BBV: blackboxvoting.com appears to have been yanked--again

[punpirate]

Would like some confirmation from David Allen, but when I checked to make sure the link was working before sending it to someone, the TotalChoice suspended page notice comes up.

David--what's their complaint this time?

Cheers.

[Booberdawg]

1. BlackBoxVoting.org is working

I think blackboxvoting.com has been down for quite some time, hasn't it?

[punpirate]

2. Nope....

David had the mess with SpamCop and TotalChoice straightened out ten days ago, then the site was hacked last weekend, but I think he had it up in about a day. Yesterday morning, he posted here that he had just put up Chapter Eight of the book, so I think it's been running.

Hope I'm wrong, but this looks like a new problem.

Cheers.

[BevHarris]

20. No. It is .org that is down now and .com is down AGAIN

And I haven't been able to reach David. Unbelievable.

[frietag]

26. Believable

David is trying to reach you, but your line is busy.

[creativelcro]

28. CHAPTER 9

ROCKS!!!
-C

[DUreader]

3. They need a mirror site or two, however that is done.

This is happening too often

[punpirate]

4. My understanding was that there was need for...

... one for the original bbv.org (the one with the forum), but that hasn't happened yet.

Think they're working on some mirrors, but that may not be in place yet.

Not sure. You're certainly right, though--it is happening too often.

Cheers.

[Vitruvius]

5. The VRWC took them down again during the CA recall election.

It's easy to guess why.

[Kelvin Mace]

6. Thanks for the heads up

Looks like we were taken down at 6:00 AM EST.

Guess they didn't like the last two chapters.

I'm on it, will post as I have time.

David

[punpirate]

9. Yer welcome....

Just sorry it wasn't just a simple glitch.

There are some determined little buggers out there, aren't there?

Cheers.

[Kelvin Mace]

7. Have a query in

but it usually takes them a few hours to answer.

Two possibilities:

1) Bogus spam compaint.
2) Diebold.

Either way, start passing around the chapters for people to post.

David

[alfredo]

39. the first nine chapters for you guys

Note the name change on the files. I had to change them due to a glitch with the .Mac websites. I have contacted them. Chapter 1 would not work without additional text. ???

http://homepage.mac.com/alfredo_tomato/BlackBox_Voting/FileSharing9.html




To ensure that the book gets out, IM us helpers to set up e-mailing the chapters as completed.

[Kelvin Mace]

52. Alfredo, I'm a bit slow today

(and it's been a *long* day so far).

I not sure of what you are saying. PM me and I'll send my phone number if need be.

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
http://www.plan9.org

[alfredo]

53. sorry, I'm a little slow today too.

Seed the new chapters, by e-mail, to people who are posting the chapters. That way there will always be access to the book.

[Kelvin Mace]

8. Email is down

as is FTP. sounds like a bogus spam compliant or a spineless ISP.

David

[0007]

10. No answer from 'em

since late last night.

What's up?

[althecat]

11. Unbelievable!!!!!! The Book Is all here for people to post.... (KICK THIS)

How many times!!!! Unbelieveable....

Keep this thread kicked. And as David says there is a mission for those who wish to help the cause....

Evil DUers (esp. Melinda and GNBC who did a fantastic job last time round this particular bush) your mission should you choose to accept it is to post the recent chapters seven eight and nine on indymedia.org sites....

Go to.... http://www.indymedia.org

Click on any of the sites listed on the left hand side and figure out how to publish to them.... (is pretty obvious)

First you will need the material which can be gotted here

http://scoop.co.nz/mason/features/?s=usacoup

You will probably need to copy the PDFs to your machine first (click on the little floppy on the top left of the acrobat tool bar to do this). Then post a short explanation mentioning perhaps that this is the third time a blackboxvoting site has been taken down for no good reason...

And I think the book is also somewhere on Bev's site.

http://www.talion.com/

Also... we have a partial mirror of the main site up here...

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mirror/www.blackboxvoting.com/

If everytime they pull this stunt it ends up spreading the BBV message even wider than if they didn't bother it will perhaps eventually dawn inside the tiny moronic minds of the perps that they are wasting their time...

Al

[Andy_Stephenson]

13. GBnC Reporting for Duty

Arizona Indy Media has 8 and 9. Now I am working on the rest.

Jeez...will these people ever learn?

