Fox News: “Why All The Fuss About Torturing People?”

[RedEarth]

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/11/08/why-all-the-fuss/

[Christa]

1. Let them be tortured

they will sing a different tune :puke:

[mark11727]

65. "The beatings will continue until morale improves"

(Sign in the Personnel Office)

[bornagainhuman]

75. i have that shirt for my ship

[Rodger Dodger]

72. Let Them be tortured

That's a very damning comment which apparently was not put to the smell test. "What goes around comes around!"

[LittleClarkie]

2. Slippery slope -- two wrongs don't make a right

and why don't they ask the POW who wrote the bill?

[lumberjack_jeff]

3. Jesus Christ!

Unbelievable.

[HoosierClarkie]

90. You said it.

Jesus Christ was tortured. hmmm the right wing irony here. I do not recall reading that he was tortured so we may torture others. ;)

[eeyore]

4. Nice!

Murdoch is fucking evil!

There is not a low to which they will not stoop.

[brer cat]

58. I have never watched Fox

but from what I hear, you have hit the nail on the head. No depth too low. What a disgrace for American journalism..if that hasn't been reduced to an oxymoron.hnjmnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnrrrrrrrrrrrrtffffjkkkkkkkbv [ hmmm I got up before I hit "send" and it looks like the real "brer cat" walked across my laptop. I'm sure if you can translate that cat speak, it would be most profound!

[truebrit71]

Maybe because the poor bastards being tortured aren't effing terrorists??

Or at least they weren't when they went in.....

[NorCalDem]

40. Actually

13 out of nearly 500 detainees have been charged crimes. Not sure if they're "terrorist related crimes", I've heard rumors about some being for immigration transgressions, but that's a torture worthy offense too!

:sarcasm:

This shit makes me so effing sick

[HeeBGBz]

46. Damn I'm glad my parents aren't alive to see what we've become

Who the fuck are these people?

[DoctorGonzo]

62. I tell my friends all the time

Even if Ronald Reagan were still alive, the great conservative beacon of the material decade, none of this shit would have stood. At least he had enough brains not to invade and re-draw the entire political map of the Middle East at the expense of our young and our reputation as a haven for peace to those afflicted all around the world.

The WW2 generation is dying 1 person at a time and they are being replaced by insane extremists who spend all day preaching hate on talk radio. We're going to have some dark times ahead.

[HeeBGBz]

71. I think so too.

The honorable generation is drifting away little by little.

[katty]

94. me too! everyday more horrors

[Loonman]

5. Who said, that? Cavuto?

Guy needs to be punched in the head.

[whatever4]

6. and they want us to forget they never HAD to torture in the first place nm

nm

[bahrbearian]

7. Lets torture people for their thoughts,

I'm off to Gitmo..

[Ladyhawk]

8. Is this for real????? n/t

[mestup]

9. Are all FOX execs products of fetal alcohol syndrome?

I take it the Cavuto-person wants the believers to phone in their "opinions" on torture?

:banghead:

[aquart]

85. I've thought that was the explanation for most Republicans.

A martini at a crucial moment in fetal brain development.

[LSparkle]

10. Why all this fuss over Shrubya acting like a dictator?

CARTMAN: "What's the big fuckin' deal, bitch?"

Anyone who isn't up in arms over how this administration has conducted itself SHOULD MOVE! I'm sick of these Thugs making US feel like we don't belong here, when it's THEM who need to emigrate to a totalitarian state where they'll feel right at home.

[merbex]

11. I hesitate to say that FOX has sunk to a new low because they

always manage to surprise but this could be it

[LeftNYC]

12. "Why all the fuss about torturing the women who work at Fox News?" nt

[Roland99]

13. Because many of them are 100% INNOCENT you FAUX FVCKS!!

:mad: :mad: :mad:
:mad: :mad: :mad:

[KansDem]

97. Yeah! I wondered too how FOX knew they wanted us dead...

FOX must be omniscient...

Forget the "torture" debate (although I really don't understand how anyone can argue in favor of it, but then, I'm from Kansas), let's just address the rest of FOX's statement:

How do they know they are "terrorists" and how do they know they "want us dead?"

Damn! I wish I could be as assured about my assessments of others as FOX is of a nation of civilians we invaded and murdered en masse based on lies to steal their oil and labeled "terrorists" because they had the audacity to object.

