Wayne Madsen says indictments today!

[notadmblnd]

October 19, 2005 -- As of 3:45 pm, there was still no word on indictments coming out of the Grand Jury on Leakgate. But WMR can report the following: At approximately 4:45 pm, a motorcade consisting of a limousine, an SUV with well-armed security personnel, and a Washington, DC police car pulled into the annex of the E. Barrett Prettyman U.S. Courthouse on the 3rd Streetside of the courthouse complex on Constitution Avenue in Washington, DC. The occupants of the motorcade spent approximately 40 minutes inside the courthouse. There is speculation that the motorcade was that of Attorney General Alberto Gonzales. Sources familiar with the operations of special prosecutors are of the opinion that given the makeup of the motorcade, the time spent by the party in the courthouse, and the moving of the Grand Jury today to new quarters, the Grand Jury and Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald have concluded their deliberations and, as both a formality and a courtesy, Gonzales was invited to the courtroom to hear the indictments, have an opportunity to question the jurors, and be the first to convey the outcome of the secret proceedings to the White House.

more...http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/

[mmonk]

1. Any collaboration?

[Lex]

5. corroboration?

[mmonk]

7. correct

I had a brain fart.

[alcibiades_mystery]

6. I think you mean "Corroboration"

?

[notadmblnd]

12. I haven't found any so far

but I'll keep looking and listening. I know many people don't feel Wayne is credable here..and I have no opinion on that.. but I thought this was worth posting.

[sadiesworld]

23. Where does it say that Madsen expects indictments today????

[notadmblnd]

31. ass u ME.... my bad

I looked at the article again and he doesn't specifically say today. No, I did hear the today part from a CSPAN caller this morning though.

My apoligies for for putting the word "today" in my post. I guess it's what I get for trying to think before I've cleared the cobwebs from my brain in the morning.

[sadiesworld]

37. Considering that several posters are developing a cottage industry

out of bashing Madsen b/c of this "prediction", you may want to make amends.

I'm not at all surprised he no longer links to DU.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

2. Well, then we can be sure of only one thing:

No indictments today, kids!

[cynatnite]

4. If true...

It'll be 5pm tomorrow...take out the trash day. They'll try to use the cover of Hurricane Wilma.

I don't know enough about Madsen to consider him credible.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

8. Madsen has more than a few screws loose.

If some drunk on the street told him that there'd be indictments today, he'd report it.

And if some drunk didn't tell him that, he'd get drunk and make it up himself.

[alcibiades_mystery]

11. WTF are you talking about

"They'll" try to use the cover?!?

Who is "they"?

Fitzgerald and the grand jury? That's the people making the announcement. Why would Fitzgerald try to use the cover of anything? Ridiculous.

I wish that stupid "take out the trash" episode of the West Wing never aired. It's probably bullshit, and makes people say the strangest things. There is no "take out the trash" day. It was just a literary conceit invented by the West Wing writers.

[cynatnite]

17. Well...I apologize to you personally since I wasn't clear in my post...

:eyes:

'They' is in reference to bush and regime. Again, I apologize to you for not beling clear.

As far as 'taking out the trash'...West Wing didn't invent the phrase. I don't know who did, but a friend of mine who was a news producer in Idaho called it 'take out the shit day'. She said a lot of good stories came out late on fridays and over the weekend and get forgotten. I remember how much it pissed her off because it wasn't considered news and they were onto other stuff by Monday.

Sorry you don't like it.

[alcibiades_mystery]

21. And the Bush regime is in control of Fitzgerald's announcement?

Bad logic is not offensive to one person. It offends argument itself.

[cynatnite]

28. No, I'm saying they'd use Wilma to delay and to destract...

You're right about logic, though. I haven't slept yet so my logic is probably gone right now. :)

[alcibiades_mystery]

33. They have zero control over the process

And sorry for being such a dick. That's my early morning mode. :-)

But the simple fact is that the Bush regime has no say over the grand jury announcement, and very little say over media coverage thereof. As for Wilma, I'd venture to say that they have little control of the course or speed of the hurricane either...