[Andy_Stephenson]

14. Arizona, Atlanta and

Arkansas all uploaded and waiting for download.

[punpirate]

15. Great work and quick, too.... n/t

[Andy_Stephenson]

17. Baltimore Boston and

Buffalo...have the chapters now.

[Andy_Stephenson]

18. Chicago, Cleveland and

Central Florida.

On line with 8 and 9

[Junkdrawer]

19. Kick This?

Does this work?
:kick:

[BevHarris]

23. They do this each time a NEW chapter goes up

And most of the hits, therefore, never get to BlackBoxVoting.com to see the other material there.

It usually manages to delay us, and we have more chapters going up shortly. Not this time. I'm going into my coccoon anyway to get Chapter 10 and 11 up as soon as we can. It they have to go to straight alternative routes, so be it.

Of course, that cuts into our activism and keeps people from seeing the other stuff at blackboxvoting.com.

[alfredo]

42. If you have a list of who is posting the chapters,

maybe you should e-mail (BCC) the next chapter directly to them before they are posted on your site.


The FBI should look into this.

this site is up and running!
http://www.talion.com/blackboxvoting.org.htm

[althecat]

12. Posting chapters 7 8 and 9 on Indymedia is doubly worthwhile because...

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=12180

As this article shows the EFF and Indymedia have already been drawn into the fray. A battle royale is now brewing over the moronic Whackamole & Liebold tactics.... getting the Indymedia world as a whole turned onto all this would be one giant step towards developing a mass activist movement on this issue...

Diebold's idiotic tactics is making this easy. All we need is a few handy web surfers...

it is time to UNLEASH THE MIGHTY POWER OF PARALLELL SURFING...

[nostamj]

16. Bev, David............

I sent TIFFs of my BBV slogan ideas from yesterday's thread to the [email protected] email addy last night.

if you want me to resend to a different address, please let me know!

[ParanoidPat]

21. I think we need an FTP arrangement......

....for transferring multiple LARGE files. Most e-mail accounts can't handle more than about 10 megs of storage. If a bunch of people all sent large image files last night we might have maxed out the account and continued attempts to send the images could have been perceived as an attack by the hosting service. Just a guess. :shrug:

[BevHarris]

22. The files are also available by hitting the .org site and

waiting for the reroute.

it reroutes to: http://www.talion.com/blackboxvoting.org.htm

[frietag]

24. update on BBV.com site

David Allen's assistant here. David is trying to run down what's happening with the site, but he doesn't have answers yet. He is out of the office on a non-BBV emergency, but he is calling in to get updates. We'll hopefully have things fixed soon.

[Spazito]

25. Kick

*

[creativelcro]

27. bbv.com gets redirected to...

http://server14.totalchoicehosting.com/suspended.page/


Suspended ? -C

[tom_paine]

29. kick

Bev and the rest must be geting close.

Stay out of small airplanes, guys...

[hang a left]

30. kick those dirty rotten *beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeps*

[DWright]

31. Bev... BIG breaking news!

EFF Defends Right to Publish Links to Electronic Voting Memos

http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=03/10/16/3842070

San Francisco - Defending the right to link to controversial information about flaws in electronic voting systems, EFF announced today it will defend an Internet Service Provider (ISP) and a news website publisher against claims of indirect copyright infringement from the electronic voting machines' manufacturer.

On October 10, 2003, electronic voting company Diebold, Inc., sent a cease-and-desist letter to the nonprofit Online Policy Group (OPG) ISP demanding that OPG remove a page of links published on an Independent Media Center (IndyMedia) website located on a computer server hosted by OPG.

Diebold sent out dozens of similar notices to ISPs hosting IndyMedia and other websites linking to or publishing copies of Diebold internal memos. OPG is the only ISP so far to resist the takedown demand from Diebold.

"What topic could be more important to our democracy than discussions about the mechanics and legitimacy of electronic voting systems now being introduced nationwide?" said EFF Staff Attorney Wendy Seltzer. "EFF won't stand by as corporations like Diebold chill important online debate by churning out legal notices to ISPs that usually just take down legitimate content rather than face the legal risk."

<snip>

[creativelcro]

32. FINALLY...

It had to happen at some point!! Great news... -C

[BevHarris]

34. EFF turned down helping BBV -- I just called and asked them again

Now we're getting somewhere. We will get answers. The situation with both .org and .com is intolerable.

