Did NSA use Sun Microsystems to track massive surveillance data?

[DesEtoiles]

They had to use someone, right? If they are tracking massive amounts of data, possible all international calls, there must be some way to organize the info or its useless.

Has SUN done any big database projects for the US Government lately?

[bpilgrim]

1. imagine google run by the feds...

or just cooperating with them... and then imagine the rest of corp america

:scared:

peace

[cascadiance]

15. They may have already at one point...

I noticed one thing that seemed rather odd at one time that wasn't clear if it was a coincidence or something deeper.

I recall tracking Sibel Edmonds stories through google all of the last couple of years. For a while before the AIPAC and Larry Franklin spy story broke, she had stories about her on about every day or at least every other day. Then the day after this story broke there was complete "silence" through google searches on any article about Sibel Edmonds for a few weeks after that. It seemed odd to me at the time, since at that time, these two stories didn't seem to have any relevance to each other, though some at the time were speculating if the country that Sibel was protecting was Israel or not, which is why I noticed it then.

Then in recent interviews with folks like Chris Deliso and Scott Horton (who just got fired this weekend on RBN BTW), Sibel Edmonds states emphatically that these stories are ALL tied together most definitely. I wonder now if Google didn't get a phone call from someone in the executive branch to "ice" any related information coming out those coming weeks, in case someone had "the goods" on Franklin and they wanted some way to keep a lid on it before it exploded across the net. Of course they've managed to keep all of this stuff covered up anyway, but the coincidence seemed interesting to me. Perhaps if someone knew of any online articles on Sibel Edmonds in the week or two following the Larry Franklin story going public, that should have been spidered by Google, note it here. Might serve to further speculation that this might have been part of the conspiracy.

Like you note, if Google were "reigned in" as part of this conspiracy to censor certain sites that were putting out "sensitive" news, that would be scarey news indeed, especially since not only are they the nerve center for many of us trying to track indy news on the web, but they also control what used to be DejaNews, which is the primary site that most people track new and old posting to usenet through too.

[bpilgrim]

16. i would be surprised if they hadn't

and i have had that same feeling in regards to images i was looking for (torture & war related) that seemed to be excluded from their searches. it was just a hunch but it seemed a bit suspicious that i was having so much trouble finding them on google but not other sites.

but it's not just censorship it is the ability to track and spy on folks behavior via google. they have massive amounts of data on what people search on and where they visit.

we need to know what companies are participating in the wholesale warrantless spying on americans.

peace

[cascadiance]

17. I noticed image censoring too...

It appears to be they "time" some censorships to be a little more under the radar I guess. But I recall trying to find an image through google to post on the controversy they had with "What A Girl Wants" movie DVD cover, which got digitally altered by the releasing studio to make it more "politically correct". At the time, going through Google, it was nearly impossible to find the "uncensored" version. I think I wound up going through Yahoo instead to find one. Now Google returns more of the uncensored image than the censored (and released) image:

Uncensored version:



Censored (and released) version:



Yup! This world is getting manipulated in front of our faces every day! And it's getting harder and harder to see the roots of what they are doing now in those efforts.

[spindrifter]

2. So we know that

private companies -- telecom -- principally -- were/are storing data and handing it over to the feds--just what was the method to the madness? Did they provide their own people (govt contracts) to help get the stuff analyzed? Did the feds put in their own people to do the harvesting?

The other curiouser part is the internet aspect. Think of all those ISP's. How did the govt. access all the stuff--like at the end of the day a giant run looking for key words?

What a movie this is going to make.

[madeline_con]

3. Harris got some goodies...

Here's a start.....

Contractors Spy Dollars In NSA Outsourcing

By Nick Wakeman, Staff Writer

Three leading systems integrators have begun selecting partners as they gear up for a $5 billion National Security Agency contract to outsource its basic computer and telecommunications operations.

While a request for proposals still is several months away, teams of contractors are being led by AT&T Corp. of Basking Ridge, N.J., Computer Sciences Corp. of El Segundo, Calif., and OAO Corp. of Greenbelt, Md., industry sources said.

The contract is expected to be awarded in spring 2001 and could be worth $5 billion over 10 years. Called Groundbreaker, the contract would move 4,000 to 5,000 information technology workers from the government to the private sector.

NSA is looking to outsource distributed computing, enterprise and security management, networks and telephony, according to a statement by Air Force Lt. Gen. Michael Hayden, NSA director. Outsourcing will allow the spy agency to modernize and improve its IT infrastructure and shift money to its core intelligence functions, he said.

http://www.washingtontechnology.com/news/15_6/cover/1477-1.html

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Harris Corporation Awarded Potential $23 Million Contract by NSA For SecNet 11 Plus Secure Wireless LAN Product

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MELBOURNE, Florida, July 1, 2004 – Harris Corporation (NYSE:HRS) today announced that it has been awarded a five-year, potential $23 million Indefinite Delivery Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) contract to supply its SecNet 11® Plus Secure Wireless Local Area Network (SWLAN) products to the National Security Agency (NSA). SecNet 11 Plus is the only NSA-certified PC card that delivers secure data, video and voice over IP (VoIP) at the secret level over a wireless network.

