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NinetySix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 12:26 AM
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Come on, everyone thought Saddam had WMDs. Reminds me of a story....
When I was a kid, there was a strange old fellow who lived all by himself in a spooky old Victorian house on a hill that overlooked our town. Even though we hardly ever saw him, everyone knew who he was because of the reputation he had for being an odd one. He always smelled bad, kind of musty. He was always unkempt, like he never looked in the mirror. And what was more, he only came out at night. We kids talked about him a lot, especially around Hallowe'en. Talk was, the old geezer was a vampire.

I asked my Dad about the old guy, and told him that we thought he was a vampire. He laughed and said that he and his friends had thought the same thing when they were kids. I talked to other folks around town, and the librarian, the deli owner, heck, even the chief of police all said the same thing.

Well, late one autumn, a few kids in town got sick. Before long, several more got sick. Soon, lots of kids were sick, and no one knew what was causing it. A couple of them even died. It was really scary. I knew someone was going to have to do something. I started talking to a bunch of my classmates. Almost none of them had the guts to go up there to do what had to be done. In the end, I only found two other kids who would go along with me. We collected the tools we would need, and chose that very Saturday to go up there ... during the day, of course.

We sneaked up the hill, trying to keep ourselves obscured behind the trees so as not to be seen. We found the old cellar hatch, and surprisingly, it was unlocked. That would be perfect, we figured, since the ghoul must sleep in a coffin down there. But there was no coffin to be found. Strange.

So we made our way up the stairs and into the downstairs of the creepy old house. As quietly as we could, we made our way from room to room, but we couldn't find him. There was nothing for it but to go upstairs; the fiend must be there, or nowhere. At the landing, we heard a sound like a television set. We followed the sound to a bedroom down the hall. As quietly as we could, we opened the door and peeked in.

The room was completely dishevelled, like no one had picked up or cleaned it in years. The windows were all blacked out with paint, and the only light came from the flickering program playing on the old rabbit-eared TV set. It was Days of Our Lives, the show my Mom watched faithfully. On the dirty bed he lay, dressed in nothing but boxers and black socks with suspenders, a nearly empty bottle of Jim Beam clutched between his thighs. As we expected, he was fast asleep -- he was a vampire after all!

We crept to the side of the bed. with a wooden stake in my left hand and a mallet in my right, I swung with all my might, driving the stake directly into the old demon's heart. All at once, his eyes opened, his body jerked, and he made a sound like "Hwuuuh." Then his eyes rolled back into his head and he lay still. We had done it! Even so, we were pretty surprised how easily it had gone, since we had come expecting trouble. We went back down the hill, ready to exult in a hero's welcome.

At the trial, we presented all the evidence we had that we thought proved that the old guy was a vampire. The same people -- the SAME PEOPLE -- who had only recently said that they too once thought he was a vampire were now beginning to doubt that it was true. The prosecutor was really aggressive too, like we had done something wrong instead of acting like the heroes we were. I guess it's a good thing we didn't tell him about the big metal box full of old banknotes we found under the bed. Anyway, long story short, in the end the judge dismissed all of the charges because he always thought the old bastard was a vampire, too. So justice was served.

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So there. Admit it, you thought Saddam had WMDs, too. Now why don't you all just shut up and give our President a break.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 12:33 AM
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1. I always thought Hussein was a tin horn dictator in a tiny
country and never thought of him having the where to all or the want to be anything other than a tin horn dictator. But then I didn't have a corporatist oil background that would profit from invading Iraq regardless of the reason. W did.
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NinetySix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 12:35 AM
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2. So ya liked the bit about the cashbox under the bed, then?
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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 12:38 AM
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3. So it was YOU
who hammered that stick in my chest! Man thats a hurt and a half you little twerp.
Well, I'm a zombie now and I've been hanging around here for you to make this one
big mistake. Bad lottery numbers for you forever!
Of course you could avoid a big zombie stink if you just sent a PayPal deposit to my zombie account in Transylvania for the amount of all those bank notes you stole.
Remember this about pre emptive assault. What goes around comes around.
Thanks for the story. :evilgrin:
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NinetySix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 12:40 AM
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4. So you're still undead, are you?
I knew the case for driving a stake through your heart was a slam-dunk!
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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 12:47 AM
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5. Little goody two shoes stake driver.
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NinetySix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 08:55 AM
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6. Shameless morning kick.
n/t
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 09:04 AM
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7. A SHORT story and an observation
A buddy of mine said to me this weekend, "Well you were right about the whole damned thing BUT you said that you thought he had SOME WMD now didn't you?"

