Over 9,400 children and adults are STILL MISSING post-Katrina

[IndyOp]

Are ANY media outlets covering this? Any?!?

I haven't seen any coverage. The official number who have died is still around 1,000 -- but how in the world can anyone believe that thousands and thousands of people still missing two months after the hurricane/flood are not dead?

I called Laura Flanders last Saturday evening and got on air during a discussion of homelessness caused by Katrina. When I told them how many people were still missing -- and cited the official organizations below -- I felt as if my comment was dismissed. I know that my comment was not directly related to their topic of homelessness, but still...

The people who died deserve the dignity of having people know that they died. Their loved ones deserve the dignity of having people know who they have lost.

:nuke:

National Center for Missing and Exploited Children - has a downloadable Excel file "Hurricane Katrina/Rita List" with names & ages of 2,099 kids who are still missing OR who are looking for their parents -
<http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=2077>

National Center for Missing Adults - has a downloadable file with names of over 7,400 adults who are STILL MISSING.
<http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmalistview.php?wstr=Catastrophe&alpha=A>

[xultar]

1. Is it 9,400 negroes? Well I'm sure there will be no outrage on that.

[KingFlorez]

13. From Real Americans, yes

From compassionate conservatives, NO

[ultraist]

25. Sad, isn't it?

And just fucking pathetic. I am ASHAMED of my fellow Americans and beyond disgusted with our government officials, Dems too! WHY aren't they talking about this???

[stepnw1f]

40. Pisses me Off

Racism is a cancer. Until folks understand that, this country will never be united.

[pitohui]

44. no widespread missing from lakeview, gentilly as well

it's more than race, it's more than class

lakeview is rich and middle class, gentilly is mixed

the couple i know killed in gentilly are white

they are known to be dead by the family, including a family member who is a police officer, they were found in their home so just shouldn't be that hard to identify, just how many 90 yr olds are going to climb into an attic that is not their own?

but they are not acknowledged in the official toll

there is a systematic effort here to keep down the death toll & they have to disappear more than just poor blacks since widespread areas of flooding affected white areas

in jefferson parish harry lee is boldly lying abt the numbers of dead, from over 100-plus known dead, he is now claiming that most were already in the mortuaries prior to the storm, yeah right, we always store dead bodies for later burial at some time in the unknown future when it's heat index of 108 degrees & a cat 5 is on the way...they really think we're stupid

it's a huge cover-up of just how badly fema screwed up from top to bottom

they didn't protect & defend ANY of us

[lildreamer316]

2. umm. KICK like a MF.

What
the
fuck.

[IndyOp]

5. .

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[malaise]

3. This will not go away

They can try but many people are watching this story.
Edit -sp.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

4. The evacuations were such an enormous mess

that I don't think we can make any assumptions yet. I have read that a lot of these folks are believed to simply be spread around the country. I certainly hope so.

I will say that the whole sorry mess is just about the blackest, bleakest point in American history, in my opinion.

[IndyOp]

7. I am trying not to make assumptions and I don't believe

that over 9,000 people just haven't been logged into one of the many databases for Katrina survivors.

A reasonable guestimate - maybe a few thousand have been spread around and just haven't been 'found'. But 9,000? It strains credulity.

What I want right now is for the number missing to be the TOP item mentioned on every newscast -- we can, as a nation, watch as the number fall as far as it will fall. I want ALL EYES on the number missing.

It is the only way we will get the truth about the number who have died.

:cry:

[TallahasseeGrannie]

9. I agree it needs to be a priority.

[Tuesday_Morning]

26. And why hasn't a comprehensive data base been set up?

Is it really so difficult?

[Dora]

43. It probably is.

Things were so disorganized, that the idea of setting up a comprehensive database at this late stage is laughable.

These people have slipped through a crack the size of our "conservative" government.

[FighttheFuture]

55. "ass-u-me-ption"... hmmm.. with Bu$hitCo at the helm, always assume...

the worst. Odds are you will never know the full truth of the matter anyhow, and Bush deserves NO-NONE-NADA mitigating considerations. Especially with a track record of disaster after disaster, not just the last 5 years, but his whole life!

[pitohui]

45. well i personally know of 3 dead not on the list

white business owners too

what chance do the poor have to be counted?

[porphyrian]

6. If they were white and rich they wouldn't be missing. - n/t

[IndyOp]

8. What would they be - found? or would gov't admit they were dead? (nt)

On edit: Or maybe you meant that they would have been rescued and therefore would not be either missing or dead? Sickly, enragingly true.

