Did Bush support McCain's Torture Bill so that McCain would support Bush

[LittleClarkie]

today? The two things are just so close together, you know? McCain in Bush's office earlier in the week so Bush could support him, then back in Bush's office today to support Bush on the war?

And if the Torture Bill says that we can't torture folks in our custody, will that just mean that we will just make sure that those we want tortured and interrogated are NOT in our custody?

Random thoughts...

[rhett o rick]

1. I think Bush (and Cabal) will just re-define what torture is.

Alberto is good at that. Haven't seen you for a while LittleClarkie. I missed our friendly discussions.

[Faygo Kid]

2. Bush will ignore it. He did it for politics, not McCain.

He went along with it because his first (ever) veto could not be on an anti-torture bill. Don't be surprised if this is revisited after 2006, and the GOP steals another election, thanks to a flaccid media, and a clueless Democratic Party.

[madrchsod]

5. i agree- he will ignore the law

just like he did before--

[madrchsod]

3. bush didn`t support the bill

the whitehouse did everything it could to stop it. then they lost and said--oh we were for it all along--anyone who buys that shit is a true believer

[HysteryDiagnosis]

4. Nope.... he supported it so that McCain

won't torture him if he wins in 2008.

[NNN0LHI]

6. What are the penalties for torturing in McCain's Torture Bill?

I can't find any. Are there any penalties for torturing in this bill?

Don

[TomInTib]

7. McCain got screwed on "his" torure bill. On close reading torture

is defensible if a "reasonable" person could have concluding they (the ones doing the torturing) were following a lawful order. The thing might as well have been written by Cheney.

The review of "is it or is it not" torture is basically left up to whatever party is wondering if what they did was torture or not.

I am left to wonder just WHAT these guys have on McCain. Sometimes I think that he might have sung to the Vietnamese.

[TomInTib]

8. McCain got screwed on "his" torure bill. On close reading torture

is defensible if a "reasonable" person could have concluding they (the ones doing the torturing) were following a lawful order. The thing might as well have been written by Cheney.

The review of "is it or is it not" torture is basically left up to whatever party is wondering if what they did was torture or not.

I am left to wonder just WHAT these guys have on McCain. Sometimes I think that he might have sung to the Vietnamese.

[AnnInLa]

9. McCain is playing us...and America......read this

http://www.mydd.com/story/2005/11/19/122342/55

Liberals love John McCain. Whether it was the torture amendment or him as a dream VP, McCain has a romantic bipartisan sheen that attracts Democrats. For instance, back in May, 66% of liberals had a favorable impression of McCain, which was at the time higher than Howard Dean. Part of this is because McCain is not nearly as crazy as Bush, and part of it is bills like McCain-Feingold that showed a real commitment to reform of something, even if he isn't actually competent enough to pull it off.

snip

Liberals shouldn't fall for it. John McCain is a corrupt Republican, just like Bush. He doesn't play to the base, preferring instead a 'good government' bipartisan strategy, but he's corrupt, mean-spirited, and puts his ambition above everything else. As Ian pointed out, McCain voted to strip habeas corpus rights in a messy vicious bill. Ian goes on:

Can't torture them, but as long as DOD rules are followed we can lock 'em up forever with no civilian judicial review. And who determines DOD rules? Rumsfeld.

Brilliant. Just Brilliant.

McCain is playing people. He voted for the most fundamental violation of rights possible. If you don't have habeas corpus, you have nothing. "We must not torture them once we throw them in our gulags." Anyone who takes him as a hero because he proposes an amendment that bans torture, while voting against habeas corpus for those prisoners at the same time, is simply a sucker who just got played.

Ian is right. Liberals who like McCain are being played - go through his FEC reports and you'll find a very similar set of business interest donations to the standard Republican. And lest we forget, John McCain has a sordid history of corruption for business interests.

((for that sordid history of corruption, click on the link http://www.mydd.com/story/2005/11/19/122342/55 ))

[LittleClarkie]

10. I'm kicking this because yours is an important post

with much important info.

[TankLV]

11. No - he LOST his CREDIBILITY big time and was FORCED to change

his "support" so now he LIES yet again to make it sound like he was supporting this all along when in fact he was doing everything he could to make sure this didn't pass.