[creativelcro]

35. what ?? I don't get it....

Why wouldn't they help BBV ? Because they are not hosting it ? Something bizarre going on... -C

[BevHarris]

36. The answer was that the ISP for BBV was not cooperative

and the ISP for Indymedia is willing to fight.

[BevHarris]

37. ANSWERS: This is another bogus SPAM complaint

There are three possibilities:

1) I sent letters to the 425 opt-in volunteers for black box activism. The letters included those who have opted in previously, at both the .com and .org sites. Those of you who received it know that the first sentence was:

"I’m not a big e-mailer and don’t bombard you with stuff, but please – if you do not want to receive updates on black box activism, let me know so I can make sure not to annoy you."

And the last sentence was "I’m only sending to people who have indicated they want this stuff. Hit reply and type remove anywhere to eliminate new messages. "

I have kept all the opt-in letters. This, to me, is just a way to waste our time and delay the next five chapters of the book.

If we had a mole opt in, we will find this person. I have spoken about this situation with attorneys now, and from what I understand, other activism groups, including MoveOn, have been targeted with exactly the same kind of attack.

2) This could be due to the hacker attack last weekend, where the hacker activated a newsletter function at the site and sent a harassment letter.

3) It could be, like the first time, a complete bogus spam sent by someone we have nothing to do with at all.

There is no doubt that Black Box Voting is being targeted for harassment.

Bev

[phoebe]

40. Heard you on "Uprising" with Sonali this a.m.

glad you got a "dig" in at the EFF guy on there with you - the memos should be coming up at indybay.org this afternoon - is that information correct?

[BevHarris]

41. Well, I'm delighted at what they're doing -- what galled me was

when EFF starts complimenting me for my patriotism yadda yadda yadda and then complimenting themselves for taking this case on -- I just had to say, on the air, "then why did you tell me you had no time to help Black Box Voting"

They were quite emphatic and said they had no time for BBV -- the tone was a little different after today. But there's a little more below the surface on this.

[lysergik]

44. Sad.

If anything this is why the EFF exists, to not lend a hand is saddening.

[Eloriel]

93. Bev, I'm confused

First, let me say I'm stunned and really sorry you're having these appalling problems, and I hope you get to the bottom of them and fast. It IS intolerable. Totally. And real bad for the activist effort too.

What I'm confused about is you and EFF. When BBV.org was first pulled because of the DMCA garbage, you refused to work with EFF. I don't blame you for not wanting to move BBV.org to Bartcop (bleccch), but you could've signed up with OPG as an alternative (tho not the commercial BBV site). IIRC you had problems with their rather ordinary and standard TOS: http://onlinepolicy.org/policy/tos.shtml

Further, you bashed EFF rather soundly right here at DU, and not just once. You accused them, among other things, of "working for the other side" (or similar language). I have to say that had I been someone representing EFF I'd have told you we were "too busy" to be able to help you too -- especially since it seemed you went out of your way to go crosswise to everything they needed you to do in ORDER to help you.

Even now you harbor misgivings about the organization and its agenda, apparently, and are quite vocal about those misgivings here in public. It's possible your misgivings are warranted -- but from my perspective, it's more probable they're not. I believe, and have always believed (and am now sorry I didn't speak up at the time) that you misinterpreted EFF at the time in some major ways.

It does seems a little over the top for you to continue to try to bash them, even while you're in the process of asking for their help. You seem to want to dictate terms to THEM in the process. I mean, they don't exactly OWE you the help you seek, ya know? If you go out of your way to malign them in public, ignore and complain and (IMO) misrepresent their suggestions, insist upon doing things your way and insist on THEM doing things your way, I wouldn't be surprised they haven't fallen all over themselves to help you.

My suggestion to you, and you're more than free to ignore it, would be to back up a little and start afresh with EFF. I really do think you've got them pegged wrong. An apology wouldn't be out of order, either.

Of course, I suppose it's possible they really are the malefic organization you think they are.

Eloriel

[BevHarris]

98. When the time is right, everything will out.

Everything. And you are misstating things, of course.

It will out.

[lysergik]

46. argh.

I'm trying to think of a way to get this online and talking to some people so we can get BBV out from the shadow of this stupid, moronic webhosting.

