My fellow Atheists can be such idiots sometimes...

[progdonkey]

From Tucker Carlson's show about a week ago:

"A group of atheists at the University of Texas in San Antonio is trying to tempt college kids into trading their Bibles for pornography.

It's part of a program called Smut for Smut sponsored by the student organization called Atheist Agenda."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10349028/

I understand their argument that if you bring in the rape- and incest-filled Bible, you'll get some porn in return, but what your average person takes from it is "bring in your sacred holy book, and we'll give you some good gangbang action to beat off to."

This is so fucking stupid. Trade the Bible for Gould, Dawkins, Ingersoll, Paine, etc., not for fucking porn, you stupid fucks.

While I'm trying to convince ignorant fundies that atheism and agnosticism do not imply in any way amorality, these idiots are handing out hardcore porn and making sure everyone knows they're atheists.

PLEASE tell me this is some sort of joke by Fundies!

:mad:

[applegrove]

1. Those aren't atheists. Those are narcissists.

[electropop]

3. Sheesh, how embarassing.

So many people seem to automatically assume that "atheism" is a synonym for "amorality." We pride ourselves on preferring to use our minds over blind gullibility. Then this.

:blush:

[applegrove]

6. I think the problem is dumb pride. Looks bad on anyone. Religious,

agnostic, atheist, animistic.

[Ladyhawk]

15. That's a good point. I'm so angry with fundy religionists that it's

sometimes hard to temper that anger with reason. I'm trying. :(

Reason's Greetings, everyone. :hi: And Merry Christmas, too.

[applegrove]

17. I'm saying "Peace on Earth, and goodwill to all men" these holidays.

Even if it is sexist. It harkens back to a time when the holidays were not about war & power. :hi:

And it is very hard not to be caught up in the dance of selfishness when the nefarious rock your world and attack it. We must try every day to remain sane and empathetic and adult - and never stare too long into the eyes of the neocon machine. They'll dance you outside of yourself if given half a chance. You disengage and live your own life according to your own values. Very hard not to be caught up. I agree.

[StClone]

20. Amorality because we are Atheism

is one of the biggest falsehoods going. Christians have the corner on it? Crusades anyone? Inquisition? Salem? I love Religion for it's rituals, socialization and good intent as rules to live by. But for having a corner on morality they can't make the case.

[electropop]

26. Not to mention the PedoPriests

Oops, I just did.

[StClone]

31. The most damaging of all

I am convinced that the Pedo scandal is what brought the Catholics to their knees and vulnerable to Rove's Fundy manipulation. The once proud followers of Liberal Christ were shaken and malleable. Searching for reasons to regain normalcy in a world that scorned and humiliated them for a scandal within their ranks, they were sitting ducks to go Conservative when convinced the Liberals were the reason Pedophiles were rampant in the Church.

[patrice]

13. bingo!

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

2. I agree. Just dumb.

Funny, but dumb.

[SmokingJacket]

4. Just a bunch of attention-seeking kids.

Copies of Scientific American would be appropriate, indeed.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

5. Shock value.

You really can't blame fundies for running with this one. It is just too perfect.

[JuniorPlankton]

7. Agreed, probably not a good idea

If it is real (which is not obvious), it could have resulted from their thinking that no religious nut will want to read. Therefore, no Darwin, Russell, etc.

[ComerPerro]

8. Here's what I would have done

I would have taken Bibles and would have exchanged them to the students for copies of Bill OhReallys erotic novel and Lynne Cheney's lesbian erotica...

[Loonman]

9. Anti-Christians, not athiests

Atheists don't care, one way or the other.

[Caution]

10. Absolutely ridiculous.

How stupid can you get? While I enjoy a good laugh at the expense of the bible as much as the next guy I also think that if we as atheists expect to be respected we should also respect the beliefs of others regardless of whether or not we find them silly.

[Ezlivin]

11. How do we KNOW that these are atheists?

Who labeled them as such?

Did they ask to be called this?

What did they do in the past that would warrant such a label?

This doesn't pass the smell test, particularly considering that it came from Tucker Carlson.