[cynatnite]

38. Since it looks like it's coming...

And I'm not totally positive it is (cynicism abounds right now)...I wouldn't be surprised at what they do at this point.

It's time for me to get my morning nap in :) I got sarcastic myself. I am sorry about that.

[Botany]

3. Please could this be Fitzmas?

:bounce:

[nonconformist]

13. Mommy mommy I want indictments for Fitzmas!

:woohoo:

[Connie_Corleone]

9. No one knows when the indictments will come down except Fitzgerald.

Everyone else is either guessing or making shit up.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

30. In this case, I vote for:

Making shit up.

[sadiesworld]

40. Considering that the article says nothing about indictments today...

you may want to rethink who's "making shit up".

But, hey, don't let the TRUTH interfere with your righteous little rant.

[hang a left]

10. I can't remember where I heard this but I did hear a rumor that

Gonzales did meet with Fitzgerald yesterday. Is there any confirmation about the GJ moving to another location?

[mmonk]

16. This indicates

the jury not in the courthouse on the 19th.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TheNote/story?id=156238

[hang a left]

24. The article said the jury was there but it did not think Fitz and his

team were. The gj could have been doing their voting, I think they do that privately.

Here is a good hint. Anyone see any signs of a meeting this morning?

snip>
(Be on the lookout, however, for a closed presidential meeting with Republican congressional leaders.)
snip>

[mmonk]

26. Yes

such a meeting would be a dead giveaway.

[onenote]

14. wayne madsen = speculation

For a change even Madsen acknowledges his claim is just speculation. Of course, in his case its utterly uniformed speculation which is basically a short way of saying "made up shit".

onenote

[DoYouEverWonder]

15. That's all anyone has at the moment.

The Madsen bashing does get old though and is a distraction.

There are lot's of other indicators that indictments will come down before the weekend.

[sendero]

18. Well if nothing else..

.... Madsen has balls. He's made a prediction of fact that will either come true or it will not.

If it does, his credibility goes way up. If not, well you know :)

[hang a left]

27. I am gonna have to agree with you there.

No wonder he removed his link to DU.

[sadiesworld]

45. The Madsen article doesn't even say anything about

indictments today.

What a joke.

[Goldeneye]

19. So that means what?

Indictments sometime next week?? Oh joy!

[OKNancy]

20. LOL - maybe if he says it often enough, he'll be right

Note the date on this one: June 25, 2004

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/062504_grand_jury.shtml


June 25, 2004 1600 PDT (FTW) – Washington, DC. Well-placed U.S. government sources have revealed that the secret grand jury, led by special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, will soon issue explosive indictments in the criminal investigation of who leaked the name of Valerie E. Plame, a CIA clandestine agent and wife of former U.S. Ambassador Joe Wilson, to members of the media. On June 24, special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald interviewed President Bush at the White House for 70 minutes, an indication that Fitzgerald's investigation is nearing completion and that indictments may be imminent. Bush was seated with his recently-hired criminal defense attorney, Jim Sharp, during the interview.

[alcibiades_mystery]

25. He just has to say it every day...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

No, I mean TODAY'S the day.
No, I mean TODAY'S the day.
No, I mean TODAY'S the day.
No, I mean TODAY'S the day.
No, I mean TODAY'S the day.
No, I mean TODAY'S the day.

:rofl:

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

22. Is this the indictment warning du jour?

Seems like we have one of these every day now regarding Fitzgerald. I think we should all just relax and let the cards drop when they drop. It's not like we have a time limit or anything.

[crispini]

35. LOL. Um, the time limit would be next Friday.

Why do you think everyone's freaking? :D

[Botany]

44. Crispini ....

Look they are white collar criminals ..... so no cuffs for
rover & company.