[bitchkitty]

79. Bev - do you have

a double opt-in list? I used to have a lot of trouble with people subscribing, then denying that they had subscribed. Evidently someone had been playing fast and loose with their email. Since I installed a double opt-in list I haven't had any more problems.

[JohnGideon]

33. Kick

kick

[Andy_Stephenson]

38. I'll see you kick and raise you

2 :kick: :kick:

[Melinda]

43. Hey! Did you upload to all IndyMedia?

Need help? :)

[BevHarris]

45. Help is needed, Melinda

And thanks!

There are downloadable chapters to send to IndyMedia here:
http://www.talion.com/blackboxvoting.org.htm

and also at scoop media and alfredo has links, above, also.

Bev

[lysergik]

48. Bev, David, need a couple questions answered,

On a side note, how much bandwidth/traffic does the site use right now?

I'm working on a solution.

[BevHarris]

49. Those are questions for David

One of the problems with hosting with those we don't know well, has been this: We received many offers to host after the .org site went down. It turned out that some of them were working for the other side (and thus, had we accepted their offer, we would have been potentially giving access in a very dumb way.)

So it's a little trickier than it sounds. The best option might end up being a fundraiser so we can get what we need to become our own ISP.

[lysergik]

50. well.

I've got someone who may be willing to host it, but is concerned on the basis of lawsuit potential obviously. He has contributed to Indymedia before on protests, etc in Seattle.

If it comes down to being your own ISP, I've got just the place in Tacoma.

[Kelvin Mace]

57. I am willing

to take *full* responsibility for the content and absolve the ISP of the risk.

I just need someone who has a backbone when it comes to bogus spam complaints.

Diebold is saving money on lawyers and avoiding bad publicity with this tactic.

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
http://www.plan9.org

[Kelvin Mace]

54. Contact me with details

Via [email protected]

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
http://www.plan9.org

[Andy_Stephenson]

47. yes I do!

I posted a few this AM then went back to bed. Now I have to go to the Subway for a while so all help is appreciated.

[Kelvin Mace]

51. Back in the office, the complaint appears to be bogus spamming again

in my email:

All I can say at the moment is that your account has been suspended due to excessive spamming from the account.

Thank you for choosing Total Choice Hosting

Andy Beckett
Technical Support

Three times we have been shut down (twice for spam, once for a DoS). Always on Friday, always after we post something annoying about Diebold.

Hmmmm....

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
http://www.plan9.org

[ParanoidPat]

55. Have they supplied you with a copy of the 'spam'.....

.....with headers yet?

[lysergik]

56. Why not do this.

Go with OPG? The same ISP that hosts IndyMedia apparently and are mentioned in the press released from EFF?

OPG's main services, all provided for free, are (as of August 3, 2003):
Email list hosting (759 lists serving 74,254 subscribers in 41 domains)
Website hosting (156 websites)
Domain name registration (252 domains)
Colocation in several secure facilities (92 computers)

http://onlinepolicy.org

[BevHarris]

59. The goal at the moment is not switching ISPs

It is getting information. I need more information about EFF also, because there are discrepancies in the verbal reports I'm getting from each of the parties.

The first priority for David is to get a copy of the spam and who complained. They should have sent that BEFORE yanking the site.

My first priority is getting answers in writing from each of the parties involved in yanking my site, changing the password on my FTP, and blocking my domain name from moving. The finger pointing will end up heading in one direction, I suspect, once they are forced to put their signature (and their personal liability) behind their statements.

[lysergik]

62. It should be the goal.

The spam is an open contingency point, it could be bogus, but why wait? They'll just shut the site down again with another bogus claim. This ISP has shown no scrupples in these dealings and while waiting for them to come clean with the mysterious spam, the site is down and the word isn't getting out.

Use this time to work on finding an ISP (such as OPG) that will put a stop to the false claims and have an understanding of the matter in which is being dealt with, not some rookie webhosting company ran out of someones basement who tucks their tail in-between their legs and runs everytime they get a complaint.

As an IT professional, this behavior on their behalf is unexplainable and valuable time is being lost, time to move on.

[JohnGideon]

63. I agree with lysergik

The ISP only sees one thing. Someone is throwing the DMCA in their face and all they see is lawsuit. They don't want any evidence that nothing was done wrong. They don't care that the spam was not originated by BBV. They are spineless.