"This is a very important contract for Harris in that it expands the opportunities for SecNet 11 sales to U.S. domestic agencies and also opens the door to foreign military sales," said Russ Haney, president, National Programs business unit, Harris Government Communications Systems Division (GCSD). "We are very pleased that the NSA has selected SecNet 11 Plus to supply true Type 1, secure wireless communications for a wide range of tactical and enterprise applications."

http://www.harris.com/view_pressrelease.asp?act=lookup&pr_id=1397

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Homeland Security

Assured Communications That Protect the American People and Ensure the Security of Our Nation

Harris has been a key contributor to nationally important programs for more than half a century. Our integrated communications, information processing, and network systems provide the U.S. military, intelligence community, and other national, state, and local government agencies with assured connectivity and information dominance regardless of the specific mission.

Harris: Uniquely Positioned to Support the Mission Elements of Homeland Security

This half-century of success in serving the needs of a broad range of agencies has positioned Harris well to address each of the critical Mission Elements of Homeland Security that work together to create comprehensive, integrated system solutions to safeguard America and its people.


http://www.govcomm.harris.com/solutions/marketindex/market.asp?source=market&market_id=90

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Harris Corporation Awarded Potential $77 Million Integration Contract by the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA)


MELBOURNE, Florida, March 9, 2005 – Harris Corporation (NYSE:HRS), a leading integrator of complex communications and information processing systems for U.S. government agencies, today announced that it has been awarded a three-year contract with a potential value of $77 million to develop and deploy a single user interface in support of National Security Agency (NSA) analysts. Harris is leading a team composed of Northrop Grumman Corporation, Applied Minds, Inc. (AMI), Dynamics Research Corporation (DRC), and Vision Systems & Technology, Inc. (VSTI).

http://www.harris.com/view_pressrelease.asp?act=lookup&pr_id=1536





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August 13, 2001; Vol. 20 No. 23

At NSA, mum’s the word on Groundbreaker’s details

By Dawn S. Onley
GCN Staff

The National Security Agency’s award of a 10-year contract potentially worth more than $2 billion to Computer Sciences Corp. for management of non-mission-critical systems ended a bidding period that lasted more than a year.

But uncertainty remains about many aspects of the program, known as Project Groundbreaker, such as the fate of some NSA workers and how information on the program will be provided to the public.

Under the contract, control of NSA’s telephony, distributed computing, enterprise management and networks shifts from agency employees to the CSC team. CSC will manage the agency’s desktop PC operations, general-purpose processing, e-mail, information technology support, telecommunications, and enterprise and security management.

http://www.gcn.com/20_23/news/16809-1.html

[DesEtoiles]

4. wow

[shraby]

6. You might know it...Harris is based in Florida.

Tell me that's not a coincidence.

[Triana]

5. I think Lockheed-Martin also got a piece of that pie....

...welcome to the plutocracy/military-industrial complex. Or maybe it was Oracle. Can't remember now. It's worth some research though. Harris was one, but there are others.

[Kralizec]

7. I've heard rumors that the NSA

has so much info on Americans that they can't even process it, if they wanted to.

My theory is the reason that Bushie didn't go through FISA is because he was doing blanket surveillance on American citizens of ALL backgrounds.

[bpilgrim]

9. thats what i'm thinking, too

and it also provides cover to targeting individuals or groups like their political opposition (dems) since they are tapping 'EVERYONE'

peace

[951-Riverside]

10. I disagree

He was targeting SELECT Americans they are only claiming it was actually millions it divert attention away from what he was actually doing.

[Kralizec]

14. Perhaps. (nt)

[kaygore]

12. Some information on Carnivore

http://www.epic.org/privacy/carnivore/foia_documents.html

http://rwor.org/a/v22/1070-79/1070/carnivore.htm

http://p2pnet.net/story/3571

http://www.computeruser.com/news/00/07/15/news7.html

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/carnivore.htm

[lvx35]

13. Bingo

I have it from a few of places that a huge sweep occurred after 9/11, and they zoomed in on anything and everything interesting. I don't really know why, but I wondered at the time if they really knew who did 9/11.

[babylonsister]

8. Sounds like a logical question, so I also wonder. nt

[kaygore]

11. They use a program that was housed at University of New Orleans

I am not sure if the New Orleans server spy farm was Carnivore or if Carnivore is a method/project of digital spying separate from the digital spying that the government housed at University of New Orleans.

Also, since the destruction of parts of New Orleans, I am not sure if that project survived there or if it was moved elsewhere. Typically, large projects such as this are mirrored elsewhere (usually at a server farm in the Phoenix area as that is the most stable weather wise and less prone to disasters such as earthquakes, tidal waves, hurricanes, tornadoes, etc.)

[jmowreader]

18. I'm thinking IBM or SGI

Sun maybe, but you're definitely looking at major iron to handle this much data.