:rofl:

I must go and stalk up for my Fitzmas dinner.
(Just in case) :evilgrin:

[Zen Democrat]

29. Madsen wrote this in June 2004 - no doubt he had a good source then!

"The special prosecutor has been focusing on Bush, Cheney, presidential counselor Karl Rove, Cheney's chief of staff Lewis I. ("Scooter") Libby, Cheney assistants David Wurmser and John Hannah, and National Security Council officials Elliott Abrams and Stephen Hadley.

Recently, CIA Director George Tenet and Plame's ultimate boss, Deputy Director of Operations James Pavitt, suddenly resigned within hours of one another. Intelligence sources have said the two have been cooperating with Fitzgerald's investigation of the Plame/Brewster-Jennings leak and the damage to U.S. clandestine operations which globally track the flow of WMDs.

Sensitive CIA operations that were compromised by the leak included companies, government officials, and individuals associated with the nuclear smuggling network of Pakistan's chief nuclear scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan. In addition, the identities of U.S. national and foreign agents working within the headquarters of the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna, North Korea's nuclear laboratory in Yongbyon, Pakistan's Kahuta uranium enrichment plant, banks and export companies in Dubai, Islamabad, Moscow, Cape Town, Tel Aviv, Liechtenstein, Cyprus, and Kiev, and Kuala Lumpur, and government agencies in Libya, Pakistan, Malaysia, and Iran were severely compromised. The CIA has reportedly given Fitzgerald highly classified details on the damage done to the CIA's WMD tracking network.

According to Department of Justice insiders, the length of Fitzgerald's 70 minute interview of Bush was significant. Only one other prosecutor's interview of a sitting president lasted as long, that of Iran-contra prosecutor Lawrence Walsh's questioning of the late Ronald Reagan. However, in that case, Walsh concluded after the interview that Reagan actually did not know what had transpired in his administration with respect to the scandal. Today’s officials may not be so fortunate."

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/062504_grand_jury.shtml

I'm no expert on Madsen, but he certainly has a source feeding him some accurate information. Remember, word on the street was that Fitzgerald had essentially finished the investigation last summer, but was holding out for Cooper and Miller to testify. Their refusal, and subsequent appeal to the Supreme Court, dragged this thing out through the election until they lost the appeal and Miller went to jail. It seems that Libby and Rove were not providing waivers just to get this thing beyond the 2004 elections.

[crispini]

32. The grand jury moved to new quarters TODAY?

Then, YES, today might very well be indictment day. I read somewhere here on DU that the move to a new GJ room happens before the official indictment.

Woo, and I had tomorrow in the pool. Mmmm mmm mmm!

[AlCzervik]

36. the GJ met yesterday, i've read they meet on M, W, F so maybe yesterday

was the last time for them.

[crispini]

39. I read that too.

Would they have to actually be there at the press conference (or whatever kind of event it is) to issue the indictments, or would they say "OK, go" and then Fitz would call the press conference and issue them himself?

Wow, they could have indicted yesterday and maybe we don't know yet.

[AlCzervik]

41. they could have wrapped it up yesterday, they vore to indict ot not

and the Fitzgerald will compile everything, fill out the paperwork and he and the GJ go downstairs to the judge and he presents the charges.

[crispini]

43. So that's the "courtroom move"

when he and the GJ go in front of the judge together.

But how long will then lapse between the actual indictment and the annoucement of it? Surely he would indict and then turn around and announce it immediately.

[AlCzervik]

46. it's usually a pretty quick turnaround time, they've been at it for a

long time so i'm sure Fitzgerald will like to wrap it up and so would the grand jurors. I think once they take the vote to indict it's pretty damn quick after that, Fitzgerald would have already had various paperwork done to cover the bases so it could be today.

[tx_dem41]

34. Wayne Madsen alert!!!!

Looks like no indictments today.

[sadiesworld]

47. Let me know when you discover where he said

there WOULD be indictments today.

[lonestarnot]

42. Well, I'm still waiting....

[Skinner]

48. Locking

because it has been established that the title of this thread is not correct.

Also, wayne madsen is not reliable.