[porphyrian]

18. If they had a young daughter...

...they would be the mainstream news for the next month.

[pitohui]

46. neither his assumption is wrong

i know of 3 white ppl dead & not on the official toll, not being acknowledged, both men were business owners, one quite well-to-do, one just middle class

a lot of elders died before rescue, they just couldn't last long in that heat once the waters started rising, especially not in an attic or on rooftops

the media when it bothers to cover the story at all wants to make it abt poor black ppl so we won't unify & we won't care, yes, i know DUers don't think like that but outside the progressive community the reality is that ppl only care abt ppl who are like themselves because human empathy is limited

if they can slide over the white middle class missing, this is just another "something to watch on the news that can't happen to you so don't worry abt it, honey"

they are lying about EVERYBODY

they abandoned EVERYBODY

[leftchick]

10. nothing on the TV that I have seen today

to CNN's credit they did do a piece over the weekend about bodies retrieved and those identified. A horrible account.

The comparison to people missing to bodies recovered has not been made to my knowledge.

:(

[DLnyc]

11. Maybe this is too radical, but would the M$M maybe like to help

those 9000 missing be located? That seems like a great human interest story for them, connecting missing parents with kids, missing kids with parents, . . .

But I guess BushCo is not paying them to do this story, so we'll mostly be hearing about the 'world' series and blah blah blah . . .

[jobycom]

12. Have you contacted either of these groups to see how these lists are

created and maintained?

I'm just scanning through them. There are a lot of kids with names, with no basic descriptions, such as age, height, weight, last names. The missing adults list has people with first names only, and some with last names that look misspelled. Some have cities where they lived, others are blank. Some cities list places like Atlanta.

I'd need to know how these lists are maintained, and whether people take names off these lists when someone is found, and whether anyone follows up on the lists to see if someone is still missing before I was confident the numbers were anywhere near representative. To me, and I could be completely wrong, this just looks like a list for anyone to report someone missing, not any form of an attempt to keep an accurate list. I'd need to know more before I took that count as nearly accurate.

[IndyOp]

22. Good questions --

So let's get the JOURNALISTS on the job - they should find out how the lists were created, talk to the people who created them.

I have been checking these lists for the past week - downloading and checking to see if the size of the lists is getting smaller and they ARE being updated. Last week the number of missing adults was around 7,700 and the number of missing children was around 2,600.

I don't know how the lists have been created - but I do know that the lists are not just *list someone you are looking for databases*. In comparison - the Katrina List *is* this type of database and it includes over 600,000 listings of missing & safe postings from many different databases - International Red Cross, Craig's List, newspapers like the SunHerald, and even TV websites. <http://www.katrinalist.net/>

The list of adults has fewer than 40 people with first names only - and whether or not some last names are misspelled is not easy to determine. I spent a few hours typing in data for Katrina List weeks ago and found some unique names -- French + African + German + ....

How many people have cities like Atlanta listed? I sorted the missing kids list by state and the vast, vast majority of missing kids are from LA - the others are from MS, TX, AL - I don't see any from Georgia. It is entirely possible that some adults did live in Atlanta, GA and were tourists in LA. The three populations of people who were least likely to be able to evacuate were the poor, the elderly/infirm, and tourists. Tourists don't have their own vehicle with them in which they can evacuate.

Whether or not all data fields are complete (height, weight, clothes, scars, marks) depends a whole lot on who submitted the data - the ICRC collects ALL information but other organizations might not.

Also - note that as I put in the original post the missing kids list includes the names of kids who are missing AND kids who haven't been reunited with their parents. I sorted by age (guessing that the kids who are missing would be more likely to have their age entered in the database) - and over 1200 kids have ages listed.

I am not betting that we can use these lists to determine the exact number of people missing -- but these lists suggest to me that at least 'thousands' are still missing.

:kick:

[jobycom]

28. My points about the partial information

Is that it looks like they are just recording what someone tells them, and not always from someone who knows the victim well. Missing last names and cities and descriptions don't imply a close relationship. Just because someone is looking for a person doesn't mean that person is missing.

As for misspelled names, I'm from the area, and while I'm sure I don't know every name, I know the basics. For instance the second and third names on the kids list was Abert. That's more likely to be Hebert, a common cajun name. I searched phone records in New Orleans--there are no Aberts. These two kids are listed with first names, misspelled last names, and their gender, age, description and race are unknown. Obviously a parent or relative didn't report them, and obviously there was no check of any kind to verify this info. One child is listed as "Unknown Child" with no description, from Lafayette, LA. Obviously that's not a found child looking for parents, or they'd at least have the gender and height and weight, and probably the race.

