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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 11:26 AM
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H20Man:Amendment 1 Blues .....
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Amendment 1 Blues .....

{1} Introduction

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Six months ago, the pressure that Patrick Fitzgerald was placing upon journalists Matt Cooper and Judith Miller caused many people to question if his federal grand jury's investigation of the Plame "leak" posed a threat to the First Amendment. This was true for people as diverse as Bob Woodward, the journalist famous for keeping the identity of "Deep Throat" secret for over thirty years, to journalists who participate on the Democratic Underground. Judith Miller went to jail rather than testify after the U.S. Supreme Court denied her appeal that was based on the First Amendment. A number of nationally known, and respected, journalists proclaimed Judith a hero.

What a difference a few months makes.

The unhealthy relationship between Judith Miller and Lewis Libby, which was revealed when Scooter agreed that Judith should testify about their conversations regarding Valerie Plame, thus effectively rolling back the stone from Miller's self-imposed tomb. Yet the days that followed did not treat Judith or Scooter well. A letter from Scooter that appeared to "coach" Judith on what her testimony should be was made public. And her co-workers from the New York Times revealed that Judith answered not to her editors, but rather to the Rumsfeld forces. It was as if Judith, like some minor saint from a television docu-drama, had fallen from grace when it was found her honor had putrefied in that tomb.

Woodward, the once-respected reporter who helped to bring down the criminal empire of Richard Nixon, has also become an embarrassment to journalists. The same talking heads that grace the corporate media shows, who were once proud to serve as cheerleaders for Bob, even though he had been exposed as a lying carp during the Iran-Contra scandal by claiming to have had an intimate encounter with a government official who was lying in a coma, dying in a hospital bed, now are uncomfortable with recent developments that prove Woodward was a player in the Plame scandal.

The threat to a "free press" does not come from Fitzgerald's examination of the Plame scandal. Indeed, it is posed by those who are attempting to hide the truth from Fitzgerald.

{2} "Sullivan also disclosed that the FBI, at Johnson's request, had sent a special squad to Atlantic City for the 1964 Democratic National Convention that renominated him. .... One FBI man .... had posed as an NBC correspondent. To delegates and other newsmen, he looked like a typical television reporter laden down with electronic gear. The Clark interview summary states: 'Special agent Ben Hale had credentials as an NBC correspondent. He conducted interviews with key persons in various groups ...' .."
-- The American Police State; David Wise; 1976; pages 288-91

David Wise wrote and co-wrote several of the books that helped uncover the abuses of the media by American intelligence agencies. These included "The Politics of Lying," and "The Invisible Government," as well as the one quoted from above. He was the chief of the Washington bureau of the New York Herald Tribune.

While people often think of government abuses of the free press in strictly "Operation Mockingbird" terms, Wise documented that the abuses are far more wide-spread than many people appreciate. In the example cited, President Johnson was not having the FBI use the cover of NBC to keep track of any threat to the state. Rather, Johnson was furious that "radical" blacks from the grass-roots level had formed the Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party movement. In 1964, black citizens from Mississippi who were registered as democrats, and who wanted their vote to count, were considered radical. That may sound familiar to black citizens who are registered as democrats and who expect their votes to count in Florida and Ohio today.

Johnson was particularly upset, as was J. Edgar Hoover, that Robert Kennedy was speaking almost daily to Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr., on the telephone. The Johnson administration was concerned that the MFDP might be the fuse that would set off a powder keg of support for RFK at the convention.

This fear was all that it took to get the president of the United States of America to contact the director of the FBI, and to be able to access a number of press credentials from NBC, which allowed the federal agents to keep track of the pulse of the convention, RFK, King, and the MFDP.