I replied,"Yeah I did. See what the Big Lie can do? I knew there was no way he had anything close to what they said he did but I still held out that 'yeah we better burn some of them just in case they ARE witches' bullshit"

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Okay when we were kids we wanted to scare my younger cousin so all of us cousins made up a story about "Mr.V" living in a closet in the top floor of our grandfather's house. We did such a good job of it that he was scared and we started believing it. We talk about it so much we started believing the lie that WE had made up. My cousins would go up there anymore and my brother and I always kept an eye towards the closet whether we were changing clothes or sleeping (we took turns).
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LisaLynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 09:17 AM
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8. That's an interesting story.
I've seen adults do the same thing -- either start believing a lie they deliberately made up or one that just sort of developed from avoiding the truths in their lives. The mind is very good at bending reality, I guess.
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NinetySix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 09:28 AM
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11. Exactly. That's the problem with Faith-Based intelligence.
It's easy to make up stories to support or justify just about anything. All it takes is to start with, "suppose..." followed by "then suppose that...." The human brain is hard-wired to recognize patterns, and even where there are none, it will fabricate them from whole cloth if allowed to bring its substantial imaginative faculties to bear. The hard work is to go out into the world and challenge one's own preconceptions against the hard empirical evidence that resides there, but must be painstakingly excavated.

It is interesting to note that, even when he had just lost the war to repel the invasion, Saddam had still not used any chemical or biological agents against the attackers. You'd think that this fact in itself would tend to disprove the WMD hypothesis, but there was a ready explanation for it: he was AFRAID to use them because he knew what the reaction of the world community would have been, or some such blather. If you were being assaulted in a dark alley and you had an unlicensed handgun hidden close to hand, would you hesitate to use it because of the possible charges you might face after you used it to protect your life? Don't ask me, ask a conservative. They love those kinds of hypothetical scenarios.
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 09:21 AM
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9. Yes, but not everyone ASKED for authority to go to war! n/t
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 09:26 AM
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10. Good story, but actually I did doubt whether he had any
WMDs. My husband doubted it, too. I had been following any news story from Iraq since about 1990, so about 13 years and I had reason to doubt the WMD stash stuff.

I had been reading closely about Iraq for so long because my husband was in Desert Storm. Once I got used to looking for stories about SH and Iraq, I just continued the habit on through the 90s.

Plus it was BUSH trying to convince us he had WMDs. That alone was enough to give me pause, to cause me to doubt. I felt he had a vested interest in invading that region above and beyond WMDs anyway.

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NinetySix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 01:54 PM
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12. Truth is, so did I.
There was only one way to find out for sure, but Bush disposed of that avenue real quickly, didn't he? The weapons inspectors were well on their way to demonstrating what we now know: that there were no WMDs, and had not been since 1992, just like the Iraqi report to the UN had asserted.

I guess the truth is sometimes inconvenient for the best laid plans of mice and men. Of course, how convenient is the occupation and insurgency for poor old 43 now? He's looking a little pale to me....
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 02:03 PM
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13. not for one minute did I think he had WMD. The evidence
was overwhelming that he did not.



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NinetySix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 02:15 PM
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14. There's evidence, and then there's evidence...
When the kids got to the room, they found the old man asleep -- DURING THE DAY! And who sleeps during the day? VAMPIRES! The old man was a vampire, Q. E. D. Never mind the fact that there was no coffin in the cellar.

In the same way, Bush's bunch did a briliant job of ignoring all of the abundant counter-evidence that was patently obvious to the rest of the world. In the end, they got their invasion, and that's all they wanted.

By the way, Saddam was a cruel dictator who gassed his own people. His OWN PEOPLE! That's reason enough to take him out. Just go back and look at the Reagan Administration's unambiguous reaction to the 1988 gassing of the Kurds: they helped him cover his ass. It wasn't an outrage until he was no longer our puppet, at which point it became intolerable. Does the name Manuel Noriega ring a bell?

If only there were a way to travel back to 1980, to the time before our foreign policy went mad. Doesn't matter now, our reputation as a crass bully has been etched in stone for all time.
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