[lysergik]

64. It may not..

..be the DMCA, such as the trick Duhbold pulled, but I've never seen someone so concerned with spam that they've retroactively pulled a website and effectively locked everyone out with no contact at all.

I've worked for HUGE ISP's and even small ISP's and have never seen so much concern over a spam complaint, something is fishy here.

[BevHarris]

65. We will chose our own ISP

I get gun-shy when there is great pressure to choose a particular ISP, and I have reasons to question this -- EFF first insistently and aggressively routed me to one ISP, but said, at the same time, they wouldn't represent us. They were offended, inappropriately so, when I chose not to go with that Bartcop-related ISP. I found it strange that I was contacted no less than eight times, increasingly insistently, to switch -- yet the EFF was not interested in representing BBV under any circumstances. That doesn't smell right. Especially since someone else with ties to that site has been aggressive, angry and insistent about getting access to our documents.

Today the EFF mentioned to me they could recommend another ISP. No -- I'm not looking at them picking my ISP and then refusing to represent us, I'm looking at them representing us first, and perhaps mutually agreeing on an ISP. Sorry, but jumping suddenly to a new ISP is NOT the goal. Well actually, it is -- but it has to be someone we already know, and I have such an ISP in mind.

Finding out who is really behind these problems is a very important goal. And I do agree that the quick-trigger spam reactions are bizarre and not following normal protocol.

I will get written statements from everyone involved in the .org shutdown. The .com ISP had better come up with the information soon.

And as far as .org, which is the most egregious situation, when people's signature and liability is on the line, I'll find out what I need to know. In the mean time, no one involved gets our web site hosting that we don't personally vet out.

Understand, those who are watching this chess game, that there are other reasons people want to lay their hands on BBV's information, and other reasons people want BBV to pipe down. Those reasons have to do with the vast sums of money up for grabs in qui tam -- I'm not saying anyone is doing it, but let's not be naive.

I just need to get some information in writing about who did what each step of the way here, with signatures, and access logs to my bbv.org files, before we change horses.

As I say, right now, everyone is pointing fingers.

Bev

[0rganism]

95. Every time your sites are attacked, the assholes expose themselves

I think you may have another chapter coming out, eh? An epilogue of sorts...

[BevHarris]

97. There are now two groups that don't want the chapters out

And I encourage folks to read pages 187 and 188 of Chapter 9 very carefully. Read them so carefully you read between the lines.

http://www.talion.com/bbv_chapter-9.pdf

THE BOOK IS COMING OUT ANYWAY along with new secrets. The enemy list isn't going to get any smaller, but for every new enemy we'll gain a thousand passionate new activists.

We need your voice.

Bev

[HFishbine]

69. Yeah, really Bev,

Moving to a more reliable ISP should definitely be your goal. You've given Total Choice enough opportunity to support a customer. Move on.

[Kelvin Mace]

58. Not yet...

But think about this for a second. All they have to do is get an email account under any name, ask to receive info from Bev or me. Then file a compaint when they get it.

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
http://www.plan9.org

[BevHarris]

60. But David -- standard protocol is to send you the e-mail

Not make you sit waiting for hours to get it. And due process, especially since the last complaint was bogus, must be to notify you first, along with sending a copy of the supposed offending piece, and they MUST tell us who sent it.

By the way, the first ISP I had for .org, Tiger Tech if you want to know who NOT to refer any business at all to, refused to tell me who had complained from my opt-in list!

If that happens this time, we need to sue the ISP. We are entitled to reasonable due process and prompt replies and disclosure of both the alleged spam piece and who complained. Look, MoveOn had this problem, but they do NOT have the problem of an ISP who refuses to tell them who, from their opt-in list, complained, and it is not appropriate for them to get to see our entire opt-in list, nor can we provide them with such without violating our activists' privacy.

We need answers much faster than we are getting them.

Bev

[TrogL]

61. Incidentally, BBV made slashdot

http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/10/17/1655240&mode=thread&tid=103&tid=126&tid=99

[BevHarris]

66. Kewl. And incidentally, the details on that can be found at:

(when it's back up) http://www.blackboxvoting.com (Chapter 9)
and for now http://www.talion.com/blackboxvoting.org.htm (Chapter 9)

[GregD]

67. Check your mail Bev

Hi Bev - my friend who was a pollworker sent her notes from election day, and I have forwarded then to your yahoo mail.

