Fitzgerald has decided to seek indictments, those near inquiry say

[Mabus]

Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald has decided to seek indictments in the outing of Valerie Plame Wilson and has submitted at least one to the grand jury, those close to the investigation tell RAW STORY.

Fitzgerald will seek at least two indictments, the sources say. They note that it remains to be seen whether the grand jury will approve the charges.

Those familiar with the case state that Fitzgerald likely will not seek indictments that assert officials leaked Plame's name illegally. Rather, they say that he will focus charges in the arena of lying to investigators.

RAW STORY has not learned who Fitzgerald is seeking to charge. Reports indicate that of those fingered in the case, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, is in the most jeopardy. President Bush's Deputy Chief of Staff, Karl Rove, also appears to have given conflicting testimony to the grand jury.

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Fitzgerald_has_decided_to_seek_indictments_1025.html

[E-Z-B]

1. I'll post it again -- a glimpse of next year:

[AlCzervik]

7. didn't the guy from rawstory say just yesterday that his sources

told him it could be up to 22 indictments? I'll just watch and wait until i hear it from The Fitz's mouth.

[E-Z-B]

8. It still doesn't contradict the above article

The above article says "as least 2", so it could still be 22 indictments for all we know.

[Mabus]

11. Correct, the article says he has submitted two to the GJ

I think it is better practice to not submit multiple indictments for multiple defendants at the same time. Submitting two and then allowing the GJ to decide whether to issue an indictment might clear the way (and make it easier) for the other indictments to be submitted. Kind of a threshold issue.

[GOTV]

Yeah well,

2 is "up to 22"

[hvn_nbr_2]

30. Glad you posted it again. I never saw it before.

Great. But where's Bolton? I guess he's out threatening someone.

[fooj]

2. Geez...

this is killing me.

Peace.

[msongs]

3. is this really legit LBN? no names no sources just innuendo nt

[Mabus]

I posted a rawstory in GDP

yesterday for the same reason and less than an hour later the same article was posted in LBN and left. So I thought I'd post it here. I did post just the developing headline in GDP a while ago and only posted the story here in LBN when a story was attached. Either way it is up to the mods to decide.
:shrug:


Correction, it was less than 20 minutes before it was reposted in LBN and left.

Yesterday, my post at 12:58 p.m. in GDP: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2178620&mesg_id=2178620

Second post of same article in LBN at 1:17 p.m.: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1873596&mesg_id=1873596

[E-Z-B]

5. Rawstory has been pretty reliable so far

I check them first for the latest news before cnn, msnbc, etc.

[MaineDem]

14. That's my question, too (nt)

[electropop]

4. I think it's going to be a lot more than 2 indictments or 2 people.

The whole WH is in too much of a panic for them to be expecting just a couple of hits.

[E-Z-B]

22. Yes, let's also remember that DeLay's indictments weren't both

delivered on the same day. There may be more coming.

[The Witch]

6. He's only going after them for perjury?

After all that?

I hope rawstory is wrong just this once.

I hope he's got a bigger fish than that in his craw.

[Stevendsmith]

9. I completely agree! (n/t)

[grytpype]

12. Me too

If it's just perjury and such, it's a victory for the White House. It means they would have gotten away with the leak if they had told the truth about it to Fitz. I would be pretty disappointed if I get coal in my stocking this Fitzmas.

[Burning Water]

10. If all he can

get is some perjury or obstruction of justice charge then there are only 3 possibilities 1) he's not the consummate ethical professional we've been told, but an incompetent ass, 2) *co got to him somehow, 3) no crimes were committed.

Any of those would shatter my spirit, but #3 would be worst. Which one do you think would be worst?

[MsKandice01]

17. #2 would be worse for me

I guess some indictments are better than no indictments but still, I don't like this at all. One of the RawStory guys was just on Ed Schultz YESTERDAY saying he expected at least a dozen indictments. What the hell?

Question though: If he's seeking indictments today, that means we have to wait until tomorrow for the Grand Jury to meet, correct?

[WhiteTara]

20. I think you're right...that

no crimes were committed. If that is the case, I really couldn't stay in this country, but of course, I have no where to go, so, I too would be completely shattered. I can't think like that right now. I have to believe that somehow truth will come out and justice will prevail.