There are over a thousand dead, and most unidentified, so obviously this list contains a lot of names that will have tragic results. It also contains a lot of names of people who weren't well known by whomever reported them. So I'd say even guessing that half of the list represents actual people still missing is a baseless assumption, unless we know how the list is compiled and maintained.

A quick parallel. The Civil Defense in Harrison County, Mississippi, listed over a thousand people missing, and their website still has that number. They've compiled their list from various other lists. But of those listed, only around 700 turned out to be actual, distinct missing persons, and of those 700, only 101 were still unaccounted for early last week. Yet the Civil Defense still lists their number of 1172. Right below that number, they state that the number does not reflect the number of missing, just the number of people that someone is looking for. Still, I've seen that number cited by people as evidence of the number of missing.

I'd just need to know more about this list before I make assumptions based on it.

[IndyOp]

60. Thank you - I appreciate your thoughts.

Also see post #15 - good information from National Center for Missing Children that I did not see.

I have asked the mods and admins to edit my original post - I don't want to be responsible for creating anxiety & anger when we don't know the whole story.

I've been watching these lists for a while - and have seen several threads here are DU about them that implied that many missing were probably dead - and I did not read/think enough before writing the OP.

I will be nurturing a healthy suspicion about the situation until the names on the list are cleared -- but I do want better 'evidence' before crying foul.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

66. Let's all stay behind this story

until we know the truth. I think we are giving in when we say we will never know. Most people have paper trails. At the least, Social Security numbers. Only illegal immigrants are completely invisible. Let's not let this go. We should not make unfounded accusations by any means, but these people deserve our vigilance.

Thanks for bringing it to the forefront. I certainly hope the numbers never pan out to be in that vicinity (10K) but we won't know for sure if we give up.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

14. The real "No Child Left Behind" story. Happy to be the fifth nomination.

[cynatnite]

15. From their own website:

However, more than 2,000 cases remain of children separated from or whose whereabouts are unknown to close family members. Most of the remaining cases appear to be examples of "fractured families." While a small number may not have survived the storm, apparently most of the children are in the care of a parent, grandparent or friend. Yet, another parent or close family member may not know the child's location or condition.

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/NewsEventServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=2150

[IndyOp]

23. Wow! Thanks for this - most kids are in care of parent, grandparent -

according to National Center for Missing Children. I have been downloading the files but did not see this IMPORTANT press release.

I still want the number of missing reported frequently - perhaps a lot of these cases will be resolved when there is finally a centralized database for occupants of various shelters.

:kick:

[IndyOp]

71. How do they know that the child reported

missing by one parent/other is being taken care of by another family member or friend? If they knew that - and knew how to contact the person who filed the missing report then the case would be resolved.

I know that, maybe, the people taking the missing reports did not get adequate contact information from the person who filed the report or the person who filed the report moved out of a shelter to another location -- but still?

[spinbaby]

16. There's no central database

Part of the problem here is that there are lots of lists--every aid organization and news network seems to have one. I found a friend on one list who was listed--and is still listed--as missing on several lists. I suspect there's a lot of that.

So why isn't there a central list of the missing? Wouldn't that seem to be a basic government function in a disaster like this?

[cynatnite]

19. That's one of many big mistakes FEMA's made...

Common sense says they should have done this from the very beginning given the gravity of the situation.

[AirmensMom]

17. Kick.

:kick:

[SoCalDem]

20. Not missing.. Just relocated..

living the good life in a fancy new apartment, with a fantastic new job:sarcasm:


but on the serious side.. prove they are missing.. The people who need to bear witness to their demise, are scattered to 48 states, and have lost touch with all their family:(

[psychopomp]

21. kick

[Catherine Vincent]

24. This should be kicked.

[Kurovski]

27. Agreed and done.

[EuroObserver]

37. kick n/t

[Tsiyu]

29. There's your death toll

And the Corporations that now believe they "own" America (actually, they've only put the Old Dame into hock up to her eyeballs) don't want you to realize that under **, life is VERY deadly.

[OneBlueSky]

30. will they EVER look in the attics? . . .

the ones they should have cut into within days of the hurricane to search for survivors? . . . because that's where they're likely to find a lot of these people . . . though not as survivors . . .

