Given the Choice: Kerry Elected OR Bush Impeached / Resign in Disgrace?

[hang a left]

As emotionally devastating as the Presidential election of 04 was, I am really enjoying my front row seat at the beginnings of the fall. I was so excited on Wednesday night that I did not sleep.

If Kerry would have been elected, we would not have had the pleasure of watching these treasonous criminals removed from office.

[flordehinojos]

1. remember that bush and his band of two bit con artists are still in power,

that he is the son of POPPY and BABS Bush, that they pull the wool over a lot of people's eyes, that POPPY UNDERCOVER CIA HANDS can make anything happen, and that ...

i doubt that anything, or anyone, will be powerful enough to tumble the bushit boy--sad as it is.

[neebob]

8. Me either

I mean seriously, look what's in the White House and how much worse messed up the world is in just five years, and the country's full of people who think it's OK - a good thing, even. I have a hard time staying positive. I'm just sitting here processing the idea of preferring the vague hope of this clown criminal somehow getting his to having had a smart president with a conscience instead. Ugh.

[cassiepriam]

14. Yes. They have always been above the law, the law is for other folks.

The band of cronies is wide and deep. More than enough protection for Bush.

[TabulaRasa]

2. No Contest

Bush impeached/resign in disgrace. I developed a profound contempt for Kerry over the course of the campaign, and the thought of having to look at him for four years was a very disturbing thought. The only thing that led me to vote for that guy was the thought of having to look at * for four years. Anyway, my goal has always been the destruction of the Republican party, not the ascension of the Vichy Democrats. Bush's resignation/impeachment would do more for that cause than four years of Kerry's spineless nonsense ... and would benefit the country more in the long run.

[Barad Simith]

3. Oooh yeh

If he's impeached, or forced to resign, it will feel better than if he hadn't stolen the election (especially since, IMO, Kerry should have made a major, prolonged legal stink over what happened in Ohio).

[O.M.B.inOhio]

4. Yes, it's satisfying but...

there's always the (high) chance they'll squirm out of this. But more importantly, with every day Bush is in office, there is more death and suffering, more wealth concentrated and poverty deepened, more destruction of irreplaceable natural resources, more disintegration of worldwide esteem and trust of the US, and deeper entrenchment of the forces of corruption and greed -- including TWO appointees to the Supreme Court whose ideology may well bring about more of the evils above.
I would gladly give up the satisfaction of watching the Bush Junta suffer in order to have more peace, justice, and prosperity in this country and the world. You can always get your laughs from Larry David instead.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

5. I feel the same way.

Things certainly wouldn't be perfect, no matter how hard Kerry tried, but they would be a whole lot better than they are now.

Besides, Bush will eventually be spooning Satan, so that makes up for it.

[SammyBlue]

6. That's a strange choice

That's like being given a choice of either being able to spend the rest of my life wealthy, successful, making love to the world's most beautiful women. . .or getting my schwantz chopped off with a dull rusty butter knife while getting a white hot poker enema.

Hmmmm. . .decisions, decisions.

[RagingInMiami]

7. Well if he gets impeached

Maybe the republicans will finally shut up about clinton

[EST]

12. Don't bet on it.

I am sure the whackos that are circling the dead bodies around DeLay will find out that it was all Clinton's fault, it they haven't, already.
After a lot of disappointed, heart broken introspection, I have finally come around to the notion that it was, in fact, a good thing that Kerry dropped out, oops, I mean...
After all, think about it, Kerry would have to try to straighten the mess out with the DLC riding his ass and nearly half the country and all the media motor mouths convinced that he had stolen it.

Chances are nearly one hundred percent that he would be working with a hostile congress and the only tool at his disposal would be an easily overridden veto, thus holding hostage not only the minority party, but the presidency, itself. This would probably be just a placekeeper for the next onslaught. The only way the great mass of asses that is the American citizenry can be educated is through experience. The population, as a whole, has to be treated as a single great, particularly dumb animal. Not that individual people are not smart, but the whole is not greater than the sum of its parts, it is much stupider.

The only way to accomplish a major shift in thinking, and even then there will be a large number totally unreachable, is for the conditions to become so loathsome that the great dumb dinosaur shudders itself awake in horror. That awakening is running a race with the destruction wrought by the misfits wanking the government--will we waken in time to stop the bad dream before it is too late? At this point, it is too close to call.

[shockingelk]

9. Kerry

Would have brought new strategy to Iraq and Hurricanes wouldn't have fueled cronyism.

[emulatorloo]

20. and Fitz still would have been after Rove et al

EOM

[RC]

10. If Kerry had gotten in, the criminal repugs would have continued what

they were doing with Clinton, the intensity of which would depend on how far Kerry deviated from what the criminal repugs wanted. We would have still had to deal with their criminal shit the next time they got in anyway. The original plan was for this to start in 1992, not 2000.