{3} "In 2003, the North American winners of the prestigious Goldman Environmental Prize, known as the 'Nobel Prize for grassroots work,' were former Fox TV reporters Jane Akre and Steve Wilson. The two investigative reporters claim that they lost their jobs at Tampa's Fox-owned WTVT when they refused to doctor a news report that had displeased Monsanto. .... Akre and Wilson's report said that Monsanto had been accused of fraud in connection with information it had provided to the EPA concerning dioxin, published deceitful statements about food safety, and funded favorable studies about the product from tame scientists. The newscast also reported that Monsanto had attempted to bribe public officials in Canada."
--Crimes Against Nature; Robert Kennedy, Jr; 2004; page 180

Kennedy's book further details how Akre and Wilson were forced to make 83 changes to their award-winning report over a nine month period, because the Fox station was concerned about the lose of advertisers connected to grocery-chain and dairy industry interests. The station's lawyers were not impressed by the fact that the two reporters could document everything in their report. "The station's lawyer told us time and again, You don't get it. It doesn't matter what the facts are' ..."

The reporters were fired by the station in December of 1997. They then sued Fox, and won when the jury found Akre was fired "because she threatened to disclose to the Federal Communication Commission under oath in writing the broadcast of a false, distorted, or slanted news report that she reasonably believed would violate the prohibition against intentional fabrications or distortions of the news on television."

Kennedy reports that the story "does not have a happy ending," however. The Florida District Court of Appeals ruled in favor of the Fox appeal, which was supported by amicus curiae briefs from five major television networks. This ruling, Kennedy notes, "effectively declared it legal for networks to lie in news reports to please their advertisers." The Jeb Bush-appointed judge, Patricia Kelly, remanded the case to trial court, RFK wrote, to decide if the reporters were responsible for paying Fox $1.7 million in legal fees.

{4} "As with other news in the past, television's ability to deliver has been highly overrated. From the first day of the war, when CNN's Baghdad correspondents reported bombing in the city, TV delivered very little in the way of actual war footage. This was partly due to Pentagon censorship ..... Former New York Times political correspondent Richard Reeves characterized the TV industry, because of its submissive performance, as 'PNN, the Pentagon News Network'."
-- In The Absence of the Sacred; Jerry Mander; 1991; page 92

Mander's book focuses some attention on a report from Advertising Age, which noted that about 75% of commercial network time was paid for by the largest 100 corporations. This was put in the context of there being over 450,000 corporations at the time. A media that represents the interests of 100 corporations, and which is allowed to "lie in their news reports in order to please advertisers," as Kennedy noted, can hardly qualify as the "free press" advocated by the Founding Fathers.

In Kennedy's book "Crimes Against Nature," he details how in 2003, at a time environmentalists were engaged in a fight against the Cheney energy bill, it became almost impossible for him to get "airtime" on the televised news. Fox's Bill O'Reilly agreed to have Robert on, as long as he would agree not to speal about President Bush's responsibilities to the public. Fox then moved to have the segment taped, so they could edit any slip. NBC's Tom Brokaw and CNN's Aaron Brown both scheduled RFK, but then folded under pressure, and canceled his appearances. Both opted to instead substitute stories on Michael Jackson's sex life.

{5} "Two White House officials, who insisted on anonymity, said on Thursday that Hadley was not Woodward's source."
-- Reuters; report by Adam Entos; 11-18-05

Who was Bob Woodward's source on Plame? The majority of the media sources have reported that it is not President Bush, VP Cheney, Dan Bartlett, or Condi Rice. Doug Feith and Carl Ford, Jr. have said it was not them. And unidentified spokespersons have said it was not George Tenet, John McLaughlin, Colin Powell, John Bolton, or Stephan Hadley.

There have been no responses from Marc Grossman or Dick Armitage. Yet several TV networks have focused on Armitage, including showing his photo on-screen during reports on Woodward. This is not a coincidence -- it is a packaged attempt to convince the public that Armitage is deeply involved in the scandal.

Only one news source has identified who the administration source who leaked to Wodward actually is. Raw Story has quoted a source that has identified Stephen Hadley as Woodward's source. Hadley played a significant role in the infamous "16 words" that were removed from President Bush's October 2002 speech in Cincinnati, but put back in his 2003 State of the Union address.

