New Wilson stuff breaking in LBN- Very. Important.

[Rose Siding]

here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=165511&mesg_id=165511

about this

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/031020/whispers/20whisplead.htm

And DO NOT overlook the pdf links on this page. Wilson may have the admin by the gonads this time.

[Eloriel]

1. Music to my ears

Thanks for the heads up.

Eloriel

[wyldwolf]

2. ahhhhh shiiit!

[wryter2000]

3. This is important

Please follow the link and look at the PDF's.

:kick:

[LittleApple81]

8. Great! n/t

[LittleApple81]

16. kick n/t

[blm]

4. Please make sure to send to your local news outlets.

.

[KoKo]

26. blm this could be a big Hoax! According to poster here that column is

a favorite place for Rove leaks.

[jayfish]

5. Anyone Worried About Scrubbing Should...

right click on the PDF links and click "save target as" to copy to your HDD. Thats for MSWindows anyway.

Jay

[Rose Siding]

6. Yes! Great idea- Save it if you can

We haven't even read all of it yet.

[Spazito]

7. Thank you!

Saved!

[Rose Siding]

9. I called Jay Inslee- they are going to let him know now

The guy took all my info, went to the page and is going to contact Jay.

I knew he would be interested because of the forum in August but do you think other congress types will want this?

[Capn Sunshine]

10. I would think Dianne Feinstein would want to see this.

[Rose Siding]

11. Yes Call them all- I just did and

they are interested. Both Senators and 2 Reps. All asked for link, article title, author and my info. Mention pdfs and WILSON and expose.

This feels GREAT.

[rucky]

18. How did you sell it?

Hooley and Weiden need to know

[Rose Siding]

52. Make sure they know you're

talking about Joe Wilson, tell them he's got new information that he's sending around and that it's big- Senator blank will want to be briefed on it. Give the article addy, mention that the pdfs are linked there.

Just be honest and concise. Every one I contacted wrote as I spoke once I said "new Joe Wilson stuff" and a couple took my name. I've never seen such a consistently interested reaction on any other issue.

[Spazito]

12. Kick

*

[Rose Siding]

13. And

:kick:

[LittleApple81]

14. kick n/t

[maggrwaggr]

15. The CIA and now a military officer -- going after Shrub

Some people just don't like being lied to.

Imagine that.

[cthrumatrix]

17. forget Rush ond overweight people...this is THE STORY....tell

your congressman and senator...call your local newspaper and expose Bush for his admins. calculated deceptions.

Thanks Joe Wilson

[protect freedom impeach bush now]

19. kick

KICK

[bearfartinthewoods]

20. this would be better if wilson wasn't involved

his role as victim of the administration is valuable. why taint it by morphing into active opposition? it could cloud the leak story.
freeps are already spinning that he lied about niger. i don't understand his involvement here?????

[rucky]

28. Wilson is reponding to the spin

by presenting a detailed factual analysis. You don't just leave the spinmeisters (a.k.a. liars) with the last word. That's been our problem for way too long - the role of victim is exactly where the bullies in Washington want their opposition to be, and I don't see us having any use for it.

So what are they going to do this time?

They can dismiss 16 words as "bad intelligence". They can dismiss a leak as a (insert today's talking point). They can't dismiss 50-some bum stories from the Pentagon without personally attacking Wilson's credibility and motives...

BUT they've already acknowledged their "mistake" in Yellowcake - they can't take that back (tho the Freeps seem to be trying). Wilson has been the only person to make the administration admit to anything - that's some serious clout. Congress can't do it. The media won't do it.

Wilson is the whistleblower we've been hoping for - let's let him take this as far as he can. We've been waiting too long for this.

[Pale Blue Dot]

21. I am reading the PDFs right now, and...

while they contain a lot of good information, the report is very poorly written and absolutely riddled with grammatical mistakes. Gardiner needs to get a good editor immeadiately.

Not to dump water on this fire, but I fear this report will not be taken seriously unless it is cleaned up.