[imouttahere]

14. Oh, I don't know, maybe because wanting us dead....

or for that matter, actually doing it, has to be proven in a court of law, international or otherwise, or at least that's how I thought it always worked...am I mistaken?

[liberal N proud]

15. Their stand explains my pet republicans view on this subject

I had an all day email debate with some help from a couple of friends with this little repuke about torture and the whole ethics of war.
I finally got him to admit he was a bigot at the end of the day. Never had to call him one at all, just pointed out his warped views and that most places it would considered such.
Didn't stop him though, he still thinks that any one of Muslim descent should be locked up because they are all out to kill us.
There were 3 of us going at him on the torture subject and one looking up data on the side.

[gademocrat7]

16. Faux news has reached a new low.

I knew they were capable of evil, but this goes beyond evil.

[johnaries]

17. Well, aside from the fact it makes us no better than them,

it DOESN'T WORK! History has proven again and again that torture only makes the victim tell you want they think you want to hear - not the truth.

Aside from being evil and reprehensible, it just plain doesn't work.

[Lubernaut]

18. Speechless...

[wallwriter]

19. Because some things are just wrong.

It doesn't matter whether the victims might be innocent or not. Torture is cruel and inhuman. Torturing Hitler, though incredibly tempting, would still have been unacceptable.

Don't these people get it. For all of the moralizing that goes on, none of these idiots understand the concept of maintaining the moral high ground.

Just sickening.

[seemunkee]

20. Torture Libby

Why the fuss aobut torturing someone who wants to see democracy dead?

[i_c_a_White_Ghost]

21. fox is shameless

they have no morals, they have no journalistic integrity, they are nothing but lying cheerleaders for the republican party

[DoctorGonzo]

63. Actually

"they have no morals, they have no journalistic integrity, they are nothing but lying cheerleaders for the republican party"

Actually, they're more like corporate tabloid reporters posing as legitimate journalists.

[renegade000]

22. i'm sure there are some republicans

who want democrats dead...maybe we should torture them

:shrug:

:eyes:

[Berserker]

81. Yes there are a few republicans who want dem's dead

"We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors."
- Ann Coulter, at the Conservative Political Action Conference, 02-26-02


"I tell people don't kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus—living fossils—so we will never forget what these people stood for."
- Rush Limbaugh, Denver Post, 12-29-95

[Bridget Burke]

23. How many wanted us dead before we started the torture?

How do they KNOW someone is a member of Al Qaeda? Membership cards?

Glad I've never watched Fox.

[Swamp Rat]

24. Here ya go:

[happydreams]

25. If history teaches us anything its that we learn nothing from history.

Forgot who coined this.

[Fire Walk With Me]

26. They actually said that? The fuss is about not being the world's asshole.

And creating a world that wants to really and truly stop this sort fo behaviour.

Shall we (meaning Distressed American or Swamp Rat) put torture implements in the hands of the Statue of Liberty?

I remember Liberty. What a concept.

Haha, no one expects the American Inquisition!

[SalmonChantedEvening]

27. Silly us and our fussing over things like torture.

And possible retaliation. To our troops. Who you dunces at Fox pretend to support.

Fuckin' A right we're fussing.

[in_cog_ni_to]

28. Innocent Iraqis want us dead? News to me.

All those babies want us dead? They should be taken off the air for that.

[bnr65432]

31. those innocent iraqis who welcomed us and love us for liberating them

Don't the people (if they really can be called people) at Fox remember that all those iraqis love us and want us there?
Why should we torture them?
The people at Fox are flip-floping.

[atommom]

29. Sickening, disgusting, even for Faux.

[Justice Is Comin]

30. We should load them all up in a bus

and drive them to Guantanemo. Bush should drive.

[FreedomAngel82]

32. Oh brother

Fair and balanced my freakin ass. Fox "news" is what's dangerous as well. :mad:

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. Can I torture these folks? I mean if it is not wrong

why not have them volunteer? I promise not to hurt them too much, aka not cause organ damage... (Gonzales's standard) but pulling nails sounds like lots of fun, so does attackhing battery cables to private parts.

[Jed Dilligan]

34. Republicans want US dead, as they've said/shown many times...

So can we go around twisting their nipples and such?

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. twisting nipples is for woozies

here are some real techniques that we may try on them FOX hosts

Water dunking

Removal of nails, one by one, start with the toes.

Hanging them by their wrists for days on end, handcuffs will nicely dig in

I could go on...

