Feinstein says she was DUPED into voting for war!

[NightOwwl]

Wolf: You voted to authorize the use of force to go to war. Do you feel you were duped?

Feinstein: Yes, and had I known then what I know now I never would have cast that vote. Not in a thousand years.

When I cast that vote I was convinced that Saddam Hussein was an imminent threat...

None of that turned out to be true and that's what bothers many of us. We now believe that the impetus for the American use of force essentially was regime change, pure and simple. Not the cause that was sold to us, which was weapons of mass destruction and their immediate threat to our country

:wow: Dems are rallying!

[KittyWampus]

1. She's A Bellweather All Right.

[berni_mccoy]

2. AWESOME! Thanks for Posting this.

The more it's repeated, the more Americans will WAKE UP TO THE TRUTH!

Keep it going Dems!

[sabra]

3. She was proclaiming similar things last night on Larry King...

Now all we need is Hillary and Lieberman...

[meegbear]

6. I'd think Hillary would ...

but Lieberman would never do anythingagainst his handlers.

[Connie_Corleone]

8. I'm still hoping Hillary will say it.

I won't hold my breath for Lieberman though.

[Walt Starr]

12. If Hillary jumps on the "I was duped" bandwagon, you know for sure

that this is the movement of the future.

We might even see a couple of Republicans jump on the bandwagon before she does. She keeps awfully quiet until she's absolutely certain which way the wind blows.

[katinmn]

61. I've got my fingers crossed but I have my doubts.

I would be very happy to hear it.

She and Bill were at the Rosa Parks funeral today so she has some time.

Jimmy Carter rebuked Bush on the war again today.

[ebal]

91. see post 90. nt

[SlavesandBulldozers]

98. the LAST person we need is Lieberman.

imho.

[Loonman]

4. Thanks, but no thanks, Diane

Jumpin' on the fuckin' bandwagon.


We remember who voted for what and when. Remember, you work for US!.

[berni_mccoy]

9. I don't care if she IS jumping on the bandwagon...

We need ABSOLUTE UNITY AND REPITITION ON THIS POINT.

It needs to be LOUD AND CLEAR AND PLAYED LIKE A BROKEN RECORD.

Only then will Americans have the CHANCE to learn they were lied into a war.

[Connie_Corleone]

13. You're absolutely right. nt

[Loonman]

15. Shikata na gai

I think.

"We have no other options".

I'll take it though, but these Dems should have wised up sooner.

[berni_mccoy]

28. I totally agree... as someone else put it here on DU

If we here at DU were wise enough to distrust Bush, the Dem senators have very little excuse.

The ONLY slack I'll give them is we DO NOT KNOW what classified info they may have been given that was falsified. I'd LOVE TO KNOW WHAT they were told in secret by the admin...

[EFerrari]

78. Yes, we do. That NIE has been partially declassified and it

is full of QUALIFIERS.

[leftchick]

43. EXACTLY!

and no more of this "we need more troops" shit. I hope the hell they are all done with that.

[MADem]

59. Absolutely

It is customary for citizens to assume that their president is honest. The one who should be catching shit is the monkey--he and his crew did the lying, cheating and stealing, not the senators who wrongly believed that our leader would have integrity and not bullshit the Congress and the American people simply to advance his own greedy, blood-soaked, crony agenda.

Hey, as the monkey sez: Fool me once, unnnnh, uhhhhhh...won't git fooled agin!!!

[JudyM]

70. I caught the clip of her proclamation and I was impressed, actually

She went into detail about how much she dug around through the available intelligence prior to the war vote, and seemed very believable to me about how frustrating it was to only be 'fed' what the WH meted out. Ultimately, she said the info supporting war appeared to be there.

[Terran]

71. YES, Thank you!

I'm SICK of all these DU'ers luxuriating in recriminations against the Dems who voted for the invasion. Goddammit people, we need ALL the Dems and as many Repubs as we can get to be unanimous: "We were LIED to!!" FUCK that bullshit about "Thanks but no thanks Dianne," that's just idiotic. If your Dem Senator hasn't said this yet you need to email his or her office and ENCOURAGE them to do so. Some of them are afraid to admit they were stupid or careless or just gave into pressure. They have to do the right thing NOW!

