go]

46. Mine too

At least there is safety inside the family.

[Erika]

5. I'm truly impressed.

The right wing need to have it thrown in their faces that their backing of W equates them to be accomplices in a needless war where our military and Iraqi innocents are paying the price for global corporatism and imperialism of W.

[babylonsister]

6. Recommended, nominated, and I can relate totally. nt

[hwmnbn]

8. Whoa, that was beautiful.....

impassioned and factual. You pointed out the the difference between saying you're a patriot and being one. Excellent!! All the specific things you do to better our country serve as a good example for all of us. Many of us do the same as best we can.

I know it's tough to be estranged from a family member, but some are easier than others. Thanks for sharing your response.

[blonndee]

13. Yeah, I doubt she'll get the comparison...BUT I did hit "reply all." I

was just SO pissed.

Thanks for the empathy...that whole side of the family is like that. I had hopes for her, but she's as unthinking as they are. :(

[adigal]

9. Good for you - I have been responding

aggressively, also, to the nonsense the right wing sends around in regard to the war, Christmas under assault, and the lack of prayer in schools. I think that these people need to be smacked with the truth, unvarnished, harsh and clear. Maybe some will listen and learn.

[blonndee]

14. Wow, good for you. I found it EXHAUSTING, that's why I usually

delete them. My current situation as a GTA makes it hard to respond to those emails (mentally and emotionally) just because of time and intellectual commitments. But that's how I felt tonight. I wanted to just SMACK her with the fucking truth. Whether or not she "gets" it...well, if we're all still around in 30 years, I can tell her I told her so. And who knows, maybe she'll be guilted into looking into things. Ya never know.

[NYC]

10. Well done.

You did the right thing.

[countmyvote4real]

11. Beautiful, but it will fall on clueless ears.

I have shunned my RW family ever since the 2003 invasion. They still don't "get" our differences even though I have responded like you with my discomfort of the regime they support. While I miss them, I think that I miss memories of a time long ago when I was a child. The truth is that I abore their politics and can't stand to be in their breathing room. I can't gift them because I just don't want to. Likewise, I don't accept their gifts, but that is no longer a problem. The whole gift/recieve thing doesn't work when I don't gift.

I can't gift even if I wanted to. I don't have health insurance, but I have $1700 of ER that has done NOTHING for me.

Oh well, Merry fucking Christmas.

[shenmue]

15. Glad you stood up

I don't like arguing but sometimes you have to.

:thumbsup:

Good for you, having the courage. Shame we can't all get along, but I'd rather disagree than put up with someone who truly rubbed me the wrong way.

[leftstreet]

16. Just agree with them. Try to out-crazy them - it's fun!

"Fuckin-A right cuz! And I think we as REAL Americans oughtta start WATCHING any of our friends, family and neighbors who are UNPATRIOTIC. Any FUCKING BASTARD who doesn't SUPPORT THIS WAR should be drawn, quartered and eliminated. Merry CHRISTmas."

Don't argue with them. It's bad for your blood pressure. They are the UnDead. They will never get it, because they're in complete denial over (whatever) trauma from their childhood has left them fucked for life. Have fun with them instead.
:)

[Danascot]

28. I find that if I

start jumping around and screaming, "Bomb their kids and steal their oil!", that they edge away fairly quickly.

[mrcheerful]

17. Did these Iraqi citizens have signs too?

I was sent pics like that once to and found it really amusing that they were all carrying signs written in english saying how thankful they were to america. One thing that bothered me, who wrote the signs from them to hold? We all know that very few speak english and far fewer write in English

[WinkyDink]

30. I'll bet the Iraqi pix are phony, from this website:

You can write whatever caption you want on the sign. It has church signs, too.

http://www.customsigngenerator.com/iraqi.asp

[Dogmudgeon]

19. I guess I'm lucky

My right-wing relatives are well-behaved; polite, even. No ranting, no raving, no Freeping, no hating. One even "came over" this year and is allegedly signed up here at DU, although he hasn't posted yet, wanting to read some of the posts first (he hasn't run away screaming in terror yet, so that's a good sign).

The only problem is that I don't get any of the barking-monkey cascade mail, stuff like "Michael Moore Wants To Ban Jesus!" sent to me and 500 of the sender's closest friends. That's an outstanding venue for counter-propaganda, though most DUers hate getting it.

Anyway, Merry Christmas, fucking or celibate. And may all your Nude Year Dreams come true, especially those that involve George Bush standing up before the SCOTUS and hearing Fat Tony (being compelled to) say "Guilty on all counts".

--p!

[shance]

21. Great letter blondee***

Thanks for posting. I hope you have a Merry Christmas and heres to a better year in 2006!

[tulsakatz]

22. well done!!

You should ask her why she supports Bush in spite of him removing some of her civil rights. Although you did suggest that in your message.

[WhoDoYouTrust]

26. Funny, I just clicked on "send" with an email and came to this thread.

A "friend" just sent me two emails, one about overloading the ACLU mail and hopefully, shutting them down all for a cheap price of a 37 cent stamp. The second one was about the "War for Christmas".