[Up2Late]

31. NPR had a very interesting (and Shocking) report about FEMA's...

...lack of a plan for collecting the Dead.

A week after the storm, they had an "agreement" with Kenyan, a disaster body recovery company, but they quit a week later because FEMA kept screwing up their efforts.

Worth a listen at the link below, it 3:52 in length.

Officials Spar Over Katrina Body Recovery

Listen to this story... by Kathleen Schalch

All Things Considered, October 11, 2005 · Finger-pointing continues in disputes over responsibility for the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Federal Emergency Management Agency officials say body retrieval has always been a state or local responsibility, while state officials maintain they believed the grim task belonged to FEMA.

<http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4954641>

[EFerrari]

32. I just don't believe what I'm reading. n/t

[nashville_brook]

52. i heard that! no mention of the bush ties to the funeralgate

problem, tho.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

33. FEMA Restricts Evacuee Data, Citing Privacy (here's your answer I think)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/11/AR2005101101747.html

FEMA Restricts Evacuee Data, Citing Privacy
Families and Police Protest

By John Pomfret
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, October 12, 2005; A01

SAN ANTONIO, Oct. 11 -- The Federal Emergency Management Agency is restricting the release of information on Hurricane Katrina evacuees, complicating efforts by families to find loved ones and by law enforcement officials searching for parolees and convicted sex offenders.

Citing privacy concerns, FEMA has rejected a request by Texas officials for access to its database of the more than 100,000 evacuees who have registered for state aid, according to the governor's office. FEMA has also declined requests from five states to cross-check a database of convicted sex offenders and parolees against a list of evacuees requesting federal assistance, law enforcement officials said.

(snip)

With a database of approximately 30,000 evacuees in San Antonio, FEMA by far has the most accurate knowledge of who is in his region, he said. "We are not proposing background checks on everyone. We just want known parolees and sex offenders, and FEMA won't do it."

Herberg said law enforcement can be exempted from the privacy act when it demonstrates a need. "This is not a fishing expedition," he said. "We are putting these people in homes and shelters across the nation. We have the Louisiana lists. We've got to know who they are."

Trying to hide the toll of dead perhaps? The number of "missing" after all this time are likely mostly dead...

[saltara]

58. Freedom of Information Act Request filed for evacuees' records

The newly formed People's Hurricane Relief Fund and the National Lawyers Guild served FOIA requests upon FEMA, the Department of Homeland Security and the Louisiana Office of Emergency Preparedness to locate the names, residences and current contact information for people evacuated from Louisiana. This is a grassroots effort worth supporting by donating to the People's Hurricane Relief Fund or the National Lawyers Guild. Here's the press release:

http://www.commondreams.org/news2005/0926-03.htm

[Swamp Rat]

34. There's a lot more missing than that.

There are tens of thousands of undocumented workers in Louisiana.

[mom cat]

63. Oh shit.....what a tragedy. Where are the voices of outrage?

:wtf:

[IndyOp]

70. Yes, I have thought often of the

Mexicans and Hondurans -- missing, deceased, no way to track them.

:cry:

[callady]

76. Any further reports

on the situation in gulf region re: First Peoples Pop.?

[Peter Frank]

35. Remember When Dan Rather Backed Down From His Big Tabacco Story???...

That was the biginning of the end for objective mainstream journalism as we knew it.

The only thing older than influence buying is the invention of money itself.

[donheld]

36. Didn't the USSR used to lie about tragedies like this?

Weren't they big on hiding the truth about how many died?

[SouthernDem2004]

38. There are only about 100 still missing on the MS coast.

There are groups locating the "missing." Most of these reports were made by friends and the like that could not locate them. When people left they just did not have the time to notify everyone they know where they went to. The remaining missing will turn up eventually.

[Festivito]

39. Could approach from population minus relocated/returned.

All along the coastline, city by city, town by town, the census should have figures. Tourist numbers should be negligible.

That gives a maximum affected number.

Same for just NO. How many people could be affected. Then the press might pick up on government unconcerned with the overall picture. (Which they, certainly, are not interested.)

What WAS the population of New Orleans?

[BrklynLiberal]

41. Missing=not added to fatality count, and no benefit payments to their

family by the government or insurance companies.