[rndmprsn]

100. agreed

[derby378]

114. Sorry - Feinstein had her chance, and she BLEW IT

Time for some new Democratic blood in the Senate - someone who won't be fooled by drawings and hearsay into sending our troops into harm's way.

[Terran]

132. Your position is so completely illogical it astounds me.

So you think we should just count Feinstein out, not seek her support for any future action against Bush? How about all the other Senators who voted for the invasion? You DO realize that's nearly the entire Senate, don't you? Could you be any more nihilistic about this?

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

[ultraist]

82. We do need unity against the war.

They fucked up but we need their voices and support to end the war.

There's no point in burning them at the stake now that they are willing to speak out.

[Jersey Devil]

113. Hell yes! Let's get the ball rolling without recriminations

I don't care what they said before. Jump on that damned bandwagon so we can ride it to next November.

[derby378]

116. Feinstein is a broken spoke on the bandwagon

Unless we replace the spoke, that wheel isn't gonna get us the Democratic victory we need in 2006. She's a fucking Jonah now.

[NightOwwl]

19. I don't understand reactions like this.

Seems to me, we've been begging our Dem leaders to come out and admit they were duped by the Bush administration. Would you rather she just continue to spout the Bush line?

I just don't get it.

[Loonman]

22. Dude, we've known the WMD claims were bogus from day 1

It's now years later.

[Walt Starr]

32. Dude, if you don't welcome them into the fold

the war goes on indefinitely!

You are desroying your own cause by being a purist! Peopel screw up. The sign of a big person is the ability to admit when they are wrong!

[NightOwwl]

33. First - I'm a dudette, not a dude.

Second - Would you rather she continue to say voting for war was a good thing?

[NNN0LHI]

37. There was no indictment confirming it though until just last week, dude

Its now just days later.

Don

[stevietheman]

79. Well, good for you. But we should welcome everyone else as they...

wake up. This "I told you so" crap is getting old.

[LondonReign2]

34. The point is yeah, it is nice and all

But why the fuck didn't they figure that out long ago? We all did. We know the stories were bullshit almost as fast as they were being peddled. Aluminum tubes? Debunked alomost real time. Niger docs? We knew they were cheap forgeries.

So why couldn't our elected Dems figure it out? Why couldn't they have said this 18 months ago, or as soon as it was obvious there were no WMDs? That could have changed the 2004 election.

So, again, nice and all, but it is just a convenient excuse for the last 4 years.

[Loonman]

41. Thank you!

I like that Dems are finally stepping up to the plate, but c'mon!

[Peace Patriot]

74. Look, they didn't have our addresses (yet) for where to send the anthrax

envelopes to. Nor the flight plans of our small planes. I'd give them a break, if they step up now and stop this madness. We're a lot smarter now than we were a year ago, as to what to look for in wiggle language (i.e., "timelines" for withdrawal, etc.). Give them some brownie points for a unified antiwar message, and keep a sharp eye on them--and, remember who voted for and against, as to whom we should consult for the most truthfulness.

The new message from the War Democrats--that they were lied to, and that the war was based on lies--gives me hope that the Diebold and ES&S "TRADE SECRET," PROPRIETARY programming code that has turned our elections into a joke, is not so easily riggable, as to large numbers, and as to election day tweaking. I have thought this before, but the Dems actually responding to public opinion (which has been opposed to the war in great numbers since before the invasion--58%, Feb. '03), now that it's a bit safer to do so (and I don't say that lightly), makes me think that they think that our opinion might count, to some degree at least, in future elections. And the numbers are now so antiwar and anti-Bush, we may be looking at landslides so overwhelming as to blow the electronic fraud formulae out of the black box.

There is the possibility that Diebold and ES&S will install a War Democrat in '08 for their own strategic reasons--such as starting to shift the blame for Bush's disasters onto the Democrats (and to get a Draft, which Bush can't do), preparatory to a worse junta in '12. This might be combined with giving the majority a few (but not too many) wins in '06, to direct attention away from the secret vote tabulation and other grave problems with electronic voting, and stop the election reform movement.

In that regard, we should be wary of campaign lying by the War Democrats--f.i., their promising no Draft (but intending to reverse it later); or their promising withdrawal from Iraq (but then pulling a "Gulf of Tonkin" to go into Iran). Truly, they are not to be trusted on war issues, and must we watched like hawks (doves?).

