No army contact, then no yearbook photo for your kids.

[Obamanaut]

Saw this in the Jacksonville, FL paper this morning. Doesn't seem right somehow to me. Keeping the recruiter from hounding my kid would keep him/her from enjoying a lot of the high school good times.

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/100605/met_19960764.shtml

<snip>
Opting to keep your child's personal information away from military recruiters now shuts them out of any recognition; Duval County schools are changing policy.
<snip>
Duval County parents who want to keep their children from military recruiters face an all-or-nothing decision. They can either approve the release of personal information to recruiters or give up all public recognition including being pictured in the yearbook and listed in sports programs and the honor roll.
<snip>
Duval County notifies parents at the beginning of the school year about its policy for giving out personal information. Parents have three options. They can approve the release of student information, restrict it to the military and colleges and universities only or they can prohibit the release of any personal information whatsoever.

But the last option has meant students would also be kept out of the yearbook, sports programs and listings of honors and awards.
<more)

[liberal N proud]

1. The kids are the ones who get hurt here

These fascist have no feelings for the children at all.

[Obamanaut]

17. This is why I retired in the small town where I was born, in

north Fl. We don't even go to Jacksonville unless it is an absolute necessity.

Rest assured that we will work with both our daughters to keep their high school age kids' names out of the military roster.

[liveoaktx]

88. VIDEO-Olbermann's Worst Person in the World

WPW

[spooky3]

94. good catch!

[xxqqqzme]

2. these peole need

new school board members!

[Imagevision]

110. Quite obviously some Duval County officials must be replaced

The recruiters are getting there asses chewed out by Washington for extremely low recruit numbers they're in total desperation.

Now they'll take high school drop-outs and get a load of this-> they'll accept some felons depending on your crime!

Bush knows he can't reinstate the draft because the country would converge on Washington as bad as they did in the 60's...!

I'm just waiting for Fitzgerald to drop the hammer!

[Imagevision]

111. I say rally to have an independant to provide yearbooks 4 free

Bring in Arrianna Huffington - Michael Moore to put their 2 cents in about Duval county officials...!

[maxsolomon]

3. no selective service, no college loans

just extending the franchise into high school.

are we free yet?

[Liberty Belle]

56. Our district was that way, 'til I complained. They changed the policy.

Getting media exposure helps. I mentioned that I write for the local newspaper, and would be doing an article in the near future on the recruitment issue.

[Sequoia]

4. Somehow seems wrong! It's WAY wrong. What year is this 1937 Berlin?

That is pure evil! EVIL!

[tk2kewl]

5. time to organize their own honor roll, sports programs and yearbooks

:grr:

[EFerrari]

20. Do an alternate one for now. A professional one and make sure

the library gets a copy.

Fascism, plain and simple. :nuke:

[tk2kewl]

32. my guess is that the alternate yearbook will have a lot more students

in it than the "official" yearbook

[One_of_8]

49. Yep, an "underground" yearbook

Waaaay more cool than the school-sponsored one. From what I remember of my high school yearbooks, they were mainly devoted to photos of what all the "in" kids were doing: cheerleaders, football players, etc. The average kid was basically invisible, except for a grainy photo taken of the high school band during halftime. I'd love to see this backfire in the school board's face, with a majority of the students opting out entirely and making alternative arrangements. Imagine a pathetically thin yearbook, more than half the students not named or otherwise listed. It only makes the school look bad.

[jackster]

55. NOT in Jacksonville

it is one of the reddest places in FL - they are CRAZY there - my relatives live there and they are NUTS! Jax used to be a great town, but now it's just filled with hateful wingnuts!

[Toots]

91. Then their children deserve to be hounded by the military

Why would the parents object. It is all for the Empire....What is a child or two when oil is at stake..

[Clark2008]

34. How about suing the Bejeezus out of the school board?

Even if the parents don't win, the bad publicity and cost to the taxpayers will straighten up the school board.

[tk2kewl]

36. that too

[louis-t]

6. Blackmail

Pure and simple.

[mmonk]

41. Yes, the first thing that popped into my mind

Freedom sure is different than I imagined.

[BlueCaliDem]

62. Isn't This Pure Discrimination by the school? N/T

[Broken_Hero]

87. Yeah, true...

We are not as free, as we think we are, it seems more chains are being wrapped around us every day...