[femrap]

28. I would be shattered as well....

I have thought that Vancouver would be nice. Or we could just to the streets and have our own coup d'etat in DC...

[darkism]

13. Time to start turning on Fitz! <sarcasm>

Oh no! Only two indictments! Time to eat our own like we've done so many times before!</sarcasm>

Be happy we nailed even two of these criminals. That's two more being held responsible for their actions than before.

[E-Z-B]

18. I agree. This is at least what I was hoping for.

There's still 3 1/2 days left until the Grand Jury expires.

[thebigidea]

24. since when is he "our own?"

I know people love a hero, but two years of silence does not a hero make.

[goforit]

35. Yes, I do believe a run away jury had more of an incentive.

[Gregorian]

15. After 2004, I've learned to expect anything.

I will only celebrate when the money is in the bank. Er, make that criminals and jail.

[Tummler]

16. Raw Story's reputation aside, this seems dubious and incomplete

Based on a few tidbits that we know, it seems Fitzgerald could make a good case against the leakers under various provisions of the Espionage Act. And if that's so, then a wide-ranging WHIG conspiracy to leak Plame's identity (and thus violate said Espionage Act) should certainly net more than two of these crooks.

I find it hard to believe that Fitz would come this far, or that federal judges would allow the jailing of Miller while commenting on the gravity of the matter, without sufficient evidence of a "substantive" crime.

Of course, if Raw Story's sources are defense attorneys, then they really won't have any clue about Fitzgerald's complete plans.

[deadparrot]

21. I agree.

Let's all take a deep breath.

[WLKjr]

19. RawStory.com has Fitzgerald Story Up Now

<snip>Fitzgerald will seek at least two indictments, the sources say. They note that it remains to be seen whether the grand jury will approve the charges.</snip>


Link

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Fitzgerald_has_decided_to_seek_indictments_1025.html

[Catherine Vincent]

23. Maybe it will be two indictments for sure and then Fitzgerald will

ask for an extension that could birth more indictments? I could go with that because right now I am disappointed.

[MGKrebs]

25. it wouldn't surprise me if we don't get espionage act

indictments.

Novak said "CIA operative" which doesn't strictly mean "covert", so if he was essentially quoting someone, they might get away with that. But about a week later, Newsday definitely spelled out her undercover status, having confirmed it with "intelligence officials". But presumably those intelligence officials had already decided that Novak had come too close for comfort and ended her covert status, thereby letting them confirm the story.

I would think some conspiracy charges are pretty likely though. So much evidence of a coordinated effort to out her, so even if they got away with avoiding espionage act stuff, they PLANNED to expose her, and planned/coordinated the coverup of the plan.

And I sure hope that if someone in the USA created the forged documents, and then arranged to have them circualte back to the Intel community from overseas, that there were some laws broken there.

[MidwestTransplant]

33. Operative does mean Covert.

That's exactly what it means and Novak who has reported on intelligence matters in Wash. forever surely did not mispeak. He was told she was undercover. Operative is a term of art.

[GOTV]

26. Ultimately this could be very anti-climactic

There might be only a couple of indictments for perjury and obstruction with nothing about the actual crime.

And since, as has been reported, Fitzgerald will not produce a final report, we may never learn everything fitzgerald was told in the almost 2 years this investigation has dragged on.

The only info that might come out of this process is a small list of indictments.

[jasmeel]

27. Important point!! Please read

Posted by
Jersey Devil Tue Oct-25-05 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #6
19. 2 indictments does not mean 2 people


Each indictment could name several people. You do not issue separate indictments for each defendant in a conspiracy charge, for example. All are named as defendants in the same indictment.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5164038#5164135

[femrap]

29. Thank you Jasmeel!

We all need to get law degrees around here....are you an attorney or paralegal? So a number of people could be indicted on, say, Conspiracy? And a number of people on Obstruction of Justice? And some on Perjury? I really want Conspiracy....!

[jasmeel]

34. I know nothing about legal stuff. This post was posted by

someone named Jersey Devil who is apparently a lawyer. Sorry for the delayed response-I was in a mtg. Yes it sounds like a number of people can be corralled under 1 indictment.

[myrna minx]

31. Good point. n/t

[MidwestTransplant]

32. I have a very bad feeling that Rove will skate.

[goforit]

36. This will be extremely disappointing. A Cop-out for Fitz.