But whatever the upshot of this Dem reversal on Iraq--whether it means that we will get a real representative of the majority into the WH (not likely), or a Diebolded War Democrat, or a War Democrat in sheep's clothing elected by a blowout--I think we have to understand that this may be our one opportunity to get swift, true election reform by Congress on a national basis. Even a War Democrat has to pay lip service to progressive values, such as transparent elections. That should be our focus--priority no. 1.

We should also be aware of what happened in Germany in the early 1930s--the fracturing of the center/left that gave Hitler his opening. We should do everything we can to hold the center-left together, short of knuckling under to more fascism (by another name).

The political situation is very weird. In essence, we have only one political party in this country. The Republicans are a junta--hijacked by the Neocon cabal. They are not a political party any more--and will likely go through a serious purging. So we just have the Democrats, with the money and power to get anything done. And almost all policy proposals and movements have to go through them, to affect national policy. And it will be a sore temptation, if they do not make a genuine effort to represent the true majority, to bash the hell out of them, and even form another party, or join the Greens.

I'm not telling anyone what to do--especially on conscience issues. I'm just saying, be aware of what Diebold and ES&S *MEAN* to our political system, and what corporate rule MEANS (the great distortions that these two things have brought about), and strategize accordingly. I hate the fact that we have a choice between corporatized and war-supporting Dem leaders, on the one hand, and outright fascists on the other. But, in order to correct it, we must first of all restore transparent elections, and second, do everything we can to prevent a political meltdown in these very dangerous times.

The Bush junta looting of our economy is likely going to bring hard financial times. It cannot be reversed quickly or easily--although there are a few simple measures that would bring some immediate relief: withdrawal from Iraq, and restoration of a just taxation policy. (Recovery of some of the billions "lost" in Iraq would also help.)

The tension is going to be between the financial disaster that the Bush junta has created, and the ability/willingness of the Dems to take corrective measures, and to keep some of the burden off the poor and middle class. But burden it will be. (And that doesn't even count items like the Bush junta letting China get hold of the paper on our debt--talk about treason!).

Anyway, I think we've got to help hold the center-left together until the people of this country have re-acquired some of their sovereign power--particularly the right to vote. Then, let the badly, badly needed, long term and deeper reforms begin (--such as single payer health care, undoing corporate personhood, banning private money from political campaigns, and opening up the political process to new ideas.)

[Walt Starr]

27. WELCOME ALL BANDWAGON JUMPERS TO THE BANDWAGON!!!

and do so with open arms!

If we are to bring our troops home safely and stop the killing, we need Feinstein!

[NightOwwl]

36. Thank you Walt!

What are people thinking? Sometimes all I can do is shake my head and sigh.

[Little Star]

58. Amen n/t

[NightOwwl]

107. Welcome to DU Little Star

:hi:

[Little Star]

127. Thanks NightOwwl n/t

[goclark]

96. There is plenty of room on the PEACE Bandwagon!

I wish that we would wake up tomorrow and the Chimp would say,"I was a fool. Don't Wanta study war no more,it's over!"


He and the Crime Family may never jump on the bandwagon but pretty soon, the wagon will be leaving without them.

Let the wheels turn!

PEACE

[hippiegranny]

131. Exactly!

The bottom line isn't to keep score and rack up nanny nanny boo-boo's - it is to STOP THE KILLING. I'd rather have them late to the party than not to show up at all!

[yankeedem]

5. Now if John Kerry had said that last year

He'd be president right now, the troops would be on their way home, and we would have two less wingnutty Supreme Court justices.

Why do the females have most of the balls on our side?

[noahmijo]

16. He did say it last year

Thank the "liberal media" for reporting it once maybe twice but he did say it during at least one speech that I remember back around September '04.

[yankeedem]

24. And then he said he would do it again

I know he meant the "resolution to go to war if conditions were met". But the populace isn't going to parse that out. He needed to say- "I was duped and lied to".

[noahmijo]

39. yea that I agree with Kerry suffered from too much "smartspeak"

In other words he spoke as if the entire country had an IQ of at least 110 and could understand all them fancy schmancy words he was using when the truth is you have to boil everything down to quick simple soundbites otherwise you lose the audience.

