Can you vote for segregationist Democrats?

[Maddy McCall]

Hell, if it's ok for the party to elect representatives who would willfully abandon women, why not elect ones that will alienate minorities, too?

Women are part of the base of this party, as are minorities. The day this party turns its back on civil rights for ALL AMERICANS is the day I leave the party.

[MuseRider]

1. I'm with you dear.

:hi: Maddy, hope things are going well for you.

There are times I am one foot and leaning out the door with our party anyway but I am stubborn and I have yet to give up. This would do it though, in a second.

[dsc]

2. Equating abortion with segregation trivializes what blacks went through

Under segregation, Emmit Till got lynched for whistling at a white woman. Under segregation, Thurgood Marshall couldn't vote, eat in the same resteraunts as whites, drink from the same water fountains as whites, go to school with whites, or share any pubic accomodations with whites while he sat on the DC Court of Appeals. Under segregation Rosa Parks had to stand and give her seat to whites. Remove the right to abortion tomorrow and women will still be voters who can sleep, rent, work, and eat where they like when they like.

[Maddy McCall]

3. Care to hear what women, black and white, went through before Roe v Wade?

[dsc]

4. Tell me about the droves of women who got lynched or denied the right

to vote. Yes, some women died of botched abortions. But in comparision to American style Apartheid it isn't even close. I doubt that the numbers are even with in 100 times of each other.

[Maddy McCall]

6. Your folly is that you try to rank importance of issues.

My point is that civil rights for all Americans is an important plank of the party. Remember this: when one plank caves for convenience, it won't be long before others follow.

I could argue history with you all night, but that's NOT THE POINT. I'm talking about the ludicrous suggestion by some that we should cave on women's rights. I'm pointing out that it is ludicrous by presenting another equally absurd question.

This isn't going to spiral into a "who's got it worse" thread, although that is where you are attempting to take it. I am demonstrating that the Democratic party would never consider abandoning civil rights for minorities, just as it should never consider abandoning equal rights for women.

You want to spark a crazy flame war by ranking women vs. blacks. That's ridiculous, and it demonstrates more about your ever combative nature than it does about my question. :eyes:

[dsc]

7. Oh really

Tell it to gays. Or for that matter to blacks who saw Clinton time and again back down on their issues the entire time he did NARALs bidding no matter how unpopular. It is beyond absurd to say that Democrats have treated abortion worse than other issues. The opposite is true.

[Maddy McCall]

15. I guess you're just jealous because you can't have one.

:eyes:

[dsc]

17. I just think we should be honest

Segregation was vastly, vastly worse. Just like I would be dishonest to suggest that the way gays are treated is equivalent to segregation. Incidently I see you still haven't justified your position, could it be because you can't?

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

11. I had a roommate whose mother died from a back alley abortion...

They were more common than you think.

[dsc]

20. so were lynchings

I am not saying non existent but backalley abortions causes much fewer deaths than lynchings did in a similar period of time.

[Cleita]

10. You are arguing about degrees of injustice and there is

no such thing. Injustice is injustice any way you look at it. Since I lived during the times when abortion was illegal, it was also a time when a woman's lot in life was pretty much dictated by what she looked like.

Those looks were what determined whom she married and her economic circumstances for life. She didn't vote, sleep, rent, work or eat wherever she liked, believe me. Usually, her husband told her how to vote. I know my dad told my mother and she never questioned him. Some restaurants in those days wouldn't allow unescorted women to have dinner unless accompanied by a male.

I know slavery is a hard issue but don't diminish what women went through just because it didn't appear to be as awful. Incidentally, I believe the Bushistas are bringing back slavery. It's known as outsourcing the good jobs so that all that's left are the crappy, starvation wages jobs.

[dsc]

18. Of course there are degrees of injustice

and segregation was worse. Was it a picnic to be a woman, no? Was it easier to be a woman in the 1950's than a black, yes? It isn't even close. Incidently, my grandmother was a divorce back in the 1950's so yes, through her, I had some idea what that was like.

[LittleClarkie]

14. Like how the Jews felt having the Holocaust compared to Gitmo I guess

I know Jon Stewart was pissed.

A person's gotta be careful what comparisons they make.

[dsc]

19. exactly

there are degrees of evil, just like degrees of good.

[LittleClarkie]

5. Yeah, I've about had it with dem damn darkies

Our Minority Leader is pro-life, but doesn't seem to be an activist about it. Does that mean he's willfully abandoning women?

Should we insist he be replaced on those grounds? Or do we kinda like ol' Harry?

I take people as a whole, not one issue at a time. It depends on their priorities.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

8. LOL, Maddy!

Love ya, dear!

So spot on.

[Just Me]

9. What the FUCK are you talking about? Republicans are the WORST,...

,...of oppressive offenders.

:wtf:

Tell me the Democrats you are targeting,...AND BE SURE TO INCLUDE ALL REPUBLICANS ON YOUR LIST, TOO!!!

:wtf:

[Just Me]

12. (((EEK)))) *blush*

Crap. I get so freakin' serious about stuff.

Did you *trick* me? :shrug:

[KittyWampus]

13. Really, who are you imaging is abandoning women?

[Maddy McCall]

16. This is a copycat thread....

The earlier one advocated "pro-life" Dem candidates. You know, women should cede their rights, as they are not that important. :eyes:

I'm not imagining anything.

[ohio_liberal]

21. Oh man, what a question

I'm struggling with this right now. There is a candidate running for an Ohio congressional seat who is an active member of a fraternal organization that doesn't allow African-Americans to join. And I know from experience that he's a pig when it comes to women. I don't say anything to anyone though really. I don't know what to say, I don't want to hurt my party, and I don't know that anyone locally would even care.

[Cleita]

22. Wouldn't this person hurt your party more than you?

If this were my candidate, I would bring it up at the Democratic Club meeting that I don't think this is a person whom we want representing us considering his actions.