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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 02:53 PM
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Weird synergy between East and Left Coast Timeses
LA: Speech Puts President in Step With His Generals

Bush Is Now in Step With His Generals
By Tyler Marshall and Mark Mazzetti, Times Staff Writers


WASHINGTON — Much of the rhetoric was familiar. But in his U.S. Naval Academy speech Wednesday, President Bush seemed to accept the hard realities both on the ground in Iraq and politically in the United States by pledging a smaller American force.

After months of a lingering disconnect between the White House and senior military commanders, Bush's comments at the academy in Annapolis, Md., seemed to bring him into line not just with America's military but with much of his administration.

Repeatedly, military commanders have made the case that only a drawdown of U.S. troops would make Iraqi forces take control of their nation's security.

On Wednesday, Bush finally seemed to buy into the argument. The revised mission would reduce the exposure of U.S. troops to enemy attack and the potential for U.S. casualties....



NY: For Once, President and His Generals See the Same War

For Once, President and His Generals See the Same War
By JOHN F. BURNS and DEXTER FILKINS
BAGHDAD, Iraq, Nov. 30 - For anyone who has spent time in the field with American officers here, President Bush's speech on Wednesday was a watershed: for the first time in the two years since the conflict here turned brutal, the war Mr. Bush described sounded much like the one his generals grapple with every day.

The president acknowledged problems that have hobbled the American enterprise since the 2003 invasion: An American effort to build up Iraqi forces that went through a top-to-bottom makeover after early deployments of Iraqi troops saw them "running from the fight." Iraqi units that are "still uneven," despite the new American effort to train and equip them that has cost more than $10 billion. A Sunni Arab community that remains largely unyielding, despite months of efforts by Americans seeking to draw them back into the corridors of power.

Mr. Bush closed with a vow to "settle for nothing less than complete victory," without saying how that squared with the plan to hand over the main burden of the war to the newly trained Iraqi troops who, American field commanders say, have done well in some recent battles but much less impressively in others. Nor did the president say how his rejection of "artificial timetables" would be sustained politically if the plan for American troops to step back decisively in 2006, and for Iraqi units to step forward, falters in the face of the unrelenting insurgency.

But for all that, Mr. Bush, in some passages of his speech, came much closer than he has before to matching the hard-nosed assessments of the war that have long been made by American commanders here, at least among themselves. While maintaining a stoic confidence in public, many of these commanders, over the past 18 months, have pressed behind the scenes for the Pentagon to move toward a more realistic appraisal of the war than has been common among major administration figures in Washington....

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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 02:56 PM
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1. Time was when both NYT and LAT would have been more critical
Now they both tend more frequently to parrot the WH line.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 03:04 PM
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3. They have long shilled for GOP WH's. LAT and NYT worked together to
discredit the Pulitzer Prize worthy articles by Gary Webb that exposed the CIA involvement in drugrunning.

NYT and LAT ganged up on Webb and the one senator working to expose the story further, John Kerry. Webb's career was destroyed. We all know how they treated Kerry.

Only years later did CIA documents come out that proved Kerry and Webb were the ones telling the truth.

The media barely acknowledged this.

Webb was one of those counting on Kerry taking office and opening up all the books.
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NorCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 02:57 PM
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2. WTF indeed
nothing in his speech made me feel as if he is any more realistic in his assessments than before! But hey, if you're republican, and you're in the news business, you have to make something up. They have quotas to fill!
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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 03:27 PM
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4. Staying the course with a cut and run strategery
The way I heard it yesterday, Bush's cowboy rhetoric about total VICTORY now contains a subtle loophole that allows his vainglorious invasion campaign to declare victory while cutting and running at the same time.

That loophole is the comment he made that he'll listen to "his commanders" rather than pursue his policy of total victory through political schemes. To me, this translate as a probable pullout over the next year or so -- recommended by his commanders, consequent to a glowing report on the success of the mission, followed by a total media blackout on conditions in Iraq. (Probably going to need a whole lineup of lost, kidnapped, or run-away blonds to pull it off properly though.)

This way he can still ride his hobby horse into the sunset, imagining his claim to victory at the say-so of his commanders is legit in the eyes of the world.

No personal responsibility here for Dimson. His commanders will say he won -- so it'll be really really real and not political. So no one will be able to call him a big fat failure...

Zzzz...OK.

That's what this so-called "realistic alignment" is all about here I think. And I do believe he's capable of trying something this transparent.

:crazy:





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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 04:19 PM
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5. Well said!
:toast:

That's exactly what seems to be going on here. :grr:
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