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marshmellow Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:10 AM
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"Wesley" as a name is a tough sell.
Who wants to bet the RW media will attempt to make the claim "Wesley" is french for "soft on terror."

The sad part is the number of americans that will buy it.

Or Howard Dean was governor of a state that has ties with the French. Both in it's history during the american revolution and Dean's attitude toward the gay lifestyle.

Kerry has been to France and has a wife that made money from the sale of french mustard.

Oh, the democrats and their ties to France are evidence of their weakness in the war on terror.

You better get used to the Orwellian claims and unbelievable connections soon to be coming from the RNC.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:13 AM
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Mark Levine says Clark will never be elected because..
guys named "Wesley" don't get elected as president in America." Deep, huh? :puke:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:13 AM
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1. I agree, the Orwellian claims and unbelievable connections coming from DU
..have prepared me for the Orwellian claims and unbelievable connections that will surely come from the RNC.
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MISSDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:20 AM
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5. There is a lot of psychology in a name and, IMHO,
that may prevent some people frome having a prayer of being elected as President of the US. For example, Kuchinich (spelling?) and how do you pronounce it? A lot of people do not know. Wesley does not sound like a President. And that senator with the funny name who is running, Gebhardt?, never happen. Howard, notgonnahappen. Just like Dukakis, not going to happen. Sorry.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:27 AM
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14. Like "Howard" (nerdy) or Dennis (a menace) or Dick (ummmm...)
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 11:44 AM by wyldwolf
...or John (toilet) or Carol (*gasp* WOMAN!)

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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:36 AM
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16. Yeah, you're probably right. People with names like this...
shouldn't even try;

Ulysses
Herbert
Rutherford
Millard
Woodrow
Franklin (let alone TWO guys named Franklin)
Lyndon

Yep, our current group, Al, Carol, Richard, Dennis, Howard, Wesley, John, John, Robert(This is so out there, he dropped out already), and Joseph? No way those names are gonna do it.

puhleeese.
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cprise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:03 PM
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26. Someone must point out the obvious
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 12:04 PM by cprise
So let me do it--


Wesley Crusher



Do we get to call him 'ensign'? :evilgrin:
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:48 PM
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40. Hey lay off my boyfriend!
LOL, I'm sorry, but Wesley Crusher put this nerd girl (and a lot of others) through puberty. :evilgrin:

Oh, and incidentally, Wil Wheaton is a big ol' bleeding heart liberal. :)
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:24 AM
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12. I for one write nothing off - just show me credible evidence
I don't dismiss any sorts of claims if there is credible evidence to support them.

If you want to claim Wesley Clark came form Mars, I'll be highly skeptical and probably ignore you, until you show me credible evidence. I'll accept any truth, no matter how outlandish or distasteful if you prove it to me.

But so far there is no credible evidence of anything, just lots of rumor and innuendo (sp?).

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cprise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 03:32 PM
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52. Hee hee... Will is a moody-*ss bleedin-heart liberal
:)
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:18 AM
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2. France provided us with their Navy during our Revolution...
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 11:22 AM by onehandle
Also their Army, funding, and a voice in Europe. It is said that the British wanted to surrender to Lafayette's Army, as they were the victors.

France made the United States possible decades, possibly centuries before its time.

Bite me, GOP.
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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 04:15 PM
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56. your version of history reads differently than what i was taught
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 04:32 PM by bearfartinthewoods
and the brits wanted to surrender to the french because it was less humiliating to do so than to us..ragtag rabble that we were.
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DemCam Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:18 AM
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3. Just ordered my "Wes Wing" T-shirt.
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Dubyawatchers Donating Member (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:35 AM
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15. The Wes Wing?
I admit its cute but
the West Wing is FANTASY.
President Bartlet, the real life Martin Sheen is a Dean Supporter,
that is reality.
Doesn't it backfire, like the Clark supporters don't know the difference between fantasy and reality?
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TLM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:48 AM
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21. How can they know the difference between fantasy and reality?

They think Clark is a democrat... oh no wait he is an independant and party is just dumb paperwork. Clark is a progressive, no wait, I mean he is such an amazing super human that he is above partisanship.

Image "That's the kind of President Ronald Reagan was. He helped our country win the Cold War. He put it behind us in a way no one ever believed would be possible. He was truly a great American leader. And those of us in the Armed Forces loved him, respected him, and tremendously admired him for his great leadership."

"President George Bush had the courage and the vision... and we will always be grateful to President George Bush for that tremendous leadership and statesmanship."


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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:18 PM
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29. False Dichtomy
No reason he can't be progressive and above partisanship. I'm not going to stand here and argue that he's as progressive as Kucinich, but he's well within the range of progressive thought in the Democratic party.
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boxster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:26 PM
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30. That is, of course, assuming that you actually believe anything he says.
That's the usual next response - he's just lying about his entire candidacy, all of his beliefs, etc., etc. He's a plant. He's Rove in a mask.

Posters conveniently forget that Clark was necessarily non-partisan, because he served Presidential administrations from both parties. So, he said a few nice things about ShrubCo and others. Nearly 90% of the US was saying nice things about Bush after 9/11. Should we summarily discount every politican that ever said a nice thing about a Republican? Good luck.