Hadley himself has not actually denied being Woodward's source. "I've also seen press reports from White House officials saying that I am not one of his (Woodward's) sources," Hadley told reporters. "It is what it is."

It is worth noting that Raw Story was accurate in reporting previous information about Hadley's role -- including his behavior -- in previous stories on the Plame grand jury investigation. At a time when journalists, newspapers, magazines, and TV stations are being pressured to report "unidentified administration sources" that Woodward's source is not connected to VP Cheney's office, it is refreshing to see that Raw Story is reporting the truth. Their strength in doing so reminds me of the Journalist's Creed:

"I believe in the profession of journalism. I believe that the public journal is a public trust; that all connected with it are, to the full measure of responsibility, trustees for the public; that acceptance of lesser service than the public service is a betrayal of this trusty; that individual responsibility may not be escaped by pleading another's instructions or another's dividends; that advertising, news and editorial columns should alike serve the best interests of readers; that supreme test of good journalism is the measure of its public service."

posted by Patrick O'Waterman
Friday, October 28, 2005

http://h2oman.blogspot.com/

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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 11:29 AM
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1. Let me be the first to K & R
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 11:34 AM
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2. I appreciated the history lesson
I knew about the Mississippi Freedom Party-I recall admiring their courage and feeling they were right in what they were doing and wondering, in my naive young mind, why the Democrats weren't supporting them.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 06:49 AM
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34. IX. With Mrs. Fannie Lou Hamer
Chapter 9 of the wonderful book "Malcolm X Speaks" covers a speech he gave in December 1964, endorsing the MFDP. At the time, Hamer and others were touring northern cities, seeking support for their movement, as well as to organize chapters throughout the country.

LBJ recognized her as a threat to his presidency in a way not unlike George W. recognizes a lady named Cindy, who is touring America today, organizing people who feel disenfranchised from the political process.

Of course Lyndon feared RFK. In truth, he had attempted to achieve some sort of understanding, if not friendship, with Kennedy. It was not to be. LBJ thought Robert might try to take the nomination, and he knew that a combination of support from King, especially with the MFDP seated, could spark the liberal wing of the party into an open revolt against LBJ. If it sounds paranoid today, it is important to appreciate that LBJ was a paranoid man, but more, that it was a strange time. A number of JFK's people in Washington had privately discussed pushing RFK for VP, and when LBJ rejected that, a few were thinking of RFK for president. Hoover let LBJ know exactly who.

Also fascinating is that, at this time, Malcolm and Martin were beginning to communicate. Usually it was through an attorney close to both. Malcolm had approached the UN in regard to making "civil rights" into a "human rights" issue. He had been told to try to mend the fences with the civil rights movement. There were forces that considered this an unacceptable threat at that time. It's sad, because we had the leadership that could have created such positive changes in our country.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 11:39 AM
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3. Whoa! Did Woodward really claim to have had an "encounter",
an "intimate" encounter (I assume "intimate" means a deathbed admission, rather than a sexual encounter!) with... William Casey? Wasn't it Casey who died around the time of Iran/Contra?
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:39 PM
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6. Very interesting
Just how "in bed" with these people are Woodward?
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 04:07 PM
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12. He claimed to have interviewed Casey.
By chance, the brain-dead fellow manage to tell Woodward a story that helped Bush1.

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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:36 AM
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28. You know what? I've come to the conclusion that Woodward is just
a LIAR.

That would explain all the conflicts in his little teaser stories lately. It would explain the thing with Casey. It is pretty much the only thing I can come up with that would explain all the conflicts surrounding Woodward.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 04:08 PM
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13. No sexual .....
although Woodward has certainly prostituted himself. Around the time of the Iran-Contra scandal, Mr. Woodward claimed to have had a conversation with Mr. Casey when the old fellow was in a coma. His story, I think it is fair to say, served to benefit the official who actually ran the illegal activities of that cluster of inter-related scandals. I would hope that Octafish might shine some light on this.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 04:29 PM
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15. Kick for you, Octafish, and everyone who wants to learn.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 04:57 PM
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16. Yikes!
You have captured the essence of VP Cheney's being.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 05:35 PM
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18. gack!
I need to remember to be prepared for your posts SR! You make me shiver.