Hey I'm not being sarcastic it's the truth, in this country you have to say it quick and simple "I find the flavor of apples of to be very delicious and what's more they are healthy for you!"

Nope that has to be cut to "Apples taste good!!" then follow it by "God Bless 'Murica!!"

[globalvillage]

103. Yes, and he has said it repeatedly.

In very simple and clear language. Here are three. There are more. And you're right. The problem was not what he said or how he said it. The problem was that the media did not report it.

my regret is that this President proved he not only didn’t know how to do it right, but was prepared to go back on his promises, be deceptive, and mislead the nation. I regret that he did that, and I regret that I put any trust in him at all. I shouldn’t have, obviously.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/122203A.shtml

Did I think Bush was going to charge unilaterally into war? No. Did I think he would make such an incredible mess of the situation? No. Am I angry about it? You're God damned right I am. I chose to believe the President of the United States. That was a terrible mistake."

http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/121003A.shtml

"I will not let off the hook throughout this campaign with respect to America's credibility and credibility to me, because if he lied, he lied to me personally. I believe I can hold President Bush accountable if they have misled us," Mr. Kerry said.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20030623-122726-4425r.htm

[noahmijo]

108. I KNEW IT THANK YOU

I knew he had said it before but I had only heard him say it on tv and maybe read it once but never bothered to save any links or tape any shows because I never thought I'd get caught in arguing on this particular issue

[blm]

23. And the media would have parted the Red Sea for him? And Diebold? ES&S?

I think the media would have piled on even more back then.

They're only being halfway honest now because Katrina laid bare the lies they pushed about the mythical image of Bush as a leader.

[lazarus]

7. Well

I told you. So did hundreds of thousands of other constituents in your state.

Hmm....

[Wetzelbill]

10. Good ol' Frankenfeinstein, now she should denounce about 1000 other votes

[Arugula Latte]

11. Hey, Di-Fi, hundreds of thousands of us called the Capitol.

You were warned.

We frickin' TOLD you so.

Cry me a river. It won't bring back the tens of thousands of dead.

:nopity:

[Tamarin]

14. Yes, she said that she did not have access to

document like PDA's and that she believed the admin had information that she did not.

[longship]

17. Ding!!!

Hillareeeeee!

Oh Hillareeeeee!!!!

We have something we want to discuss with you.

[NightOwwl]

50. Come out, come out where ever you are....

Hillary, is that you? :hide:

[Mutley]

18. Someone finally lit a fire under the Dem's collective ass!

Sorry for the swearing -- it comes out in me when I get excited.

Nominated. :thumbsup:

[stevedeshazer]

20. About time you got here, Dianne

I'm glad you made the party, but aren;t you about, oh, THREE YEARS TOO LATE?

But I'm glad you're here. :toast:

[NightOwwl]

25. IMO...better late than never. n/t

[yankeedem]

30. Too bad 2025 soldiers (and some Iraqis too)

couldn't come to the party, because they are dead. in part because people like Feinstein chose to believe the president.

[NightOwwl]

42. And what would you suggest she do now? n/t

[yankeedem]

46. Maybe she could give back the money

she and her husband made pimping war.
http://www.sf.indymedia.org/news/2003/04/1603517.php

found more
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/03/13/BUGIJ5JL7E1.DTL

[NightOwwl]

49. I agree. n/t

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

97. Yes. It explains a lot.

[GreenArrow]

64. maybe she could resign

.

[Catrina]

65. I think she should do exactly what she

just did. But she, and anyone else who took three years, waited for the right political climate to be brave enough to take the right position, should expect consequences for refusing to listen to the millions of people who got that this was a lying, criminal administration, lusting for war from day one.

Maybe if she had read the PNAC like many of us, who in some cases, never were involved in politics before, she might have known the right thing to do.

I will never forget the night of that vote. I remember Sen. Byrd's powerful, passionate speech begging his colleagues in the Senate not to give away Congress' right to decide when this country goes to war, because they gave a president sole control over that, without the debate that would have made their lies more obvious.

But one by one, Hillary, Diane, Biden, Lieberman et al, chose not to respect a man who was far more trustworthy than the pretender in the WH. Why did they not trust Byrd, but trusted Bush? Surely Byrd had the same information they had? It was a sad, sad spectacle.

