Bill Sheister(CNN) Brings up Democrat's war vote

[annagull]

He does a little piece about how Kerry, Gep, Lieberman, and Edwards voted for the war resolution, how they were following a "script" that hasn't turned out the way it was written. Says Dean is able to do his I told you so's since the war is more controversial than anyone thought it would be. I can't stand this guy Bill Schneider(Shiester), but he does tow the WH line so we know what their attacks are focusing on--calling the war voters hypocrites.

[chimpymustgo]

1. Dean is once again hurting the party to advance himself.

Bay Buchanan jumped right on the hypocrite line - totally agreeing with Dean. That's when you know you've got a problem. Thanks, Howard.

[The_Counsel]

3. Huh? How So...?

If Dean is saying that those who voted for the war resolution have no right to say "I told you so," well... then he's right.

How does it "hurt the party" to tell the truth...?

[chimpymustgo]

5. He's attacking the other candidates and calling them names.

Why can't he just state his own position? No, that's too clean. Gotta get down and dirty and accuse other Dem candidates of hypocrisy, etc. He's writing the script for the Republicans - and that hurts our party.

He really disgusts me.

[The_Counsel]

8. Who? Dean Or Schneider?

I really don't think it's an "attack" to say that any member of the 107th Congress who voted for Bush's war resolution ought not be trusted with the Presidency themselves. Hell, I've been saying the same thing since that travesty went down.

What's Dean supposed to do? Campaign for his opponents?

What names did he call his opponents that are so offensive, and why am I already convinced we've already heard far worse from the GOP...?

[Outvoicer]

11. huh?

you're blaming Dean for a report by Bill Sneider?

His commentary is Dean's fault?

I'm confused.

[Outvoicer]

12. Who actually said "I told you so"

Did Dean actually say this or was it Sneider's conjecture?

Also, how does "I told you so" amount to calling people names?

[annagull]

13. Dean never said "I told you so", that was Schneider (Mr. Rumbold)

dean said (paraphrase) 'I didn't support this war, I didn't think the evidence was there to justify a war, and it looks like I'm being proven right.'

edit: not "evoldence", evidence!

[Cha]

15. And you are always "jumping on" Dean, so you have no

credibility!

Like white on rice you are always there with your little axe.

[Pastiche423]

17. MOMMY, Howie called me a name!

lol. Do you not see how silly that sounds?

Your anti-PWD, pretty boy DLCer voted for *'s slaughter. He did the crime, now he must pay the time. Is he man enough?

[Outvoicer]

9. blinded by the light

You're fervent partisanship has blinded you a glaring fact.

They ARE hypocrites!

[ulysses]

14. huh?

As if the anti-Dean factions in the party haven't been using his position on Iraq against him, and as if they wouldn't be gloating now if the war had come to its expected conclusion.

It's a primary *election*. Screw Bay Buchanan. If she wants to use the situation, don't blame Dean - blame the ones who were on the wrong side of the damned vote.

[Kahuna]

19. Not necessarily true Uly...

I think the criticism of the four is very valid. And you know that I am NOT a Dean supporter. I was never a Dean supporter or a supporter of any of those four. So there. :P

Contrary to what Dean would have you to believe, he is not the only candidate to oppose the Iraq Resolution. Kucinich and Graham opposed it with their votes.

Also, the person who I really want to see run and win, General Wesley Clark, also opposed it.

So the Deanies shouldn't be so quick to believe that because the, "Spineless Four" have been damaged because of their votes that Dean is the only alternative left. He is not.

[Kahuna]

18. It's not like voters wouldn't have figured it out anyway...

As I have said. Those four candidates in their attempt to seem like macho killers like bush have damaged themselves. You see, as bush goes down they are going down with him. I can't say I feel sorry for any of them. I just don't. People have died and are still dying because of their cowardice and political ambition.

[Loonman]

2. Back then, Bush had the benefit of the doubt

Geez Louise, don't these fools have a concept of anything?

What a load of crap.

"Face it Flounder, you screwed up, you trusted us"

-- Animal House

[annagull]

4. lol! Love the "Flounder" reference, Loonman!

That was a good one!

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[revcarol]

7. Didn't bother to mention that Kucinich voted against it?

Oh, I forgot, Kucinich the invisible man.He must be SO DANGEROUS that they cannot even mention his name.

[annagull]

10. I didn't expect Mr. AEI Schnieder to bring up Kucinich

He didn't mention Bob Graham, either--just that "Liberal" Howard Dean.

[Bushfire]

21. I'm glad you made the reference to

AEI...coming from their own website

http://www.aeipoliticalcorner.org/ws.htm

William Schneider, a resident scholar at AEI, is one of the country's leading political commentators and is CNN's senior political analyst. His columns appear regularly in National Journal and the Los Angeles Times. He has also written extensively on politics and public opinion for the New Republic, The Atlantic Monthly, the Washington Post and other publications. Mr. Schneider's analysis is regularly features on CNN's daily show, "Inside Politics." more...

:wtf: is the LA Times paying this dude for? I thought the LA Times was more progressive than that. He is NOT to be trusted as a commentator, journalist, grave digger, or bagging groceries.

:shrug:

[blm]

16. MWO predicted this exact tact from the mediawhores....

No surprise they'll dump on any Dem candidate that can really hurt Bush.

[DFLforever]

20. The pro-resolution senators left themsevles open to this charge

serves them right, imo...they don't appear nearly as clever as they did last October, do they? Edwards, Kerry, Lieberman made serious political miscalculations with their Iraq vote; do they actually expect no one to mention it?

[blm]

22. You would prefer Kerry and Gephardt DIDN'T negotiate

to get Bush to the UN, put inspectors back or present evidence of WMDs to the UN? Isn't that their job?

If NO Dem legislator would have negotiated their votes, then Bush would have had his war with NO UN and wouldn't have bothered with ANY evidence. Yep...he'd be sitting pretty today.

[Kahuna]

23. Yeah but, blm..

Only a fool would have believed that once bush got approval to act in the national security of this country that he wouldn't turn around and do whatever he wanted which was his pattern.

Bush has a pattern of behavior that was quite predictable. No amount of adding nicey nice diplomacy language in the world can change that. And they should have know it. I'm sorry but I will never believe that any of them were stupid enough to trust bush. And if they did trust him they are probably unfit to lead.

Please don't take this as me bashing them because I support another candidate and one who has yet to declare. I will vote for whomever wins the nomination. But, I'm just being totally honest about the way I feel about their resolution votes. I truly believe that if bush goes down they will go down with him. And that is not a good thing. Yet it may be unavoidable because of their own foolishness.

The repukes had better be careful about this game they're playing in making these dems co-conspirators with bush. They could end up with a president Dean. Wouldn't that just serve them right? }(