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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 07:32 PM
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Reminder:How the White House Embraced Disputed Arms Intelligence -NY Times
Edited on Sat Nov-12-05 07:45 PM by Roland99
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/03/international/middleeast/03tube.html?ei=5090&en=2e1cdcc5b66e0332&ex=1254456000&partner=rssuserland&pagewanted=all&position=

In 2002, at a crucial juncture on the path to war, senior members of the Bush administration gave a series of speeches and interviews in which they asserted that Saddam Hussein was rebuilding his nuclear weapons program. Speaking to a group of Wyoming Republicans in September, Vice President Dick Cheney said the United States now had "irrefutable evidence" - thousands of tubes made of high-strength aluminum, tubes that the Bush administration said were destined for clandestine Iraqi uranium centrifuges, before some were seized at the behest of the United States.

Those tubes became a critical exhibit in the administration's brief against Iraq. As the only physical evidence the United States could brandish of Mr. Hussein's revived nuclear ambitions, they gave credibility to the apocalyptic imagery invoked by President Bush and his advisers. The tubes were "only really suited for nuclear weapons programs," Condoleezza Rice, the president's national security adviser, explained on CNN on Sept. 8, 2002. "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."

But almost a year before, Ms. Rice's staff had been told that the government's foremost nuclear experts seriously doubted that the tubes were for nuclear weapons, according to four officials at the Central Intelligence Agency and two senior administration officials, all of whom spoke on condition of anonymity. The experts, at the Energy Department, believed the tubes were likely intended for small artillery rockets.

The White House, though, embraced the disputed theory that the tubes were for nuclear centrifuges, an idea first championed in April 2001 by a junior analyst at the C.I.A. Senior nuclear scientists considered that notion implausible, yet in the months after 9/11, as the administration built a case for confronting Iraq, the centrifuge theory gained currency as it rose to the top of the government.

Senior administration officials repeatedly failed to fully disclose the contrary views of America's leading nuclear scientists, an examination by The New York Times has found. They sometimes overstated even the most dire intelligence assessments of the tubes, yet minimized or rejected the strong doubts of nuclear experts. They worried privately that the nuclear case was weak, but expressed sober certitude in public.


Aluminum tubes could ONLY be used for nuclear weapons?

Not according to this related slideshow:
http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2004/10/02/international/20041003_TUBE_SLIDESHOW_1.html

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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 07:37 PM
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1. Looks like the scrap metal yard in my area........
but who are we to question government 'intelligence'.
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 07:40 PM
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2. Glad you changed your original title! It's been proven incorrect for a
long time now, by numbers of 'real' experts, not just those 'experts' the WH administration 'cherry-picked' from to advance their case for "occupation."

Aluminum tubes could ONLY be used for nuclear weapons?
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 07:42 PM
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4. I didn't think the original article was still available in its entirety...
Edited on Sat Nov-12-05 07:45 PM by Roland99
so I thought I'd just post the slideshow. Then I found the full article and changed the thread title and added some passages from the article.

I even added this NY Times article to the Iraq War thread in the new Research forum.

:)
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 07:49 PM
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5. Thanks Roland! Actually I responded to your original title with 'anger'
because I knew it to be untrue and unproven. By the time I clicked on your post, you had changed it. I thought you were expressing a personal opinion about the aluminum tubes.

:hi: :)
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 07:50 PM
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6. LOL!
Edited on Sat Nov-12-05 07:50 PM by Roland99
No worries, oh WiseButAngrySara.


;)
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 08:12 PM
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7. Sometimes Wise (and often foolish) and Angry since 2000, might be a
better name! :)
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 08:13 PM
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8. But would probably crash the DU servers
;)
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 08:51 PM
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10. True! I can't wait to change my name to "I told you so" or something
along the Cassandra line...except as Cassandra I'ld never be believed!
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 07:41 PM
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3. Accidental duplicate! ....n/t
Edited on Sat Nov-12-05 07:44 PM by WiseButAngrySara
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-05 08:36 PM
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9. "They worried privately that the nuclear case was weak, "
Good God.

That sentence means somebody admits they would have preferred Saddam to have had nukes over his NOT have them.

Do you realize how bass-ackwards that is?
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