:hi:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 11:12 PM
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25. I kinda thought the Armitage "pump" was a little suspicious, too.
Only Hadley's aides have come out and denied it...so how do we know it's not Hadley.

And, the 16 words where he fell on his sword were interesting. Although Tenant seemed to be a Samurai and fall on his sword to get a "Freedom Medal" so...who knows. But, I go along with what you are thinking. :shrug: Thanks for the post. Good to know one isn't alone in one's aloneness. :D
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 11:55 PM
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27. I think you meant to respond to H20 Man.
When I read "thanks for the good post," I KNEW it wasn't me to whom you were referring. :D

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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:38 AM
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29. Woodward obviously considers himself some Ivy League Forrest Gump.
More proof of his extreme narcissism.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 05:07 PM
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17. And (as I learned here) the family has denied the allegation.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:40 AM
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30. Gee... who to believe? I'm gonna go way out on a limb and
say I believe the FAMILY.

Woodward's horning in while their loved one was in a coma on his deathbed... you know what that reminds me of? It reminds me of when that guy made the terminally ill George Harrison play the guitar with his son in the hospital room. Remember that?

Apparently Woodward and that guy who abused Harrison are cut from the same cloth.
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dalaigh lllama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 12:53 PM
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4. Wonderful, but
You might want to remove the October date under h2oman's name. That's actually the date of his last entry. This one is dated Tuesday, November 22,2005
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:57 PM
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8. Thanks For The Heads Up
Edited on Tue Nov-22-05 01:59 PM by Me.
Alas, it's too late to do anymore editing.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 12:54 PM
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5. K.
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:43 PM
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7. Terrific post - the most important news is the burried news.
JFK was forced to take LBJ as his VP by J. Edgar Hoover. Hoover had pictures of a liason between JFK and a purported German operative, among others. Hoover made it a point of having dirt on sons and daughters of the rich and powerful just in case they ever amounted to anything.


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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:00 PM
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9. Thank you Me!
exellent as usual. The current crop of liars in the WH are great with the smoke and mirrors.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:41 PM
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10. We Need To Smoke All Of Them Out
Thanks Leftchick
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 03:33 PM
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11. Kick for a good read.
:kick:
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 04:26 PM
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14. This case has opened our eyes wider to the Orwellian US democracy
and its rapid trajectory towards *completion* because of the huge assist by a culture of corruption in media. As ever always, H20Man beautifully starts with the 1st amendment and its fall to cess pool status at the dirty hands of those entrusted to honor the freedom of speech. Journalists exhibiting such a huge expectation of entitlement is the height of hubris. My source is more important than the constitution is what it has devolved to today.

Woodward and Miller are but the latest and most well known whores at the Mustang Journalist Ranch. What they were was not at issue, the question was journalistic whoring for how much. The White House deliberately planned to use the journalists against the citizens and each other. And whore journalists then proceeded to cover it up so they could have a freakin' book deal!

It is my belief that several people are giving plenty of bread crumbs to keep Fitzgerald nicely fed during the coming harsh winter. Hadley was on Cheney's team. Libby was on Cheney's team. Rumsfailed was on Cheney's team. Miller was on Cheney's team. Woodward was on Cheney's team. Novak was on Cheney's team. WHIG was Cheney's team.

Card was/is on the president's team. Rove is on the president's team. Rice was on the president's team. Hughes was/is on the president's team. Tweety was on the president's team. Russert was on the president's team. Powell was/is on the president's team. Armitage was on Powell's team...;) The mix of players from the press and politics makes for an arsenic laced soup for democracy.