[MsConduct]

7. Ahhhh, don't you just love the sound of the storm trooper's boots

coming down the main street in your town?

[fooj]

8. That's just plain bullshit!!!

They can't deny a student their GPA! What the hell are they thinking? I'd go after these people! Big time!!!!

peace.

[FreedomAngel82]

52. Their GPA too???

[fooj]

79. Honor roll=GPA...

these bastards are soooooooo out of control!

peace.

[Lifelong Protester]

101. well, not really

I am a school administrator, and Honor Roll is taken from the GPA, an all kids have a GPA regardless of their honor roll status (or not).

Anyway, I would not put up with this crap at my school, and I would also agree with the comments here on going to the press, threatening a lawsuit, and let's here it for the return of the UnderGRouNd PResS!

[Wickerman]

9. can't be legal

that is disgusting.

Anyone know any law?

[GreenPartyVoter]

14. I can't believe this is possible. Wonder what the ACLU says?

[Obamanaut]

21. This, from the article, is the only thing I've found so far re ACLU

"The Jacksonville chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union also has contacted the Duval County school system about the issue."

same link as OP

[GreenPartyVoter]

28. Well, at least they know about it.

[LostinVA]

44. I don't think it is legal

Parents/students are allowed by the FEDERAL government not to release personal info. This is illegal "within" many different layers. Sue! You'll win.

[PegDAC]

108. Exactly!!

Isn't this a Privacy Act issue?

[Xithras]

78. It's been legal for decades. This is actually nothing new and isn't NCLB.

Look up FERPA, the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act. FERPA basically says that all of the kids in schools get put into a directory, and that directory has their contact info, achievements, and a bunch of other info on it. That directory is available to military recruiters, private companies, colleges and universities, and any other organization that can prove "legitimate interest".

When you don't want the military to contact your kid, you're implementing the "Opt-Out" clause in FERPA and are being dropped from that list. There is only one list, and you're either on it or off it.

By the way, an even BIGGER problem is looming for kids who's parents opt them off this list. Without being listed, you're education can't be verified by universities and employers later in life. Since you can't remove an opt-out once you've graduated, someone applying for a job could easily find themselves denied if they decided to check their degrees as part of the hiring process. The official response to a degree check for any FERPA opt-out is "We're sorry, but we have no records of anyone with that name attending here".

I work at a college. It happens, and it sucks. Some people are lucky enough to find this out and can prove their degree with an official transcript, but I have a feeling that many people just end up getting generic rejection notices.

BTW, the only thing NCLB did is prohibit schools from keeping the list from military recruiters. FERPA has given the military rights to the lists since the 70's, but a handful of districts around the country have always been reluctant to hand them over. NCLB simply required them to do so. It didn't change the way the directory list itself worked at all.

[Wickerman]

81. Jeebus

that is horrifying - I had no idea. Excellent post, by the way. With a new intro that would be an excellent standalone original post. I hope you consider reposting.

[HereSince1628]

10. Can you say coercive? I doubt this will stand up in court.

1. The information isn't identical
2. The intended use of the information isn't identical
3. The policy effectively punishes children for decision of their parents.
4. The intent of the policy seems to be to coerce parents not to excercise their legal rights.

My guess is a little public floor time at the next school board meeting will put the school attorney into action to change the policy.

[HereSince1628]

11. sorry somehow duped that

[Mutley]

12. How is that legal?!?

Isn't the military supposed to be voluntary? How is denying kids those things when they have done nothing wrong going to convince them to join the military? I would give them my info and make sure I tell every recruiter who called me to go fuck themselves. I swear, by the time I have school age kids I'm going to have no choice but to homeschool them.

[fooj]

13. The local high school in my area has a 90% opt-out rate!

These parents should be screaming!

Peace.

[Whoa_Nelly]

15. Write, call or email the Superintendent/School Board members

Since when has the Armed Forces become the dictator that school district???? This seems to me to be a type of not only blackmail, but complete and utter Facsism! What better way to discourage children from learning, participating than to send out the message that they are not worthy unless the submit to this bullying by those who are in charge of their educational future. :mad:

Here's the email contact page:
http://www.educationcentral.org/administration/superintendent/asksuper.asp

And here's the snail mail address and phone numbers:
Duval County Public Schools
1701 Prudential Drive
Jacksonville, Florida 32207-8182
[phone]
TDD: [phone]

Here's the link for contact each and every school board member:
http://www.educationcentral.org/schoolboard/

[Obamanaut]

66. Outstanding idea. I did, my email to them attached

A most pleasant good day. I ran across this item as I glanced at the Jacksonville paper at a stop for coffee this morning. The on-line is provided after the heading.