Oh and I forgot electrical wire, sans plastic, makes such a good whip, add some low voltage to it and what can I say?

(Yes before you ask I had refugees describe this to me at one point... of course I forgot the old stand by, rape)

[ThoughtCriminal]

36. Because it is not about who they are

It's about who WE are. - Sen. McCain

[benny05]

37. and yet, deaf ears

Thanks for this "bite" T-C.

[antonialee839]

66. and we all know what Fox is. Pure evil.

[NorCalDem]

38. Why the fuss about people who want us dead for torturing them? n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. You surely have heard of the GENEVA convetion?

have you not?

What is more, you realize just how innefective torture is?

And if you agree with torture, is it al right if I torture you a little? I am sure I can get a confesion from you that you were involved in the 9.11 plot... it is that innefective.

[NorCalDem]

73. I meant that as sarcasm

basically, the "terrorists" we're fighting could use the exact same logic to rationalize their actions.

Two wrongs don't make a right, and their argument is essentially to do just that! I'm on your side buddy! :D

[dchill]

39. Why the fuss...?

There is no way to answer this question to Neal Cavuto. This mercenary prick doesn't care about ANYTHING that does not enrich him. That which does not enrich him is un-American and therefore probably "socialist." Hey, I don't like Bill O'Reilly either, but this smug asshole is the one I TRULY cannot watch.

He has obviously never heard of the Golden Rule...or maybe he has, and dreams of being tortured by rabid terrorists.

[spanone]

41. This MUST be a parody, no one could be that fucking stupid.

Do you think?

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. Yes, FOX can

[Chorophyll]

44. Disgusting.

Go over to Media Matters and check out their stories about sexual harassment at Faux News. This network is just an incredible stain on our nation (as if our nation needed any more stains.)
:mad:

[ContraBass Black]

45. That's a photshop, right?

Right?

[Technowitch]

47. Tragically, no

[walldude]

48. So lemme get this straight

They can't release the Abu Ghraib photos because they will embolden out "enemies" to attack us more, but we should be allowed to torture them? I wonder where they plan to draw the line that seperates us from "them"?

[SmokingJacket]

49. 1. Innocent until proven guilty

So you're torturing innocent people by definition.

2. Only monsters torture. It's against international law.

Dipshit!!!

[DanCa]

50. Where the good guys were supposed to be better than this.

I want my country back damnit.

[HughBeaumont]

51. Shillvuto. Figures.

This fat friar has his lips stapled to Grape-Ape's Texas asscheeks. Insufferable Republican fluffer shithead. Someone needs to fish his wig.

And as usual, Swamp Rat pulls forth with the brilliance. :toast:

[Politicub]

52. We are at the crossroads of our existence

Even debating the use of torture is beyond the pale. But if public opinion is able to be shaped to condone the republic's use of torture against its enemies, our country will turn into a living hell. Any of us on the fringes of society or those who are typecast as other will be the victims of the purge.

[Hekate]

78. Agreed; I've thought so ever since Patriot Act 2 was broached

I was never in my life afraid of my own government until I watched Bill Moyers' special on the draft of Patriot Act 2 that was floating around (no surprise) Dick Cheney's and Scooter Libby's offices.

I love my country with all of my heart, and fear it may end up prostituted and debased beyond all recognition.

But hey, that's why all of us are working so hard to restore our democracy, isn't it?

Hekate

[RoBear]

53. For one thing it's unChristian, you fucking hypocrites!

Talkin' out of both sides of your mouth--how's that working out for you?

[debbierlus]

54. Aren't these the Jesus people - turn the other cheek, ya da ya da ya da???

I thought it was for God to judge people, & that we should turn the other cheek & love our enemies....

What a bunch of obvious HYPOCRITES!!!

[DoctorGonzo]

64. Not all Fox enthusiasts all Christian

Many are just posers trying to cover up their racist demagogery. It's amazing what they'll justify. What ever happened to do unto others what you would have done unto yourself????

[katty]

95. true-they're cultists&cowards that ABUSE the rep of Jesus and

real, golden rule Christians

[tanyev]

69. WWJT?

Who Would Jesus Torture?

Nobody. Nowhere. Nohow.

[sakabatou]

55. Fox News should be shot

[Tatiana]

56. Can we just ship these people off to nations that condone torture?

Then ask them how they feel after 3 or 4 years of it?