[patdem]

25. Finnfan I agree about the grammer or rather small errors in tense

and such. They do not alter the gist of the report but I agree they should be corrected before being universally published. Almost sounds like someone with English as a second language wrote this.

[Oilwellian]

27. You should research the author

Writing may not be his forte but being a military expert IS, and it appears he's very well respected.
http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2003/s811353.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2003/s828524.htm

[Pale Blue Dot]

30. I agree that Gardiner is credible

and well respected. But we're talking about the US media here, who has consistantly looked for any reason to ignore the truth. These documents do not seem professionally produced, and that may be all the excuse they need.

[janekat]

22. Holy Cow! Paul Bedard is one of Rove's favorite leakers....

What's HE doing printing this?

[KoKo]

24. If Rove is involved it's to make Wilson look not Credible! I wondered

why that PDF file was tucked into what seemed like a "gossip column" in USA Today. If it was real, then why would it be put there. Why wouldn't it have been leaked to NYT's or WAPO.

If the person who writes the column is a buddy of Rove then it says its a plant to hurt Wilson, rather than help him. Sad.

[librechik]

60. How ironic--and pointed--for Wilson to use Rove's boy

for his own leak. It might really gall Karl and make him squirm!

Just a theory...

[KoKo]

71. Maybe you're correct...turn about is fair play. I still worry it's Hoax..

why would this be slipped into the USA Gossip Column.......I hope DU'ers aren't going to get burned on this one.

If Wilson wanted to leak Gardiner's report he has plenty of ways to do it in the regular outlets. He has ties I think to the major Reporters.

Well, fingers crossed...but it has a strange feel to it....to me, anyway.

[DBoon]

23. Orwellian

Orwell made a comment about his experience in the Spanish Civil War, that while truth is always bent in war time, what was new and frightening at the time was the complete disconnect between reality and what was reported. Heroic battles were reported where there was absolute quiet, while fierce engagements were missing.

In the past, both sides could agree there was such as thing as objective truth, that existed outside partisan politics. Even with distortion and exaggerations, there were basic facts that really existed. In totalitarian societies, facts themselves are manufactured to fit political convenience.

[InkAddict]

64. Gardiner's take mirrors

many of the tactics that Lawrence LeShan outlined in "The Psychology of War - Comprehending its Mystique and its Madness."

Also, the points you bring up about spinning the facts to suit political convenience is why I have YET to finish Umberto Eco's "Baudolino." The fictional behaviors of the main character show in satiric manner the ways in which history can be re-written by manipulating the facts and judgements of those in positions of authority, not necessarily in "high" places. The satire just got too chilling after the evening news!

[Eloriel]

69. Whoa

That's one of the more profound posts I've seen on DU.

And, can't we all identify. Sigh.

Eloriel

[KoKo]

72. Well, we are starting to have major evidence that facts have been

manufactured to fit political convenience, even if the Gardiner PDF files turn out to be a false leak.

Yes, it's defintely looking like we live in a totalitarian society. Worse than even Viet Nam under Johnson and Nixon. And I remember those time. This is much worse.

[Blue_Roses]

29. HELP! I can't get the files to open once it's

downlaoded. It keeps going back to the "open, save, cancel, more info," box. What am I doing wrong here?

[Oilwellian]

31. Are you opening in Acrobat?

<eom>

[Blue_Roses]

32. no..

is this my problem?

[Blue_Roses]

35. Thanks

okay I feel like a moron now! Just had my computer fixed and it wasn't installed yet. I have now installed it an it fixed my problem. Thanks for the insight!

[LittleApple81]

33. DID YOU SEE THE POST (ABOVE BY JANEKAT, POST 22) ABOUT PAUL BEDARD?

If this is true, maybe it is done to discredit Wilson somehow? It worries me.

[rucky]

44. I don't see any merit to it...

From the Bedard clips I've read, he's a Page 6-type gossip columnist for the Beltway who makes bad election predictions (Edwards/Hillary ticket) and only really covers two-bit issues.

I'm sure Rove uses him to test out the rumor mill...I'm sure they All use him for that.