No Army, then no photo in yearbook
Opting to keep your child's personal information away from military recruiters now shuts them out of any recognition; Duval County schools are changing policy.

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/100605/met_19960764.shtml

Not being overly familiar with the entire “No Child Left Behind” I’m puzzled how we can decide to penalize the students because the parents choose to “opt out” of the data base provided for recruiters. Should not instead the parents be rewarded for wanting to keep their children alive? Bearing in mind that this is my opinion (even though it IS shared by millions of others) we are currently involved in an illegal and ill begotten war, a war that has killed thousands of non-combatants who had the simple misfortune of living in an oil-rich area that powerful interests coveted. We’ve also killed or maimed several thousand of our own young people.

How, I ask you, can it possibly be justified that we now punish our high school students (by restricting some of their high school experience) whose only crime is having parents who do not want to outlive their children?

[Kikosexy2]

16. Unconstitutional...

parents need to unite and fight them in court...it's extortion and blackmail.

[dickthegrouch]

18. Allow the military contact but insist that

the school be forced to show one of the truly horrific anti-war movies such as "Saving Private Ryan" or "Full Metal Jacket" to make sure the kids get an accurate view of what they are signing up for.

It is not all beautifully manicured golf courses and college and comfy planes, which is all they show on television ads.

Insist that a couple of homeless Vets also be on hand to give their perspective.

Fight stupidity with sense.

[Whoa_Nelly]

23. Fight stupidity with sense by calling them on their BS

This is not an issue on which to capitulate. By accepting this BS, and demanding another side be allowed 9fair and balanced?), is condoning the entire package.

And what is it that has started this agenda for this school district? Are their Federal funds that will be denied if they don't follow through with this BS? Is the school district itself a pilot plan that they have been bullied into by the threat of withdrawal of funding/programs?

[Lifelong Protester]

102. yes there are federal funds

that can be withheld, but if most americans only understood, the tab that the feds pick up (which varies by district based on a lot of factors, by for example, how many children you have who live in poverty) is only from 2% to 7% of a school's budget. Yes that is a lot, but in our tiny district we already have discussed at an administrative level that if the requirements of the feds get too onerous, we will say, 'thanks but no thanks' and go to a referendum to ask our locals to pick up the feds' tab (in our district, less than $35,000).

[FreedomAngel82]

57. Or what about

Braveheart? :shrug: That's warish?

[KyndCulture]

19. My son is a Junior in Duval County right now...

I am on hold for the School Board representative for his high school right now. She is about to have ONE VERY ANGRY ANTI WAR MOM on her phone...


:nuke:

[EFerrari]

24. Go get 'em.

It so hard to believe we've come to this.

[Obamanaut]

25. Will you keep us updated please? nt

[soup]

26. Go get 'em!

This is baloney! Let us know what they say.

:grr:

[nashville_brook]

37. you go, girl!

my mom would have done the same thing. she LOVED raising hell with the school. it's good fer ya. makes you live longer.

[The Doctor.]

47. Fill us in when you can.

I'm sure everyone would love to know what she has to say.

[KyndCulture]

69. update downthread... nt

[Caoimhe]

61. WOOHOO!

Please let us know what happens!

This is disgusting.

[KyndCulture]

68. update downthread... nt

[spuddonna]

22. This is ridiculous!

And I see it's coming out of FL... Why does that not surprise me?

:eyes: These people are insane...

[Richard Steele]

27. What a stinking crock of fascism! No SPORTS either?

No way can they justify this BS!

I hope a few well-placed lawsuits are underway!

[derby378]

29. Someone please call the Duval County ACLU

I wanna see someone in handcuffs over this mess before the day is out.

[Whoa_Nelly]

35. Here's the Duval ACLU info

Jacksonville Chapter (Including the counties of Baker, Clay, Duval, Flagler, Nassau and St. John's)

Chapter Chair: Ken Hurley
Media Contact: Ken Hurley
Phone: [phone].

http://www.aclufl.org/take_action/chapters/jacksonville/index.cfm

[Dem Agog]

30. That is Vicious...

And in Duval, near where my nieces are being raised. Brutal and cruel.