Sorry, I'm glad she's on board, finally, but I'm not overly impressed. There is simply no excuse that it took this long, and I'm pretty exhausted from listening to war supporters point to Democrats to justify their support for the war, and to question my opposition to it.

I guess she's a number, added to the growing chorus against the war. Her statement is valuable only from that point of view and I'll take it. But so many human beings are not here to appreciate it now.

Sen. Rockefeller said he was sorry long ago. Why did it take her three years? Does she read? Does she watch television, listen to the radio? I don't understand the rush to forgive these people for what they did. Accept their apology yes, but don't forget. I will always be wary of them.

What's keeping Hillary? Is she waiting for permission from the DLC? If so, I doubt she'll get it ~ too bad these politicians forget, as soon as they are elected, who they represent. The majority of the American people were against this war. That's who she should have trusted.

[meganmonkey]

31. Her punishment is that all the good beer is gone

and she has to toast with Schlitz :toast:

:)

[deadparrot]

21. And DiFi's pretty DINO, isn't she? nt

[NightOwwl]

26. And a DLC'er. n/t

[Sequoia]

29. Well, I sent her an email before that and asked her not to vote

on it because I KNEW there wasn't any WMDs in Iraq. But did she listen....no-o-o-o. Scott Ritter and other weapons inspectors said the same thing. But, we all make mistakes.

[Gregorian]

40. Same here. We warned and pleaded with her.

Sorry Feinstein. You had the same info Boxer and the rest had.

I've heard her husband made a killing off the war.

[Larkspur]

35. Yet two thirds of the Dems overall were not duped!!!

These sudden rash of apologies for pro-IWR Dems is proof that Gephardt's apology was a trial balloon.

While these apologies are long overdue, they do not absolve these Dems from their willingness to abdicate Congressional oversight to the Exec Branch.

[MadHound]

38. So after tens of thousands have died, DiFi wakes up?!

About damn time, in fact it is long past time.

If she had been doing her job, which is to represent the collective will of her constituents, she would have voted against the IWR, and she wouldn't be in this position now.

I'm sorry, but I have no sympathy nor forgiveness for these doves come lately. "I was duped" simply doesn't cut it for me. First off, millions and millions of people in this country weren't duped one little bit. Secondly, if she had been doing her job and listening to what her constituents wanted rather than what her corporate masters wanted, she would have voted against the IWR. But for her to claim that she was duped simply makes her look like she is too damn stupid and gullible to be on the Hill, and should be replaced at the soonest opportunity.

[NightOwwl]

45. My post was not intended to evoke sympathy or forgiveness.

Feinstein coming out against the war shows a trend...that I believe will end with the Dems presenting a unified force against the war.

[MadHound]

53. I know, I wasn't taking it as such

I'm just tired of these forced mea culpas after all of this time and all of these needless deaths. If she had just done her job, representing the collective will of her constituents, then we wouldn't be in this mess.

[DearAbby]

44. sudden rash of apologies...fine, now lets work the problem

bring our troops home NOW!

[Beaverhausen]

48. i agree- we can't change the past, we can only work to get out of Iraq

the sooner the better.

If DiFi wants to be reelected next year she will sign onto one of the plans to get our troops out.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

47. Her hubby has been making money hand over fist because of her being

"duped". He owns a portion of a company that received a $600 million oontract by the army.......

[AntiFascist]

62. In a way this makes it all the more impressive....

she is now turning against Condi Rice. We can't defend people who have profited from the war, though, that fact stands on its own.

[librechik]

51. at last, the Dems are helping!

if only they had done this last year.

[David Zephyr]

52. John Kerry also said he "was misled".

This is not a new stance by Feinstein who said pretty much the same thing last year...that she would not have voted for the war had she known what she does now.

On the other hand, my brilliant other Senator from California, Barbara Boxer voted AGAINST the war in Iraq...

She was not "duped" or "misled". I thinks that makes her a better Senator personally.

[NightOwwl]

54. She's my Senator too!

I love her. :loveya:

[GreenArrow]

68. "She (Boxer) was not "duped" or "misled".

Neither was Feinstein. She knew what she was voting for. Things just didn't turn out the way she thought they would. Her judgement and principles are forever tainted.

[SittingBull]

55. Some Politicians seem to live

in Wolkenkuckucksheim.