This is not part of an intentional coverup.:sarcasm:

[pitohui]

42. i know personally know of 3 confirmed dead not being acknowledged

my friend who died in the evacuation was buried on sept 2 in western louisiana, he is not on the official list -- but at least the family has closure because of the circumstances of his death

another couple from my old neighborhood i know has died, in their house, w. an immediate relative a police officer, is known to be collected & dead as a result in breach in the london ave. canal, yet w. a police officer on the scene to find the bodies in their own home of many decades, still they do not appear on the official list of the dead

all three of these are white people w. at least some small share of affluence since the men were business owners

i can only imagine how the black and the poor are being treated

they don't seem to want to acknowledge ANYONE as dead in the official toll, what the hell does it take to get these bodies properly acknowledged & buried

there is a story right now on nola.com--

http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/frontpage/index.ssf?/base/news-4/1129097117273280.xml

abt a 9th Ward family, w. their elder KNOWN to be dead, they can't get the body released or her name acknowledged on the official list

WTF is going on here?

our dead are just as dead & just as deserving as respect & honor as any other dead, even the sacred 911 dead

yes i'm angry, i wake up angry these days

as of time of my posting this, there is no "permalink" to this story on nola.com & i'm suspicious they plan to "disappear" it

this horror is being repeated dozens of times a day i believe if not more

"There was no body in the casket," said Barbarin, who initiated the recovery of her mother's body from Holloman's home at 2520 Tupelo St., coordinated the funeral arrangements and fretted as her mother's corpse was hauled away to the huge morgue full of Katrina victims in St. Gabriel managed by the Louisiana Department of Health and Hospitals.

"They won't tell us anything," said Barbarin, whose voice adds to the complaints about the difficulty of getting information about those killed by the Aug. 29 tempest.





As of Monday, the department reported 1,021 bodies had been recovered in the state. Of those, 73 have been publicly identified, said Melissa Walker, a spokeswoman for Health and Hospitals...

A death certificate must be issued and a relative has to be notified before a victim's name appears on a public list, said Walker, who speculated that Orleans Parish Coroner Dr. Frank Minyard, who could not be reached for comment, needs to issue the death certificate because Holloman's body was discovered in New Orleans. Barbarin complained Tuesday that her mother's body was identified last month and added that she did not understand why a death certificate had not been issued. "I even had them take DNA swabs from my mouth," said Barbarin, who is eager to "put our mother to rest."

73 names released and acknowledged 6 weeks later. This is not acceptable.

[DUBYASCREWEDUS]

47. HOW ABOUT?

Someone sending this story to Keith Olbermann or Anderson Cooper? I am not very computer literate or I would! But I know many more of you are much more sophisticated in this area! I, too, was thinking the same thing this morning. I guess the TomKat pregnancy is just a little more important! Is it 2008 yet???

[fooj]

48. The number of missing children hasn't budged in over a month!

I've posted about the children (and adults) a few times so I'm familiar with the numbers.

Something needs to be done about this. I just don't know who to go to or how to approach this to get some real answers. This is an outrage of monumental proportions. What can we do? This isn't about Shrub and his fricking #'s! This is about respect and dignity. Humanity deserves no less.

Peace.

[Kurovski]

50. The Red Cross?

Maybe the international Committee of the Red Cross? I don't think they're quite in the clutches of the dark side yet.

[fooj]

53. Bad news on that front...ultimately, the President of the US

is the one who has the say re: the Red Cross. Can you believe this shit?

Peace.

[Kurovski]

57. The only thing that could surprise me at this point

is if Bush and his merry band of deranged Republicans were to pay the full measure of justice owed the world for their various crimes.

I'm not at all familiar with such operations, but I'm curious as to whether the Bush Administration has made any official changes in how the Red Cross can work with us.

I know that the International Red Cross was instrumental in reporting on prison abuses, with the Red Crescent society?

Did BushCo do anything to reduce any abilities of the Red Cross? (aside from holding up RC assistance at the disaster zone borders of Katrina.)

[IndyOp]

72. The International Red Cross is not headed by POTUS --

it might be worth contacting them.

[fooj]

77. Here's some info...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Federation_of_the_Red_Cross


The term "International Red Cross" and the respective acronym "IRC" is actually a misnomer, as no official organization exists bearing that name. Furthermore, the use of this label can result in confusion regarding the distinction between the ICRC and the Federation, potentially adversely politicizing its efforts.

The American Red Cross
The American Red Cross (chartered as the American National Red Cross) is a humanitarian organization that provides emergency assistance, disaster relief and education inside the United States, as part of the International Federation of the Red Cross.

Today, in addition to domestic disaster relief, the American Red Cross offers compassionate services in five other areas: community services that help the needy; support and comfort for military members and their families; the collection, processing and distribution of lifesaving blood and blood products; educational programs that promote health and safety; and international relief and development programs.