I replied that as a member of the ACLU, I resent what she wanted to do. Then I told her the "War for Christmas" was made up the right-wingers to further divide the country and why wasn't the House of Representatives working on dire issues this country is facing. I also told her that I didn't send her letters for the impeachment of George Bush to sign.

We had never talked politics before, but she is someone I see frequently. We'll see what happens.

[blonndee]

42. Best of luck! I'm a little afraid to visit my inbox now, since I replied

to ALL! Ah well...it was worth it. I had had it up to you-know-where.

Hope you can get a real dialogue going with your friend.

[Brewman_Jax]

27. Good job!

Send 'em this address: http://www.usarmy.com/

I find that this gets the Bush* supporters and RW zombies quiet in a hurry.

[Jokinomx]

39. I guess the U.S. Army can't handle the influx of interested

citizens to their website. I tried to follow your link... and it has exceeded its bandwith limits. lol

[B Calm]

31. I did the same thing to my right-wing cousin down in Oklahoma.

I just so sick of his stupid bullshit e-mails, I told him off after he couldn't debate me with facts. Instead he just called me names while snacking on lead paint chips and drinking his moonshine. I didn't want to, but I had to put his e-mail on block.

[Az_lefty]

36. Nice work...sometimes you just have to make a stand

I used to get this kind of nonsense from my freeper friends until I started replying with facts and links to back it up. I was very polite, just pointing out their error. I don't get ANY emails from them anymore. I guess they just couldn't handle the truth.
:toast:

[The Backlash Cometh]

37. I don't think they realize what's coming.

Those right-wing relatives are so accustom to being unchallenged for so long, that they don't see the backlash that's coming. We're so fed up with their stupidity, that we would rather cut them out of our lives, than have to sit through another dry turkey dinner with them.

[Jokinomx]

38. Wow...

I am glad you got that off your chest.

I can relate to every word you typed. Damn...you were right on!

:toast:

[freedomburn]

40. Good for you! I applaud your conviction here!

[gordianot]

41. I've done the same thing. In my case it shut them up.

[Obamanaut]

43. Very nice indeed. I've put family members on my blocked list due

to repetitious "family spam."

[blossomstar]

44. Way to go! I got one of those war propaganda emails... just

didn't have your strengh to fire back so eloquently! Well said. Next one I get... BOOM!

[Bushies gotta go]

45. Thank you thank you thank you

You have me rolling on the floor. That was good. No, it was great. But yet so sad to have to say it.

Will you marry me? hahahaha

[mopinko]

47. yeah, my brother saved me a lot of money tonight.

i talked to him for 3 minutes, and decided i did not need to buy 7 plane tickets to be at his wedding in july. he was trying to sell me that our nephew, a major in the special forces, was over there supplying iraqi school children with books and pencils. (i am confident that my nephew does not send out e-mail about what he is doing.) he said he doesn't read the papers, because there is no good news about what we are doing over there. i tried to tell him to back off the conversation, but he didn't. so i just passed the phone along. and decided that, yeah, i can save the money. i didn't really want to fly in the police state anyway, especially since i would be taking my bi-polar kid. (don't want to fly with her now that it would apparently be okay for the air marshals to shoot her dead.)

[Gloria]

49. I told my uncle to stop ages ago...once in a while, he starts up sending

me crap again. I just delete it without looking at it...

[blonndee]

50. I can't believe none of them have replied so far! The "reply all" was

at least 20 people, maybe more, and I've been a little nervous about opening vitriolic emails from strangers, but NOTHING!

Maybe it's just the holidays...

[FreedomAngel82]

51. Aw

I'm sorry. :hug: I hate what Bush has done to families across our country. :( It's so sad because family to me is so important. *sigh* :( Luckily my family doesn't talk about politics and both of my grandmother's are no longer Bush supporters (my grandmother on my Mom's side voted for Kerry but not my other one but she no longer believes Bush thank God!).

[Raydawg1234]

55. Hey your familiy is all you have.

My uncle is a Bush-supporting Joe-sixpack. But we agree to disagree. I hate to say it, but some people are just dumb. They were born like that. It's up to people like us to step up and take the leadership roles. Its smart people like us that should be running the country, not all these rich corrupt ass holes.

[blonndee]

57. Yep, she's dumb. And "family" may be all I have, but some people CHOOSE

their family, remember. It is NOT worth it to waste my energy on people lik her, who have CHOSEN to remain ignorant. I put up with her shit for years and finally had enough. It's not worth it to remain "family" with someone whose beliefs are anathema to everything I stand for, and who refuses to think independently. Believe me, I have spent ENOUGH energy on that side of the family. They're the reason I haven't been home for two Christmases. They are a bunch of racist, classist (even though THEY are poor) homophobic rednecks, and would gladly have partaken in KKK activities had they had the chance. (Not necessarily this cousin, but her parents and their siblings). It's not a matter of "politics" or the simple "Republican v. Democrat" argument" of 10 years ago. These people are fascist, willfully ignorant sheep, and I have made the decision NOT to be their family anymore. If you can't understand the difficulty and pain of doing so, then you have it easy, my friend.

[Raydawg1234]

58. My family's not thaaaat bad, guess maybe there are just some

people that you cant deal with. I don't get people who side with the rich even though they're poor. Doesn't make sense to me.

[Raydawg1234]

56. Delete please(duplicate)