I've googled like a madman and found nothing to indicate that Bedard is a Rovian operative, a Rovian analyst, or anything more Rovian than any other mainstream reporter ('cept fer Novak). Unless Janekat can enlighten us with some more information...

Why Usless News & World Distort has pushed this to Page Six is a mystery to me. Sounds to me like it's a work in progress, and they a) want to stir up some talk in the Beltway before it goes wide, b) got "leaked" to Bedard before it was ready. I'm leaning towards B.

Rove, BTW is an ham-fisted idiot moron...this isn't his style, nor would it be of any help to the administration to release this kind of stuff.

[Fovea]

49. I agree that Rove would be a lot less subtle

and specific. I think that it might even be a plant from the operations arm of the CIA done in such a way to make it look as though it came from the inside, maybe even through Rove to attack Rumsfeld. Note that Rove stays surprizingly clean in the main.

I think this is someone ratf**king the Bush admin. Remember how paranoid they are about information control. This is more than bad, it should set they tiny heads spinning, because they cannot be certain it didnt come from inside, and they have to be, because they know that worse is yet to come if it is.

No, my suspicions are that Rove is prowling the staffers offices with a shotgun right now. To quote a favorite movie "Yuri is in the building!"

[janekat]

56. Rove does leak stuff to Bedard - but that doesn't necessarily mean

that Bedard is a "Rove" operative. I've seen some of these Rove leakers turn around and totally slash the hell out of Bush & Co.

An example: remember how Novak was "riding" Bush about the war in Iraq before he published Rove's leak?

IMO - a lot of these reporters are reporters/media whores first, then Rove patsy's second.

[Rose Siding]

53. Why is it credible? n/t

[janekat]

58. Here's something about Bedard being Rove's "favored" journalist

http://www.democrats.com/preview.cfm?term=Condi%20Rice
Don Karleone Puts a Horse's Head in Condi's Bed
28-Jul-03
Condi Rice
When Karl Rove wants someone's head to roll, he doesn't hold a press conference. No, Rove is way more subtle than that - he keeps his hands clean by planting leaks with a favored journalist quoting unnamed "insiders" who would like that special someone to disappear. Rove's technique worked perfectly on once-powerful Trent Lott, who foolishly tried to fight back but then disappeared, and has not been seen since. Rove's fingerprints are ALL over this new "whisper" by Paul Bedard of US News: "there's growing talk by insiders that National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice may take the blame and resign." To make sure Condi gets the hint, Rove even named her replacements: "former Bush administration National Security Adviser Brent Scowcroft, NASA chief and former Navy Secretary Sean O'Keefe, and Paul Bremer, the U.S. administrator in Iraq." Yes Condi, that IS a horse's head in your bed, courtesy of Don Karleone. Do yourself a favor - don't bother to fight.

[Rose Siding]

62. Well maybe but that just looks like speculation

I think the writer is guessing. It's inconclusive, at best.

[janekat]

68. If you read Bedard's columns - he's always "quoting" Rove

However, don't get me wrong - this does NOT mean that he is a Rove "minion." I've seen him come out with anti-Bush comments. I'm just a little leery of anything coming from that column.

[ewagner]

34. The most vauluable part of this document

is the organizational structrue as well as the quotes from the PR firm about "The Future".

The extent to which information and disinformation was organized and coordinated throughout the administration, the military, the press and the British Government is an amazing feat. These guys left absolutely nothing to chance. The PR firm knew what it was doing and coordinated the message perfectly.

About "The Future"...that's scary....

First it implies that there WILL be future wars.

Second, the embedding of reporters was considered a "success" in terms of getting the message out and keeping the media itself on the administration's message.

Third, they weere deeply disturbed that "others provided too much content", namely the Generals and military analysts on tv. Too much truth was being told and that obviously screwed up the message.

I'm still trying to digest all 56 pages but right off the top of my head these are the most disturbing elements.

[bobthedrummer]

36. 56 pages documenting illegal war that was planned for

IMHO.

[ewagner]

37. Okay, you're right about that

I tend to get bogged down in details....