On edit:
This address bounced as undeliverable: [email protected]

Where are you getting mail just now Bev?

[TrogL]

68. Do you want to see if my ISP will host you?

You really need to get offshore or off planet.

[BevHarris]

70. Question: Is an ISP on the moon, or on Mars, subject to DMCA

or SpamCops?

[creativelcro]

72. These latest events

make me think that the various Spam control companies etc, may become a way to essentially shut down controversial sites. If it just takes one unverified complaint, it is not different from the times in history when one such complaint about a neighbor would result in that person being executed.
I suspect some legislation is needed in this field... -C

[BevHarris]

82. Exactly -- just think, you have two methods without due process

you don't even get a chance to give your side of it. Complaint, justified or not, and BLAM. You're out of business.

[morgan2]

74. of course

The power of places like the DMCA and spamcops is they get the American companies that the isp on the "moon" has to go through to get to Americans to cut off their access.

[Bushfire]

71. Milwaukee & Madison Indymedia now hosting

I uploaded the files just now:

http://madison.indymedia.org/newswire/index.php

http://milwaukee.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=4170&group=webcast

[jbutsz]

73. Just emailed

Russ at TheMemoryHole.org to suggest mirroring the Chapters seeing how some people are going to extreme lengths to be sure that information doesn't get out.

-Jordan

P.S. on edit: THANK YOU Bev and David and everyone else for everything you're doing to fight this subversion of our Democracy!

[Bushfire]

75. Houston and Austin now uploaded.

http://austin.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=9078&group=webcast

http://houston.indymedia.org/news/2003/10/16829.php

[Melinda]

76. Chapters 8 & 9 and all other BBV links are on all IndyMedia sites.

Thanks for the help everyone. :)

[Bushfire]

77. New Orleans & Rogue Valley now uploaded

http://neworleans.indymedia.org/news/2003/10/492.php

http://rogueimc.org/2003/10/1662.shtml

Someone else has been beating me too a bunch of sites. Melinda? :hi: :evilgrin:

[Melinda]

78. Yep... I've uploaded to all IndyMedia sites that gbnc didn't get this a.m.

I uploaded the corrected version of Chapter 7 last week, so I didn't repeat that one today, but feel free to continue if you like - and thanks. :)

*On edit - New Orleans was down for me

[Bushfire]

80. Great article on Carolina Morning News website

Rose: Who will win the election?

By John David Rose
Carolina Morning News

Think About It

Before answering the question in the headline, consider the new electronic voting machines mandated by Congress to be in use in every voting district by 2006.

Election officers are jumping on the bandwagon just as fast as federal money is made available. So far 37 states have bought more than 40,000 of the most popular machine, the Diebold Accuvote-TS

snip

I urge every reader to call our South Carolina and federal representatives immediately. Tell them that a voter-verifiable paper ballot is absolutely critical. South Carolina must not purchase machines without them.

Without a paper record, no one will ever believe the next election was fair and honest. And no one should.

State Sen. Scott Richardson, 363-5000.

State Rep. Bill Herbkersman, 757-7900.

U.S. Sen. Ernest Hollings, [phone].

U.S. Rep. Joe Wilson, [phone].

John David Rose is a long-time Hilton Head Islander and political observer.


more...


http://www.lowcountrynow.com/stories/101703/LOCrose.shtml

[Andy_Stephenson]

81. Melinda...you rock

[Melinda]

84. Well maybe I do a little... but truth is, my dear gbnc...

:yourock: more. :loveya:

[Andy_Stephenson]

89. AWW Shucks!

:grouphug:

[Kelvin Mace]

83. Latest

Okay, my ISP's officially an ass, but I am a little annoyed that some folks wrote abusive emails to him and he's got a right to be ticked about that.

I questioned his hostile tone in this note:

Bottom line Mr. Allen is your site has received another spam complaint.

My company has a zero tolerance policy.

You will need to source new hosting.

The account is being terminated for violations of our AUP & TOS

Moving this ticket to terminations team.

I asked him why he was was so hostile. He replied:

There is no 'tone', your site is in violation of our Acceptable Use Policy.

If there is any tone, perhaps the many tickets from your end users with vulgar language and threats against my company.

The bottom line is your site will be terminated for AUP violations.