Everybody in the whole world knew the lies.

[SoCalDem]

56. Better to have said "I'm just sorry I voted for it"

and I wish I could take it back..I wish they would all quit trying to have it both ways.:grr:

[LittleClarkie]

57. Bandwagon or no bandwagon, good for her

It's definitely becoming a trend, eh?

[AntiFascist]

60. Good for her!!!

and she's a moderate!

On Edit: AND she's on the intelligence committee!!!!!

[Hekate]

63. Gettin' there, DiFi. You've got my vote back.

All along I've thought that her committee was the target of really intense disinformation disguised as top-secret briefings. They looked fairly shaken when they went on camera back then.

Welcome on board the bandwagon Senator Feinstein, there's plenty of room and lots to do.

Hekate

[WinkyDink]

66. "Was duped" implies the Dem is a fool, a gull, a naif, AND

is in the PASSIVE VOICE, no "actor" involved ("duped" BY WHOM??).
We need to say, "The Administration from the top down LIED", and put the ACTIVE VOICE on the Bushites.

[Sapphocrat]

67. I wish I could find a copy of her email newsletter...

...(canned, of course) sent in response to my impassioned, eleventh-hour plea for her to vote against the war resolution.

She wrote, in essence, that she had received tens of thousands of calls and letters -- and if she were to follow the wishes of her constituents, she would have to vote no.

But she had privileged information she couldn't share with the general public, so couldn't go into detail about why she was voting for it.

That's very paraphrased, but that was the gist of it.

P.S. I followed up with a reply that assured her she would never get my vote again, under any circumstances. And she won't.

[catchnrelease]

106. I remember it well

Have not forgotten that same form letter response from DF. You did get the gist of it right. I couldn't believe she actually said that if she voted based on what her constituents wanted, she'd vote no. Isn't that what she's supposed to do.....represent us?

Yes, unity is important right now, but I sure won't ever depend on her supporting the liberal side again.

[Sapphocrat]

124. In theory, yeah...

Isn't that what she's supposed to do.....represent us?

Of course, the argument is that ours isn't a direct democracy, blah, blah, blah... an argument that doesn't hold water with me, either.

And I'll do my best to stick with the unified front, too -- but at some point, you have to decide how far you can bend before you finally break. DINO Di-Fi is California's Joe Lieberman -- and if I had to choose between No-MoJoe and a box of rocks, I'd take the box of rocks.

(I'm just amazed by the general public's impression that Di-Fi is even "moderate," much less "liberal." I guess if, in the current political climate, you don't condone burning homosexuals at the stake, you're a "liberal.")

Btw, welcome to DU! :hi:

[Tower]

69. Wow- if that Republicrat gasbag Feinstein is jumping ship,

the SS Bush must really be going down.

[barbaraann]

72. Those are just meaningless words UNLESS

she has a way to make sure that nothing like that will EVER happen again. It's like a drunk saying that are sorry they got drunk without getting alcoholism treatment.

Being an enabler of the military-industrial complex means always having to say you are sorry AFTER EVERY SINGLE GODDAMNED WAR YOU VOTE FOR and never really being sorry that you are a part of the perpetual war machine.

Something is fundamentally wrong and it should be fixed.

[Pastiche423]

73. I suppose since hubby, Dickie

has already made his mega $$$ from his defense contracts, it's o-kay for her to get on the "We were mislead" bandwagon.

[slaveplanet]

75. Sorry Dianne, but we don't need dupes

We need savvy , above average in intelligence, and well above average courage to represent our interests....you are sadly lacking...the gullible need not apply....vote for this repub in dem clothing at your own risk...sadly there will probably be no other dem choice that can challenge her....

[joeybee12]

Great that they're unifying, BUT I don't believe her at all...

...I'll keep my mouth shut (somewhat) for unity, but DiFi is a big fat liar--she knew what was going on, but she cowered like so many others because they feared the backlash in actually standing for something!

[Tatiana]

76. WELCOME, Senator Feinstein to the GetthehellouttaIraq bandwagon!

We've got more than enough room for you and the rest of the country.