[RainDog]

38. Jim Wilkinson??

on the other thread in LBN, there is a quote about Jessica Lynch which mentions Jim Wilkinson.

Did anyone save the entry from the libertarian guy...his site is/was Capitol Hill Blue or something?

Anyway, remember he talked about a leak from Wilkinson, at the same time Wilson was coming forward?

Then the libertarian guy had to retract his remarks because he said the guy was not really who he said he was?

...and I have tried numerous times, with acrobat, to view the pdf pages and they will not open for me.

strange.

[ewagner]

39. That occured to me too

I wonder if it is the same James Wilkerson?

This Wilkerson seems to be pretty high up and there's no background on him.

[RainDog]

40. I found the old story. here's the link/exerpt

Conned big time
By DOUG THOMPSON
Jul 9, 2003, 18:05

In 1982, ( )a man came up to a me during a gathering in Albuquerque and introduced himself as Terrance J. Wilkinson. He said he was a security consultant and gave me a business card with his name and just a Los Angeles phone number.
( )
He said he had served in Vietnam with Army Special Force, worked for Air America, later for the FBI and as a consultant for the CIA. He said he had helped other Republican members of Congress I called some friends in other GOP offices and they said yes, they knew Terry Wilkinson.

On Tuesday, we ran a story headlined "White House admits Bush wrong about Iraqi nukes." For the first time, Wilkinson said he was willing to go on the record and told a story about being present, as a CIA contract consultant, at two briefings with Bush. He said he was retired now and was fed up and wanted to go public.

"He (Bush) said that if the current operatives working for the CIA couldn't prove the story was true, then the agency had better find some who could," Wilkinson said in our story. "He said he knew the story was true and so would the world after American troops secured the country."

more, including the original story, with T. Jim? Wilkinson's name removed.

[RainDog]

41. here's the post on the LBN thread

Private Jessica Lynch

“In the Joint Operations Center, Air Force Capt. Joe Della Vedova
followed the raid as it happened, and as soon as Lynch was in the
air phoned Jim Wilkinson, the top civilian communications aide to
CENTCOM Gen. Tommy Franks. ‘She is safe and in our hands,’ he
reported. The whole operation, expected to take 45 minutes, was
over in 25. Next Della Vedova called Gen. Vince Brooks..”
Newsweek, April 14
In the early hours of April 2, correspondents in Doha were
summoned from their beds to CENTCOM. Jim Wilkinson, the
White House's top figure there, had stayed up all night. …"The
president had been briefed, as had the Secretary of Defense."
The first and unexplained part of the story is that just after she was returned to US custody, the first call was to Jim Wilkinson, CENTCOM Director of Strategic Communications. This is very strange for a military operation. When I tell military friends, they often respond, “Do you suppose they staged it?”
I don’t have any information about it being staged, but we do know from Wilkinson that the President and Secretary of Defense were briefed immediately.
...
On the afternoon of the 3rd when Rumsfeld and Myers gave their press briefing, the story on the street was that she was America’s new Rambo. We know. However, that they had been briefed. We know he would have been aware of her injuries. When asked, he pulled back. He left the Washington Post story as possibly being right. Again, we see the pattern. When the story on the street supports the message, it will be left there by a non-answer. The message is more important than the truth.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/whispers/documents/truth_3.pdf 

[hedda_foil]

43. Holy kkkrap! There really is a James Wilkinson ...

And he's VERY high on the food chain.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

46. T.JAMES WILKINSON !!! article from capitalhillblue July & archived thread

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_2518.shtml

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=2966


An intelligence consultant who was present at two White House briefings where the uranium report was discussed confirmed that the President was told the intelligence was questionable and that his national security advisors urged him not to include the claim in his State of the Union address.

"The report had already been discredited," said Terrance J. Wilkinson, a CIA advisor present at two White House briefings. "This point was clearly made when the President was in the room during at least two of the briefings."

Bush's response was anger, Wilkinson said.

"He said that if the current operatives working for the CIA couldn't prove the story was true, then the agency had better find some who could," Wilkinson said. "He said he knew the story was true and so would the world after American troops secured the country."