[bunkerbuster1]

31. We're surprised that fascist municipalities would pull this, why?

Ok, I actually am. Even though I knew there'd be some kind of blowback for those parents who wanted to keep their kids' contact info from recruiters, I had no idea that the schools themselves would be Bush's willing executioners.

What fucking pigs.

[hobbit709]

33. Mark Twain said it

"First God made idiots, that was for practice.
Then He made school boards"

[nashville_brook]

38. so, the yearbooks will just be full of pics of dead people, gone to war

in bush's jihad. nice.

[insane_cratic_gal]

39. They are doing for funding?

Do schools not get a cut or a percentage from NCLB? I know the reason recruiters have the info in the first place is a the slipped in portion of the NCLB bill.

But what's in it for the school is what I want to know? Once you know that shame them into being a money grubbing school.

I'd pull my child right out of the school system, hell i'd move just on principle. Right to privacy wtf happened to that?

[DaveJ]

40. And the Cons want to get rid of the ACLU

The ACLU and others who care about freedom probably will get the people to chance their minds.

Thing is, what if the ACLU didn't exist? What if the internet didn't exist to spread the word about these attempts at fascism? We probably would have become a re-manifestation of the 3rd Reich by now.... :scared:

[bunny planet]

42. If no yearbook picture is the price I have to pay to keep my kids alive

I think we can make that sacrifice.
What bastards. I don't think this could ever happen in our blue school in a blue state, but you never know.

[Shine]

43. WTF??!! That's bullshit and really pisses me off

How unfair to those kids! There's gotta be some parents at that school that are willing to stand up and speak out about this. It's unacceptable. I would raise HELL if I were there! :mad:

Shine

[FreedomAngel82]

64. Yes

Especially one of those kids who puts their hearts and soul into everything and they're really involved and then they're not listed in any of the activities. :(

[SoCalDem]

45. Sounds like the parents just need to ask to be present

when the recruiter "talks' to the kid.. If the kid is under 18, that would not be an unreasonable request anyway.. There's more than one way to approach this.. Recruiters might be a bit more subdued if a kid has Mom & Dad with him/her:)

[malachi]

53. Opt Out Program for military recruitment lists

and the Pentagon's illegal database.

http://www.leavemychildalone.org/

[SoCalDem]

59. I know about that, but the article said they would be left out

of the yearbook if they did NOT comply.. Having parents present might be a way around that.

[centristo]

46. interesting....(2000 and 2004)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_2000

According to the study, only 3% of the 111,261 overvotes had markings that could be interpreted as a legal vote. According to Anthony Salvado, a political scientist at the University of California, Irvine, who acted as a consultant on the media recount, most of the errors were caused by ballot design, ballot wording, and efforts by voters to choose both a president and a vice-president. For example, 21,188 of the Florida overvotes, or nearly one-fifth of the total, originated from Duval County, where the presidential race was split across two pages. Voters were instructed to "vote every page". Half of the overvotes in Duval County had one presidential candidate marked on each page, making their vote illegal under Florida law. Salvado says that this error alone cost Gore the election.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vote2004/PresidentialByCounty.aspx?oi=P&rti=G&tf=l&sp=FL

County---- Bush------ Kerry----- Nader
Duval---- 219,251---- 158,121---- 1,218



Looks like you reap what you sow Florida. Sleep in the bed you made.

[DaveJ]

48. It's the Law.... ?

Just found something intersting (edit: "horrifying") at:
http://www.motherjones.com/news/outfront/2002/11/ma_153_01.html


"the No Child Left Behind Act, President Bush's sweeping new education law passed earlier this year. There, buried deep within the law's 670 pages, is a provision requiring public secondary schools to provide military recruiters not only with access to facilities, but also with contact information for every student -- or face a cutoff of all federal aid."

[Darth Lib]

50. This is prety crappy!

[FreedomAngel82]

51. Now you know why

they call the program No Child Left Behind. If you haven't go to http://www.informationclearinghouse.info and see the film "The War Party." There's no such thing as privacy anymore. EVERYONE should know about this.

[Liberty Belle]

54. Sue them. The law doesn't require this.

Other districts allow you to opt out of military recruitment contact only -- not college contacts, yearbook photos, etc. This is discriminatory and violates your child's right to privacy, I should think.

Get a lawyer!