Better yet, why don't they simply ask SENATOR MCCAIN how he feels about torture? After all, he's someone who would know firsthand about it.

[tlsmith1963]

57. Because...

...we are supposed to be a Democracy. Democracies aren't supposed to torture people. Why would any other countries want to be like us or support us if we torture individuals? We are alienating our allies. *That* is my answer, Fox News!

Tammy

[AuntiBush]

59. Hope to See the Day Faux News Goes

How any one can watch that propaganda-filled, Repuk, divider of Americans station is way beyond me. What they do is far from what being an American is all about.

:puke:

[Gregorian]

60. Let me attach these electrodes, and show you what we mean.

It only hurts when we turn up the voltage.

Hell, as long as it isn't happening to ME, it's ok. Right?

Fuck Fox. Fuck the idiots who don't care about their human neighbors.

[Straight Shooter]

61. Good Lord!

This is just beyond the pale. The new Repub talking point: "They want us dead, so we can torture them with impunity."

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Oh, this is going to go over real well with the rest of the civilized world. :sarcasm:

[katty]

96. OK round 'em up and off to Gitmo they go!

[AnnieBW]

67. This is not who we are

Okay, like most Americans, I admit to having fantasies about torturing Bin Ladin and Zawahiri until they die a slow, painful death. But that's all they are is fantasies. And believe me, those two a**holes truly deserve it, just on general principles. But some guy they've pulled off of the streets of Baghdad? Nah... That's over the top, even in Jack Bauer's world. This is not who we are.

[lonestarnot]

68. Unbelievable!

[Disturbed]

70. If Bin Ladin and Zawahiri deserve to be tortured does this.

concept also apply to child rapists, seriel killers, seriel rapists and other people that commit henious crimes?

[Divine Discontent]

74. SOUNDS TO ME LIKE FOX NEEDS AN "ETHICS REFRESHER"! N/T

[Hekate]

76. Because then we become the monsters we claim to be fighting, that's why

God help us all. Americans are supposed to be better than that -- and if we are not, then what does that make us?

Hekate

[Hekate]

77. self-delete; unintentional dupe

[long_green]

79. Why do they hate America(n soldiers)?

remove that protection from our servicemen and we can expect torture and worse practiced when they become prisoners.

I am forced to realize that that is what the neocons want. They want video of young American men and women being tortured on our televisions. They want to exploit the rage that would result at such a sight. They are just that sick.

They need it, too. Where else can they get a bump in the polls? Usually a disaster like that which destroyed my hometown (Katrina) is batting practice for an ordinary politician. Not these guys. The only way they profit politically is for dark skinned people to kill white American children.

Freakin' ghouls.

[onehandle]

80. I agree with Fox News...

Let's start with the traitorous leakers in our government.

[WritingIsMyReligion]

88. Heh nt

[bloom]

82. It's interesting to me

that these two FOX stories are posted on the same day.

Why All The Fuss About Torturing People?

&

Bad Language Isn't Illegal (downplays sexual harassment)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1910512


So just to be clear - they have no regard for the rights of people in general or women in particular - and esp. the women who work for them.

[edbermac]

83. Why all the fuss about 2,100 soldiers killed in Iraq?

:sarcasm:

[lectrobyte]

84. Where Edward R. Murrow when we really need him? Fox, have you no shame?

[Lowell]

86. Just watching Faux News is torture

[WritingIsMyReligion]

87. Oh, that's cute. REAL cute. nt

[cap]

89. could we just pile up all the Fox Journalists and limbaugh, etc

into a naked pyramid? Just for starters...

I like having all the crap in one pile.

[Lochloosa]

91. Hey I found the guys picture on the screen shot ...what do you think

I think he is the one on the right....

[newspeak]

92. yep, torture really helps

"admit you were screwing with the devil, admit it and we will make the pain go away." "Tell us who else participated in these sexual orgies with the unclean one, just tell us and we will relieve your pain." "betray your neighbors and you will no longer need to suffer." Can you say "inquisition" and in Germany whole neighborhoods were decimated when the inquisition came through. Torture does not work--someone being tortured will admit to anything!!!!

[rman]

93. so what happened to "we don't torture people"?

i guess that position can no longer be maintained?

[Voltaire99]

98. Imagine what sociopaths who watch FOX News would do to you...

...in the event of a social cataclysm in our nation.

The Torture Mind: it doesn't get lower than that.