Well done H20Man! Thanks for posting it, Me.!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 07:43 PM
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19. The 1st amendment
is something that people should respect. It seems that those who are recognized as the top journalists are showing the least respect for it.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 09:41 PM
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24. Really Liked Your Post eom
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 09:10 PM
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20. this ought to me mailed to the MSM eom
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 09:20 PM
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21. I used to love the movie, "All the President's Men"
I'll never look at it in the same way again.

Woodward has sunk so low.

So very low.

I hope that tripe he wrote, "Bush at War" contains useful information for the prosecutor.



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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 09:28 PM
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22. He presents a contradiction .....
Certainly he is capable of quality work. While "Bush at War" is not a particularly good book, his follow-up "Plan of Attack" is good. It was followed by "The Secret Man," a fictional account of his relationship with Mark Felt.

The trade-off is simply not worth it.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 11:24 PM
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26. His appearance on Larry King last night seem to show him as
"conflicted." But, the "confliction" seemed to be more that Larry King was scowling not fawning over him throughout the whole interview and Woodward still was falling all over himself to keep pumping the lie that Valerie Wilson was NOT a NOC and that Larry Johnson is "full of it" as far as Woodward is concerned.

I'm not as kind about him as you are H2O Man. I wish I could be. But, last night's performance seemed to me ...a man who has gone to far in selling out his principles who is now "dancing as fast as he can" to try to regain the approval he knows he's lost.

But...I take your word that he's written good stuff about Bushies, since I haven't read any of his books...only the internet excerpts. :shrug:

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 06:04 AM
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33. There were parts of
"The Secret Man" where he described Felt as having lived a lie so long that he had come to believe it, and would tell the cover lies as an automatic response. It seemed to me that Woodward was consciously describing himself. He had to have been aware of what he was doing.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 09:36 PM
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23. He;s No Robert Redford! eom
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 02:10 AM
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31. REC-O-MENDED
:toast:
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 03:35 PM
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39. Appreciated! eom
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 06:03 AM
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32. kick
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 11:11 AM
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35. "Bush's War on the Press"
A fascinating article by John Nichols and Robert McChesney is found in the 12-5 edition of The Nation. (See pages 8-9) Nichols, who is The Nation's Washington correspondent, and McChesney, a University of Illinios journalism professor, are the co-founders of "Free Press," a media reform group.

Their article covers issues from the attempts to corrupt PBS; the covert propaganda campaign of "fake news"; the administration paying journalists to act as cheerleaders; reducing press conferences into charades; gutting the FOI Act; what they gently refer to as "obscuring the Iraq War"; promoting the corporate control of media by monopoly; and more.

The two have also authored a new book, "Tragedy & Farce: How American Media Sell Wars, Spin Elections and Destroy Democracy" (New Press).

For more information, go to:

www.freepress.net
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 11:14 AM
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36. Associated Press v. US (1945)
"...the First Amendment rests on the assumption that the widest possible dissemination of information from diverse and antagonistic sources is essential to the welfare of the public, that a free press is a condition of a free society." -- Justice Hugo Black
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 11:25 AM
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37. !
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 03:23 PM
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38. Okay, if you insist ....
I am still stunned that the administration payed Armstrong Williams $240,000 to say how much the No Child Left Behind Act benefits black Americans. I am willing to write a few columns about how full of baloney they are for half of that.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 03:39 PM
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40. At Least Then We'd Get Perceived Value
for our taxpayer dollars.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 03:53 PM
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41. Excellent post H20Man
I believe the consolidation and corporatization (I think I made that word up) of the MSM poses the gravest threat to "freedom of the press", bar none. This consolidation makes them more vulnerable to political pressure from those in power. The MSM does not represent the American People anymore, just advertisers and shareholders. This myopic view of their duties and responsibilities is killing their own industry as surely as it is killing Americans and Iraqis in a war based on lies.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 04:13 PM
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42. I agree.
To a very large extent, the differences between the news provided by CNN, ABC, MSNBC, Fox, and CBS are less significant than the differences between McDonald's and Burger King's cheeseburgers. And that is because both are the fast food product made by a large corporation interested more in selling a product for mass consumption than in the public's health and well-being.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 04:32 PM
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43. Yes, I agree it's all bad for our hearts.
One other way that you can tell who they are looking out for, is to have your stopwatch and remote control handy when they telecast the "news" on the broadcast networks, their commercials and "news stories" are coordinated to within seconds of each other. If you do not have cable or satellite, you cannot escape from the commercials by flipping the channels. I wonder if they could be prosecuted for price fixing on these grounds?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 08:48 PM
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44. Quite often
CNN, MSNBC, and Fox have the exact same commercial on at the same time.
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 02:24 PM
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51. I agree. Do you have any ideas about what we could do about this?
I mean, within the current capitalist framework (our economic system isn't going to change dramatically anytime soon)? I have been trying to come up with an idea that could increase the independence of the press from their corporate sponsors, but I sure can't think of any system to resolve the problem. I would sure like to hear anyone else's idea, particularly yours, H2O Man.