[jackster]

58. don't forget

the new head of Florida education system was fired from her job in another state for trying to ram creationism down the throats of the people. Jeb was all atwitter when he got her to bring her sorry a** down to FLA!

[dretceterini]

60. Let them print their yearbooks

then recreate Farenheit 451 with them

[Lifelong Protester]

103. Oh lordy yes,

she was from the neighboring state here, Minnesota, and they could not get rid of her fast enough (Yeckes is her name, and she came to MN from VA).

[norml]

63. Yet another reason not to move to Jacksonville Fl. Armpit of the U.S.A.

I've been there.

It's something else.

[4_TN_TITANS]

65. National Education Association....

See if the local chapter might take it on. That's a unions with some mighty balls......

[KyndCulture]

67. UPDATE: I spoke to the school district officials about this.

In case you didn't see my post upthread, my son who is staying with his dad this school year is a Junior in a Duval County school and he is opted out by his dad and me.

So I called the school board rep for his district and gave a LENGTHY piece of my mind this afternoon.

She basically was taken aback that I was so angry. I flat out told her this is a case of common sense taking a back seat to a policy...


She said that maybe I misconstrued the article (try again lady) and that what it means is that it's a "Privacy Policy" and if we have opted our son out via the No Child Left Behind act that we also forfeited any other means of "identifying" our child - meaning no public photos, no name on sports rosters or sports programs, no name on anything that could possibly appear in a newspaper such as honor roll or awards and achievements and possibly GET THIS SHIT - "some senior activities" including graduation.... OH HELL NO.

After her diatribe of explaining the policy to me I told her that the policy is prejudicial and is blackmail and that I want to speak to the head of the school board ASAP. She took all my info and my son's school info and said she would forward along my complaints to the rest of the board.

She then said that they did plan to "reassess" the policy for the next school year to which I said THAT IS IN NO WAY GOOD ENOUGH.

I had to take a full hour to stop shaking after that phone call, my head exploded.

[IdaBriggs]

70. Good for you! Yeah! You go, girl! nt

[jumpoffdaplanet]

72. Wow! So the kids opted out this year will not graduate?

I wonder if other parents know about that?

Did you tape the call? Remember to record everything so they can't lie about they've already said.

[KyndCulture]

73. NO they will graduate

but what it sounds like she was saying is they won't read their names aloud and they won't walk for their diploma...

Two things that are VERY important to a kid ya know? That's SO goddamn unfair to them.

So it's like basically they don't exist because we forfeited their right to get any recognition publically.

[Lifelong Protester]

104. And what is so asinine about this

is that basically all schools (well, maybe I am overreaching here, but in Wisconsin) local schools control all of that business about who 'walks' at graduation and who doesn't. We have kids walk and pick up a blank diploma if they have NOT earned the correct amount of credits and need summer school!
That business of not including all kids at the ceremony is highly protected in our state. A kid practically has to be an incarcerate soul to not walk at grad. And I do not think that opting out of a visit by a recruiter would even come close to being a reason (or opting out of the 'list').

[Obamanaut]

74. Post 66 is my email to Duval County board members, including

the superintendent, and the state commissioner

[KyndCulture]

75. Very good email!

I'm headed for a phone call to the state commissioner myself if I can't get any person with a brain on the phone at the local level.

I am one fucking angry mom right now.

[Obamanaut]

76. Thanks. I'm practicing for when it comes over to my county and

my grandchildren. I'm retired military. It has begun to really aggravate me that so many "decision makers" are in my age group and older, and the decisions they make don't affect them at all - but some of those decisions end up killing off our young people.

Good Luck to you KC. Off topic, we call my male chihuahua KC so he won't develop an ego problem (name is King Charles)

[PegDAC]

109. OMG!!

I am SO glad my daughter was well out of high school before this insanity went into effect.

[The Doctor.]

82. Believe it or not, Knife-Throwing is very relaxing and theraputic...

It's what I do after having to deal with a hammerhead like this woman.

Thank you, we all have to fight hypocrisy and idiocy.

[cynatnite]

99. Please keep us update...this is an obscene use of power and

is blackmail as you said.

I would also contact other parents and get their names on a petition or something to draw even more attention to this abuse of power.

[raysr]

71. Small price to

pay for the machine leaving your kid alone IMHO

[LizW]

77. I want to know where school districts got the idea

My children's school district uses the same method to suppress Opt-outs. We got a letter in the registration packet back in the summer, and I mentioned it here at DU.