[progressivebydesign]

29. I'm sensing a Parlock moment with that group. n/t

[Kralizec]

36. EXACTLY the point I was going to make. This is nothing more than

another attack on non-religious people.

[Justitia]

12. My Alma Mater - ha! UTSA is soooo non-controversial!

It's a commuter business university. Very low-key, so this is hilarious in that context.

While it may seem silly or dumb to some, his arguments are actually pretty well-reasoned.

I still know plenty of people at UTSA, none had even heard about this. This is a college of working business people. Unless there were naked protests every hour in the HB bldg, most students will probably not even notice this - possibly not even then.

Don't make too much of this. Nice media bump for my old school though :-)

[PATRICK]

14. The interview is interesting and Carlson is

stupidly wrong about the cold dispassionate objectivity of 'right and wrong" decided by someone greater(Rove?). The student has a more mature notion of what morality is and thus sadly is all alone in this interview. I can see where the fodder mill will take this through the pulpit, pulp pundit machine but who cares? This is an entirely moral pursuit and entirely innocent in that college short of way.

Unlike a keg party it can only do the unbeliever and the believer some good without damaging brain cells.

[Dhalgren]

16. The only thing I have to say about this is that it doesn't make any

difference what an atheist does or does not do, fundie Christians will hate him/her and want his/her death, regardless. You can not improve the image of an atheist in the eyes of a fundamentalist Christian - period. Anyone who thinks that atheists are immoral because of their atheism, is a lost cause, anyway; and those who will view an individual based upon that individual's actions will not lump all atheists together with those enterprising kids from Texas...

[trotsky]

18. Gets people talking, doesn't it?

Got some facetime on a "major" national TV show.

And did anyone read the exchange?

[sybylla]

23. Yep, seemed a rather harmless for a publicity stunt

Of course, Tucker Carlson kept trying to make so much more out of it because obviously he lusts after Bill OReally's job.

[NoPasaran]

19. I can't help but be a little suspicious

of a group calling itself "Atheist Agenda" pulling such a boneheaded stunt.

[RandomKoolzip]

21. I know. This was a stupid idea.

I hate these arrogant shits giving Atheism a bad name. If they're not trying to rename themselves "brights" and acting superior, they're enacting stunts guaranteed to result in a backlash.

I prefer to carry my Atheism the way Jesus told his followers to carry their belief: quietly, unobstusively. It's too bad neither group knows the value of humility these days.

[BiggJawn]

22. I would trade 'em for copies of "Skeptic" or "Skeptical Inquirer"

If they have bi-Bulls they probably already have more stuff to wank-off to than you can shake a ???at... :)

[porphyrian]

24. You watch Carlson, but call them idiots?

At least they weren't supporting an asshole.

[progdonkey]

25. linked from front page of MSNBC.com, not from original broadcast

That's why it's from a week-old episode.

[the_real_38]

27. The kid seemed pretty rational.

I liked what he said about morality and law being derived from what is good for society, and not what is 'right or wrong'. That's true. I think that if you live in a society where you have to convince people that killing others is 'wrong because God said so', you're in a lot of trouble. You don't want people killing other people because then you'd have chaos, and no security whatsoever. It's a collective intellectual decision, not a moral one.

It also seems like they're having fun with it.

[progressivebydesign]

28. Parlockian. Most of the time those groups are actually rightwingers.

I've noticed that there are more and more outrageously stupid things like this from groups hastily assembled perporting to be anything from athiests, to liberals, etc. I suspect many of those are actually right wingers... doing a Parlock.

[progdonkey]

30. I hope so...

Maybe if we have some DUers down there, they can figure out if these guys are legitimate idiots or RW frauds.

[muriel_volestrangler]

32. It is possible to be atheist and right wing

Do you mean you suspect these people are Christians perporting to be atheists?

[asthmaticeog]

33. It's fucking college kids.

Why be amazed when college kids do something incredibly stupid?

[incapsulated]

34. They're kids...

I'll bet you can find equally stupid/offensive stories and plenty more of them about fundie collage groups antics.

Consider the source of this story.

[JVS]

35. Trade doctrine for doctrine? No dice! Perhaps the idea is to trade...

doctrine for pleasure.