(Somebody posted a while ago about an alternative cable station that's starting up soon, but who knows, since nobody's seen it yet.)
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-05 07:04 AM
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45. "Video News Segments"
Under the Bush administration, at least twenty federal agencies have produced and distributed hundreds of "video news segments" that are distributed to various tv stations across the country. The Nation article by Nichols and McChesney explains that there is a $254 million "slush fund" that allows them to produce "reports" that "trumpet Administration 'successes,' promote its controversial line on issues like Medicare reform and feature Americans 'thanking' Bush..." The Government Accounting Office calls these news segments "covert propaganda."

Yhat sounds like 1984. It surely opens the door to that type of government manipulation of the media. And it is worse than just a fool like Sean Hannity using a government-produced "covert propaganda" segment to back up his support of a Bush policy -- which is certainly obscene when one considers that tax-payers are secretly funding Fox lies.

It creates an atmosphere where, if the administration feels it important to protect the vice president, it may take steps to manipulate coverage of "who was Woodward's source?" And rather than more journalists reporting that a Raw Story -- which has a record of accurate reporting on Hadley -- has reported that it was indeed Stephen Hadley who told Bob Woodward about Valerie Plame Wilson .... we end up with newspapers quoting "unidentified sources" from the White House saying it wasn't Hadley. This is the same White House that assured the public that Rove had no role, and that Libby wasn't a player in this scandal. And on tv, they continue to flash Dick Armitage's photo -- is this not covert propaganda? Lying?
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-05 10:32 AM
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46. What Will They Do When The Truth Comes Out
Their propaganda is becoming counter-productive. Not that they seem to grasp that. Most Americans think they're lying sacks of turkey refuse. So what exactly is their point anymore? (Has A. Jones repaid the money, by the way?) I don't think Dickie A. is going to take this lying down. Also, I understand Wilson was on the BBC saying Blair was misled by B***. Nice move.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-05 01:12 PM
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47. "Scheer: I'm Still Here"
"On November 11 longtime Nation contributor Robert Scheer learned he'd been fired by the Los Angeles Times, where he has worked as a reporter and columnist for thirty years. Scheer's comment on being sacked,'Publisher Jeff Johnson, who has offered not a word of explanation to me, has privately told people he hated every word I wrote. I assume that mostly refers to my exposing the lies used by President Bush to justify the invasion of Iraq. My only regret is that my pen was not sharper and my words tougher.' Scheer will be replaced by two right-wing columnists, among others. His readers picketed the Times building on November 15. We're glad to report that the San Francisco Chronicle will be the new home for Bob's column, which, of course, will still be at www.thenation.com. "

-from this week's The Natiom, page 8.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-05 03:37 PM
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48. HuffPo's Also Got Him
Imagine, bringing in Goldberg to replace him! "Will no one rid"...us of these people?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-05 03:57 PM
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49. It's an ugly process.
I think that what happened to Dan Rather fits in here.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-05 07:17 PM
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50. What, I'd Be Interested In Knowing
Does Imus think of the media, aside from David Gregory.
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