Governed by volunteers and supported by community donations, the American Red Cross is a nationwide network of nearly 1,000 chapters and Blood Services regions dedicated to saving lives and helping people prevent, prepare for and respond to emergencies. More than a million Red Cross volunteers and 30,000 employees annually mobilize relief to families affected by more than 67,000 disasters, train almost 12 million people in lifesaving skills and exchange more than a million emergency messages for U.S. military service personnel and their families. The Red Cross is also the largest supplier of blood and blood products to more than 3,000 hospitals across the nation and also assists victims of international disasters and conflicts at locations worldwide.

POTUS is ultimate authority.

Peace.

[UrbScotty]

49. Surely if Bush were truly pro-life... (nt)

[Kurovski]

51. BushCo's preparation for and response to Katrina

has already put the lie to that particular conceit.

But of course, I'm taking your post as full--if wry--acknowledgment of that fact.

[confludemocrat]

54. Thanks for calling attention to this

[In Truth We Trust]

56. Kick for Truth

[spooked911]

59. God this is horrible.

[LynneSin]

61. But CNN has the Law/Miller split on their front page so they're keeping up

:sarcasm:

[JustSayNO 2 Sheeples]

62. It's called hiding the bodies

Just what the Halliburton subsidiary was hired to do. You cannot say the ALL of shrub's cronies are inept.

[BlueEyedSon]

64. That sounds about right for a death toll for a disaster this size.

Unfortunately.

But any other conclusion is spin.

[natrat]

65. what did you expect? look who the criminals hired to retrieve

boddies

[HomerRamone]

67. Why was this taken off the front page? n/t

[IndyOp]

69. I asked the Mods and Admins to remove the thread from the

front page. Post #15 on this thread caused me to change my mind about whether large numbers of the 9,4000 people still on missing list are dead --

Post #15 - copied this from the National Center for Missing Kids website: "However, more than 2,000 cases remain of children separated from or whose whereabouts are unknown to close family members. Most of the remaining cases appear to be examples of "fractured families." While a small number may not have survived the storm, apparently most of the children are in the care of a parent, grandparent or friend. Yet, another parent or close family member may not know the child's location or condition."

I am still wondering how they know that the 2,000 kids who are missed by someone are actually with someone else -- but I am feeling more than a little bit like I jumped the gun by implying that they are quite probably dead. :blush:

I want the number of STILL MISSING to be plastered EVERYWHERE so that we can keep an eye on how many families are reunited and how many people have died.

[triguy46]

68. This just seems so odd...

losing 9400 people? Where are they? Its difficult to hide that many bodies, and I can't imagine that 9500 wanted to be disappeared for criminal or civil reasons. Just seems weird.

[RepublicanElephant]

73. didn't mayor nagin predict 5,000-10,000 dead? i think he was right....

...all along. the guys knows his city. he knew the disaster scenarios. he knew the projected death toll. that's why he ordered 25,000 body bags.

what's needed is an independent, relaible organization-established website, where realatives can directly list their missing loves ones...

'cause we know we'll NEVER get all true stats from dubya's administration.

[Megahurtz]

74. I KNEW these assholes were downplaying the death toll.

:mad:

[file83]

78. You, too? Something just isn't right when one week they...

...predict upwards of 25,000 dead, and the next week they only count 500. Hmmm. Kind of like the 2004 election, who ever wins, or how many died in Katrina depends on who is doing the counting. What is their definition of "Killed by Katrina"?

You know with the "Killed in the Iraq War" dead soldier count, they don't include the soldiers that die from wounds sustained IN Iraq as long as they die enroute to leaving Iraq in the air or in the hospitals in Germany.

They are just doing their best to herd the flock of sheeple.

[callady]

75. 17,000-19,000 homeless in New Orleans

Health Care for the Homeless Program
2025 Canal Street
How many died? How many are accounted for?

New Orleans, LA 70112
Phone [phone]


According to service providers' statistics, 17,000 to 19,000 men, women and children in the New Orleans area are homeless.

Facts About The Homeless

In New Orleans Approximately:
? 33% are families; most being women with children
? 30% have jobs: part time; seasonal; minimum wage
? 23% have a chronic mental illness
? 50% have substance abuse problems
? 85% are natives of Louisiana, 15% are non-natives
? Less than 10% of the homeless population is homeless by choice or "hard core" homeless.


http://www.cityofno.com/portal.aspx?portal=48&tabid=6

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