[EST]

13. Highly intelligent, well reasoned post.

This entire thread seems to be populated with bright, thoughtful people--maybe it's the hour...

[Blasphemer]

11. For the sake of the Supreme Court, Kerry elected

but I certainly am enjoying watching their downfall. If Kerry had been elected, they would have spent all of their energy tearing him down and continuing their criminal deeds in secret. At least this way, they are being exposed but it is a huge price to pay with a generation of SC appointments on the line.

[Withywindle]

15. Well, my first choice isn't one of your options...

If we were in the second term of the Gore administration, things would be very different.

I still feel this country was robbed of TWO potentially great Presidents--I think both Gore and Kerry are very intelligent, very caring, very well-versed, experienced men who sincerely wanted the best for this country and have good skills to make that happen--and I can't say I'm "over it" in either case.


As for the question you asked, get back to me when the Bush crime family IS actually removed from office in disgrace. The theoretical still isn't good enough for me.

[DanCa]

16. Kerry Elected - the supreme court is too important to gamble with.

[B Calm]

17. If Kerry had been in office, there would be a lot of dead people

today that would still be alive. I'm getting great joy watching the GOP self destruct, but everything has its price.

[TomClash]

18. Kerry was elected, so was Gore

Bush was installed

[The Backlash Cometh]

19. Keep an eye on two screens.

Not just the fall of the Bush Empire, but the rise of the next one. Looks like McCain is busy prompting up Republican governors in preparation for the next stolen election. He's been endorsing Schwarznegger AND Blackwell.

[cmf]

21. Um, Kerry elected, of course

Right now, the supreme court would be much safer. We wouldn't be able to get total liberals, but we wouldn't have Bush's crony personal lawyer on the verge of being confirmed. All schadenfreude that I might get to enjoy right now would be nothing compared to the relief I would have felt if the election hadn't been stolen from Kerry.

[tomg]

22. This is actually quite difficult.

On the one hand, the Supreme Court appointments are crucial; on the other, a Kerry Presidency would have been utterly hamstrung by Republican control of the House and the Senate. In the same way, Kerry would have inherited such a massive disaster (Irag, the economy) courtesy of BushCo, that much of his presidency would have been just so much damage control and so little "progress" that the apparent lack of "progress" would have been construed as a failure of the Democratic party. Instead of the Republicans facing the 2006 mid-term elections in a very weakened state, the Democrats would have ( I know they would not have had control of the House or Senate but . . . )faced these problems. There is a real chance that Kerry would have lost in 2008 as a result.

At this stage, it seems to me, there is absolutely no way that the Republicans can spin the disasters. It is going to translate into House and Senate seats ( I hope), and the Republicans have a good shot at crashing and burning. George is at 37%. Americans are getting fed up with religious wrong. The scandals are mounting.

I want to see the impeachment. Actually, since we are wishing ( although one is possible), I would like to see FDR come back from the dead, be re-appointed president under a little known clause that let's dead presidents who return from the grave complete their terms, and turn to Bush and tell him "You're goddam grandfather got away, that treacherous bastard, but you're ass is mine."

[mandyky]

23. Even if Bush isn't impeached or doesn't resign

The mask is pretty much off the GOP agenda. 60% of Americans think we are headed in the wrong direction.

Now, the Democrats in 06 and 08 have to have common sense without giving up on core Democratic values.

I voted for Kerry, but it was an anti-Bush vote. I did not vote for Gore, but since I am in Kentucky I doubt it mattered.

Personally, now that the Bush admiinistration, and the GOP in general,
is imploding, I think it will be a boon to the Dem Party, if we can provide a clear vision and a palatable alternative. Hopefully, the DLC does not succeed in dragging us to the right.

[Loge23]

24. ..and if Gore was President

... as he rightly deserved to be, perhaps none of this would have happened.

[meganmonkey]

25. If you'd asked me in January, I would have said Kerry Elected, no question

but in the fantasy world you have offered ( ;) ) I would now say watching bushco go down would be better. After all we have witnessed in the last 10 months, I just want to see the facade shatter and watch their pitiful power-hungry brand of evil exposed and crumbling...

I am approaching your question in full fantasy mode, though, in a practical sense I would rather go back in time and have Kerry be president from day one - actually, I'd rather go all the way back to 2000 and give Gore his rightful place in the White House.

[FreedomAngel82]

26. It is true

We wouldn't be getting justice and Bush would've gotten away with all the crimes he's done. I say it's political justice. This is pleasing me very much and I too am enjoying the view. I have lots of popcorn in the cabinet for when things get really exciting. I'm so nervous and excited too.