I know the school superintendent and the school board members and I intend to ask them where this idea originated. I am almost positive they didn't come up with it themselves. I'll bet it came from the military or from Bushco somehow.

[progressoid]

80. W? T? F?

[KyndCulture]

83. Does anyone know another district doing this?

I'm trying to gather as much info as possible before I call the state edu commissioner tomorrow.

[susanr516]

96. Corpus Christi TX ISD

may have a similar policy. My son is only a fifth-grader, but the standard form included with the student handbook states that opting out your student for military recruiters also removes their names from the student directory and any sports programs. It did not specifically state students' names would be removed from the yearbook, graduation programs, or the honor roll, but it sounds quite similar.

[alarimer]

106. But it is legal for parents to opt out

How can the schools be so coercive. Is the damn money all they care about? Well, Texas schools are in bad shape financially but this is ridiculous. Kids shouldn't have to talk to recruiters if their parents don't want them to but they shouldn't be punished for it.

I have seen nothing about this in the local paper. Maybe it isn't enforced in the CCISD or is it because no one has raised a stink? There must be some objectors at least, despite the high military presence in the area.

[DIKB]

84. Duval County schools

Doing their best to feed their kids into the Iraq Meat Grinder. I hope they suffer the just consequences of their actions.

[il_lilac]

85. bull****

when I opted my son out there were TWO boxes to check- one not to release to military and a secod option for colleges

[highplainsdem]

86. ROFL- Olbermann just named the school board the worst persons in the world

[The Backlash Cometh]

89. Gee, would this be the county with one of the highest black population?

[DaveJ]

90. Yeah 26.5% almost twice the state's average of 13.7%

If my calculation is correct, from http://www.fedstats.gov/qf/states/12/12031.html.

[The Backlash Cometh]

92. Republican machinations are getting transparent, aren't they?

[Lasher]

93. All must serve in herr Bush Youth (EOM)

[AngryOldDem]

95. Fuck. Them.

So be it -- NOBODY -- and I repeat NOBODY -- from the military is getting ANY information about my kid. And I have told my high school freshman that she is to walk away from anyone who tries to solicit her into joining up. And I am just waiting for that first (and last) recruitment phone call.

Just where in the hell are we? United States, 2005, or Nazi Germany, 1940? Some days it's getting increasingly difficult to tell.

And you are right -- this kind of coercion is uncalled for, and sounds like a ready-made fight for the ACLU. Why should my child be penalized for not agreeing to disclose personal information? This should be a wake-up call to ALL parents of high-schoolers. We must have a say in who gets what information about our kids and how.

[mermaid]

97. What A Load Of SHIT!!! Goddamn Fucking Military!! n/t

[cynatnite]

98. The school is doing it...not the military. n/t

[Albert Cirrus]

100. NAZIS

The idiotic republicans wonder why we call them Nazis and fascists, stories like this just prove that.

[sakabatou]

105. Those fuckers!

That HAS to be unlawful!

[iamahaingttta]

107. I say, "Fuck 'em!"

Let their stupid wingnut children go and die in Iraq!!!

Anybody who falls for this fascist bullshit deserves what they get!
An illiberal attitude, I realize, but the only good Nazi is a dead Nazi.

Seriously, any highschool kid who is dumb enough and has parents who are dumb enough not to say "Go Fuck Yourself" to a military recruiter at this point... well, I'm sorry but I have absolutely no symapathy for them. It's almost the end of 2005. Anyone who still drinks the kool-aide, well, I hope it kills 'em!

Sorry to be so fucking blunt, but I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!

[dwightspencer]

112. No Child Left Unharassed by the Military

Most people do not bother to look into the specifics of the "No Child" law. It is written in simple enough language, but most people assume that nothing as menacing could be contained in something packaged under a name so innocuous. Most would be troubled by the way it seems to have a repeating theme of using the school system as a large employment agency for displaced veterans. It also makes K-12 a ripe recruiting ground. The whole thing is just scandalous.

[Ouabache]

113. I know people who are going to allow the contact; not worried about

the kid actually signing up. Their plan is to tie up the recruiter's time so he does not have as much time to contact others, possibly others more vulnerable to his death recruitment. The plan is to say something like "just a minute, I'll get that person for you", then lay down the fucking phone and let the ass rot on the line.