[SalviaBlue]

77. She is my Senator, I sent this letter:

Dear Senator:

I understand you are owning up to your mistake in agreeing to attack Iraq. I am glad you have finally come around and that you are woman enough to admit you were wrong. I was one of the people who said this was a war for oil. I have always known that the Bush was lying. I have been ridiculed for years for the stand I have taken. I have been called naïve, stupid, and, of course, un-American. But I can’t deny the truth. There have been so many indicators that the Bush administration are liars. There seems to be daily revelations regarding the depth of their deceit. We have been overwhelmed by the onslaught of the daily lies and spin. I have a hard time understanding how people who seem smart in other ways are so easily mislead by the propaganda. I can only now thank God that America is waking up. Good Morning Senator.

You are quoted today as saying “We now believe that the impetus for the American use of force essentially was regime change, pure and simple.” It is not pure and simple!!! Why did they want regime change? Who wants regime change? Who profits from this murderous war? These are the answers we need. I will bet you $300 billion dollars that if you know who was in Cheney’s private energy policy meetings, you will know who profits from regime change in Iraq. Do the PNACers profit? Yes. Do the Saudis and ARAMCO profit? Yes again. We need to just get real here. These thugs are using our American might (our children) to secure resources for their own profit. They are criminals. I want them out of my government. This is supposed to be a Democracy – of the people, by the people, for the people. It has become a government of the corporation, by the corporation, for the corporation. These people want to control everything – profit is their God.

Thank you for taking a stand – now go get those bastards and give us back America.

[ultraist]

87. "America is waking up. Good morning Senator."

:bounce: I love those lines and that it really is happening.

Democrats unite against the war. :patriot:

[niallmac]

80. Don't be mad. Be Glad. They was HIP NO TYZED!

We knew the the war was evil and we tried to tell them but Ming the Merciless had them under his control. Well that's all over now. Help pull them into the life boat. We have work to do.

[MisterP]

and be sure to give lots of money to us!

because we politicans never make the same 'mistake' twice!

[niallmac]

111. I want to help the ethically challenged. Is that so bad?

[MisterP]

117. just feelin' a wee bit caustic

[MisterP]

109. dupli-dupli-duplicate

[niallmac]

110. huh?

[mattclearing]

81. This shit pisses me off.

Gore and Dean knew better, and made the correct choice. As Earl G pointed out, all of DU knew better too.

These fucking assholes (That's right, I said it) went along with the war because they were afraid to oppose Bush when he was strong, and now that he is weak, they are suddenly ashamed of themselves?

FUCK THAT.

I want a loud and public apology from every Dem who decides this was a mistake. I want them to cry on television for every kid they helped get killed.

This conveniently-timed mea culpa is not enough.

[B Calm]

85. I would rather hear apologies from republicans first! After all they

were the ones who started this damn war!

[mattclearing]

125. Yeah, but they might not have gotten away with it if Dems had

held them accountable in the first place.

[Ladyhawk]

86. Yeah, but what are we gonna do NOW?

It pisses me off, too, but at least they've jumped on the fucking bandwagon. Let's get some momentum out of this, at least. Let's use these spineless Dems to end the war and bring the truth to the American people.

[ultraist]

92. I'd rather have them work to end the war than "cry on tv."

Fuck the contrition BS. We need ACTION. They are starting to step up and speak the truth.

Keep it coming Democrats.

[Ladyhawk]

83. OK, Feinstein. Now let's DO something about it, mmmkay? n/t

[ClassWarrior]

88. If she's yours, call her and demand she sign the Feingold Resolution.

NGU.

[proud patriot]

84. Good for her

:thumbsup:

[FreedomAngel82]

89. Wow

Call me surprised! :crazy:

[ebal]

90. No way Hillary is going to say that

She said in her 2002 speech in the Senate, about the US policy for Iraq was regime change...

http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html

"In 1998, the United States also changed its underlying policy toward Iraq from containment to regime change and began to examine options to effect such a change, including support for Iraqi opposition leaders within the country and abroad."

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001."

[ultraist]

93. If Hillary doesn't, she will get left behind.

Democrats unite against the war. :patriot:

[B Calm]

94. Hillary has been a big disappointment!

You do know before meeting Bill she was a college republican!

[Mach V]

95. Libby Arraignment Tomorrow

CASE NUMBER: 1:2005-cr-00394-RBW Judge Walton
USA vs LIBBY
11/03/2005 10:30AM Courtroom 5 Arraignment

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
333 Constitution Ave., NW
Washington, DC 20001



If you are in DC, bring your signs to help maintain a media presence on this case.