I will email a backup to you once the termination takes place later tonight.

Look folks, writing an email and expressing disapproval is one thing, but being abusive is very "Limbaugh" and unhelpful. If anyone on DU cussed this guy out, write and apologize, please.

If he wants to be a jerk, let him. If you want to write and tell him he's unfair, great. No "colorful metaphors" and NO threats.

Working on moving the site now to a new home.

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
http://www.plan9.org

[creativelcro]

85. wait a minute...

but there was some SPAM before the nasty messages started, I assume... Then some people may have used some inappropriate language to complain that bbv.com had been plugged off.... Any idea what that initial spam was though ? ...
-C

[Kelvin Mace]

92. The initial "spam"

was an email Bev sent out to BBV volunteers.

This is an "opt in" only list. But all it takes is for one agent provocatuer (rhymes with Liebold) to sign up, then complain. These people are, one complaint, you are out.

I understand people expressing their displeasure, but it must be done from high ground, not low.

David Allen
Publisher, CEO, Janitor
Plan Nine Publishing
http://www.plan9.org

[lysergik]

94. Nice.

How bout that, good to see their zero tolerance policy works :eyes:

Perhaps if they had a little tolerance, they'd have more customers.

[Kusala]

86. sadly, the same people that falsify spam complaints

can also use e-mail to make obscene complaints that the site was taken down.

That way they attack the ISP on two fronts. The ISP gets suckered in, and it's all over.

That's not to say there weren't irrate DUers, but any ISP that hosts substance that could be controversial has to be thick-skinned. People that want to remove that substance will go to any lengths to do so.

[lysergik]

87. Lets hear it for..

Zero tolerance policies! What a crock of chicken shit this guy is cooking up.

If the site was against his AUP/TOS then why did they allow it to be hosted in the first place? Exactly!

[althecat]

88. Hi... I posted a comment on all this over on this other thread...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=549062&mesg_id=549659&page=

Just a heads up to those on this one...

[JohnGideon]

90. Portland Band On National Tour To Promote Our Issue

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=546599

[Bushfire]

91. Cool Beans!

I will make one of the shows. :kick:

[Andy_Stephenson]

96. Hell

I'm gonna buy one of their albums.

[Bushfire]

99. I'll match that purchase GBNC

and raise you a concert ticket, and helping at their info table. :hi: I'll give an update on the show early next week or so Andy. Wish you could help out though. I've got some articles to print tomorrow.

[Andy_Stephenson]

100. They coming to Seattle?

if so, it would be an excuse to get out of the house.

[Bushfire]

101. Portland is the closest to you, Nov 21st

at the Paris Theater 7pm all ages show.

http://railerband.com/

17-Oct Minneapolis MN The Church 9pm all
18-Oct Chicago IL Underground Lounge 9pm 21+
19-Oct Milwaukee WI Club Anything 8pm 21+
20-Oct La Crosse WI Club 324 Live 8pm 21+
21-Oct St. Louis MO Creepy Crawl 8pm all
22-Oct Grand Rapids MI Liquid Room 7pm all
23-Oct Bowling Green OH TBA 8pm TBA
24-Oct Lakewood OH Symposium 8pm TBA
25-Oct TBA PA TBA TBA TBA
8-Nov Jacksonville FL VooDoo 8pm 21+
9-Nov Tampa FL Liar's Club 8pm 18+
10-Nov St. Petersburg FL Venom Nightclub 7pm all
11-Nov Tallahassee FL TBA 8pm TBA
12-Nov New Orleans LA Mermaid Lounge 8pm 21+
13-Nov Baton Rouge LA Spanish Moon 9pm 18+
14-Nov Austin TX Elysium 8pm TBA
15-Nov El Paso TX Peanut Gallery 8pm 18+
16-Nov Albuqueque NM Burt's Lounge 8pm 21+
17-Nov Flagstaff AZ TBA TBA TBA
18-Nov San Diego CA Brick by Brick 8pm 21+
19-Nov Los Angeles CA Liquid City 9pm 18+
20-Nov San Francisco CA DNA Lounge 8pm 21+
21-Nov Portland OR Paris Theatre 7pm all

[eridani]

102. At 12:39AM 10/18

The following links still worked.

http://www.blackboxvoting.com/index.php

http://www.talion.com/blackboxvoting.org.htm