On edit link:

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_2518.shtml

[Robbien]

54. Found an article with good background on Jim Wilkinson

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/08/19/Hillsborough/Central_Command_spoke.shtml

It reports that he is a protege of Karen Hughes, and that he was expected to remain with the Bush administration after the war to work on the re-election. However he left in August giving no reason to the press.

some interesting bits:

Wilkinson, who served in the Navy Reserve, was special assistant to the president since the administration's earliest days in office. He coordinated communications for White House domestic and foreign policy agendas.

Before joining the White House, Wilkinson served as spokesman for Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld.

During the Florida recount after the election, Wilkinson served as Miami-Dade County recount team spokesman for Bush.

[janekat]

57. More on wilkinson from (ironically) Paul Bedard

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/politics/whispers/whispwebarch.htm

Wilkinson returns to GOP politics


Former GOP communications big gun Jim Wilkinson, shipped to U.S. Central Command to handle press releases during the Iraq war, is returning to his roots. The Republican National Committee Tuesday said the P.R. big gun was going to take over communications for the 2004 Republican presidential convention in New York City. The announcement was made by convention manager Bill Harris.

For a guy who's done a lot in party political communications, the convention job will be a first and insiders say it could set Wilkinson up for a major job in a second Bush term.

Included in his resume are jobs like deputy White House communications director, head of the National Republican Congressional Committee's communications shop, and top aide to former House Majority Leader Dick Armey. Right after 9/11, he ran the Coalition Information Center, which put out anti-Taliban information.

Wilkinson, 33, will leave Central Command Wednesday. He'll probably also leave behind his military fatigues, which the Navy reservist wore during TV interviews and war press briefings.

[RainDog]

61. so, not the same

since Jim would have been twelve when the CHB guy met him.

I'm going to post the info from both these posts on the little thread I started separately.

...of course, now I wonder if Terry is Jim's dad...

[Rose Siding]

55. I remember that retraction

We were all so mad. I never linked from that guy again! Time to revisit?

[RainDog]

42. kick n/t

.

[cthrumatrix]

45. The sick part is how this translaes into everything we see....media,print,

speeches....we are played like a fiddle for the objectives of the elite and corporations.

[Must_B_Free]

47. Take names

Like I said - we need to let them know we are taking names. THis is going to take going into the media for prosecution. The Whitehouse isn't the only ahrea that needs to be cleansed, it's just the tip of the iceberg.

As far as I'm concerned, Novak opened up the entie mass media megaphone to scrutiny and perhaps charges of conspiracy. Remember Jack Welch got nailed telling them what to say on the news. I wonder what ever happened to the video tape of him asking them to call the election for Bush?

They need some fear - they are NOT untouchable and WILL be held accountable for their actions.

[Fovea]

51. The only vulnerablity is

that Rove can use this to damage the journalists as a profession, before they can take down the admin. I will not work, because they were made more frightened of the WH than respectful, anger is following.

[Fovea]

50. Widely known, this story entirely destroys

the crediblity of both the adminstration, and the media.

It is the journalist's equivalent of a terror attack on the WH.
Only in this attack, no one gets to the undisclosed location in time.

[LittleApple81]

48. kick n/t

[ElsewheresDaughter]

59. keeping it kicked to the front page

[Fovea]

63. agreed... way impoprtant

[eleny]

65. This is now being reported on the news at i.e america radio

during the news break of Mike Malloy's program. They said that Wilson is going to ciculate the 50 pages of new information he stumbled upon.

I was just reading the last few postings in this thread when it came on a minute ago.

Edit for spelling error.

[Rose Siding]

67. Daggone.

It's all prep. The US News article says "is going to". I'm hoping that it was let fly on a Tuesday so everyone can read it before the Sunday shows. Crossing fingers and toes.

[TheReligiousLeft]

66. Let's make sure this thing floods out into average America

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=535245>

[chookie]

70. Wilkinson in Florida 2000?

Wasn't he the ringleader of the "Bourgeoise Riot" that shut down the voting in Miami Dade?