[AntiCoup2K4]

99. So Diane, if you feel so bad about the war.....

Why don't you take every last dime of blood money your husband has made from this fascist fuckup, and donate it to children whose fathers have died because you were "duped".

[in_cog_ni_to]

101. OK. The Dems have had their meeting and THIS is their new stance AND

I have heard about 3 Senators say the issue of the Iraq invasion would never have made it to the Senate because of the lack of evidence/intelligence to support it. They have FINALLY seen the light. Sheesh...talk about SLOW!

[tgnyc]

102. It's safe to come out now: * is at 35% and there was an indictment

That's all it took.

[kohodog]

104. It sounds like she's going to be DUPED into voting for Alito too.

At least that's what she'll say after a few draconian rulings by the new and improved fascist SCOTUS.

[kohodog]

105. Edit: DUPE!!

[derby378]

112. Too little, too late, Dianne - you were asleep at the switch

It would serve you right if Cindy Sheehan challenged you for your Senate seat.

[foreigncorrespondent]

115. Well...

...perhaps if she had of bloody well listened to her constituents letters regarding this, she wouldn't find herself in this position now.

I used to have a lot of respect for Di-Fi, but since * stole office, she has shown herself to be nothing more than a dino!

[walldude]

118. Please.. these people were not "misled"

They were chickenshit. Anyone who publicly questioned the drive to war was either excoriated in the media, or outright fired. No politican would risk being labeled "terrorist supporter or un-American" by voting no. Many laymen with half the information the politicos are privy to figured it out. All you had to do was read the damn PNAC document. They needed an event of "Pearl Harbor" proportions to get their Middle East takeover going and they got it on 9/11. As soon as Bush started talking about Iraq, anyone who had read the PNAC document knew there was no stopping the war.

[derby378]

120. So how do you explain Howard Dean?

His opposition to the invasion turned him into the Dems' version of a rock star almost overnight. The DLC had to flex all their might to kill Dean's 2004 bid so that Kerry would get the nomination instead.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

122. Maybe you're not getting the Big Picture....

...Most Americans, including conservatives in both parties, no longer trust ANYTHING coming out of NeoCon mouths. Anyone saying now that they were misled about the reasons for invading Iraq are ADDING to the current growing sense that the NeoCons have lied about EVERYTHING.

IMHO, that means that everything is going to be investigated, including election fraud and 911.

[WhiteTara]

119. OMG The sky is filled with

Flying PIGS!

[struggle4progress]

121. Hey, Dianne! I can get you a great deal on a slightly used bridge!

[Dr Fate]

123. I'm glad she is drawing attention to Bush's dishonesty. n/t

n/t

[burythehatchet]

126. This is such nonsense on the part of Dianne Feinstien

How come I didn't get duped? Dems aren't rallying, they're sticking their finger in the air to see if the wind is right...especially Feinstien.

[malmapus]

128. *cough*bull$hi+*cough*

I get sick every time I hear a Senator now say this crap. Too many of us average Joe's n Janes's on the street saw through BS that Bush was shoveling.

Can't stand anyone who voted to support giving Bush a blank check now coming out and saying "If I only knew!!"

[oregonindy]

129. so how the hell were they duped when we werent? I really hate 99%

of the politicians out there. grrrrrr

[IronLionZion]

130. The only thing that surprises me about all this

is why didn't the neo-cons PLANT some fake WMDs and hide the Made in USA label???

That's why so many sensible people voted for the IWR. Hell, of course they knew it was bullshit! We all knew! But surely they expected Rove to plant some weapons and make us all look like traitors.

I've been thinking about this a lot and you should too. Some of us expected it right before the election as an "October Surprise". Either they are just too incompetent to plant anything, or they are just so arrogant that they don't have to answer to anyone about anything! They just do it for the no-bid contracts. Halliburton is barely the tip of the iceberg. You'd be shocked at how much money is going to private companies you've never heard of.

A nation that gets toppled in 21 days is not a threat to anyone. A nation that that spends trillions of dollars that it doesn't have to finance it's out-of-control military industrial complex is a threat to everyone including itself.