Rather than his non-partisanship being a negative, I think it's a positive as he's had a lot of experience dealing with both sides. I like to think that he used that experience and compared what he believed in to the beliefs of each party. He picked the right one to represent.
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TLM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:09 PM
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43. He did not simply say a few nice things....
Edited on Tue Oct-07-03 01:10 PM by TLM
"Posters conveniently forget that Clark was necessarily non-partisan, because he served Presidential administrations from both parties.

The quotes in my post are from 2001. Clark was not in the military at that point and was in fact working as a lobbyist for Henry Kissinger. He claims he voted for Gore, yet only a few months later he was heaping praise on republicans for their great leadership at a republican fundraiser.

"So, he said a few nice things about ShrubCo and others. Nearly 90% of the US was saying nice things about Bush after 9/11."

The quotes are from May 11, 2001... before 9-11. Next?


"Should we summarily discount every politician that ever said a nice thing about a Republican? Good luck. "

He made very specific comments about the leadership of men who were arguably the worst leaders this nation ever had and who supported everything Clark now claims to be against.

If I went to a KKK rally and said what a great and visionary leader the grand dragon was... would you believe me if two years later I decided to run for president and suddenly changed my story and said that I wasn't racist?



"And I'm very glad we've got the great team in office, men like Colin Powell, Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice... people I know very well - our president George W. Bush. We need them there."

"We were really helped when President Ronald Reagan came in. I remember non-commissioned officers who were going to retire and they re-enlisted because they believed in President Reagan."

"That's the kind of President Ronald Reagan was. He helped our country win the Cold War. He put it behind us in a way no one ever believed would be possible. He was truly a great American leader. And those of us in the Armed Forces loved him, respected him, and tremendously admired him for his great leadership."

"President George Bush had the courage and the vision... and we will always be grateful to President George Bush for that tremendous leadership and statesmanship."


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TLM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:01 PM
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41. Really and what democratic progressive thought is demonstrated here...

Extra! July/August 1999 Legitimate Targets? How U.S. Media Supported War Crimes in Yugoslavia - By Jim Naureckas
NATO justified the bombing of the Belgrade TV station, saying it was a legitimate military target. "We've struck at his TV stations and transmitters because they're as much a part of his military machine prolonging and promoting this conflict as his army and security forces," U.S. General Wesley Clark explained--"his," of course, referring to Yugoslavian President Slobodan Milosevic. It wasn't Milosevic, however, who was killed when the Belgrade studios were bombed on April 23, but rather 20 journalists, technicians and other civilians.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:55 AM
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25. The West Wing Actually IS A Part Of The White House
That's where the tv program got its name...

But you knew that, right?
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boxster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:14 PM
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27. You're kind of missing the obvious...
Arnold may become Governor of California because people can't tell the difference between fantasy and reality.

Besides, the West Wing refers to the White House and not just some fictional TV show. If there's a TV show called, "The Oval Office", people will still associate the name with the WH and not the show. Same here.
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mark0rama Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:42 PM
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49. Arnold?
Who'd vote for someone named Arnold? Reminds me of Horschak on Welcome Back, Kotter!
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boxster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 05:21 PM
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58. I would have voted for Horschak before I'd vote for Arnold.
:P
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:18 AM
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4. uh, huh
I would think guys named Dwight Eisenhower would have had a problem. :evilgrin:

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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:22 AM
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10. I was going to say guys named Gerald never get elected...
But then there was Gerald Ford. Then I remembered Gerald Ford Was never elected. Oh well.
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MISSDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:24 AM
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11. But it sounds presidential - listen to it.
There is a certain ring to the right name combinations. So does Grover Cleveland.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:21 AM
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6. Grover, wasn't a great name either
.
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mark0rama Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:32 PM
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48. Grover
Well, there wasn't a Muppet by that name back then.
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DemCam Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:21 AM
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7. How about Elvis Presley...
Now there's a tough sell for ya...
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DemCam Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:22 AM
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8. Newt? anyone...
Gingrich?
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:22 AM
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9. Supreme Commander NATO Allied Forces is not a "tough sell"
I think they will have a hard time making him look soft on any issue of national security.

The smarter strategy would be to make him look utterly inept as a politician, attack his experience, and write process stories about his campaign.



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TLM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:14 PM
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44. He is inept as a commander as well...


look at the record in Kosovo... 20,000 bombs and they took out an amazing 13 fucking tanks. But killed 1500 civilians and wounded 10,000 others. And those are NATO's numbers.

8000 of the 10,000 people killed by the serbs died AFTER Clark's air campaign started. I guess bombing tv stations, markets, residential areas, water treatment plants, schools and hospitals to cause economic damage didn't really hurt the serb war machine.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:25 AM
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13. Yeah, much more feminine than Howard??
Bull.. :)
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:36 AM
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17. Damn, and here I thought this thread was about Crusher....
yup, tough sell there.... ;-)
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the_real_38 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:38 AM
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18. My middle name is "Wesley", and I never ...
... thought much of it as a sissy name until Star trek: the next generation, and Wesley Crusher - I think that's where the image came from .
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:45 AM
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19. I like the name
The meaning.....

Wesley ....Male.... English..... "The West Meadow"

At least it doesn't mean "warmonger" :)
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:48 AM
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20. Well if "Dwight" was okay - I guess Wes is okay, too
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NicoleM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:50 AM
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22. bologna.
If TWO guys named Bush can get elected. . .
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:55 AM
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23. I'll bet "Lyndon" and "Franklin" weren't considered macho enough.
Really, I'd expect the nefarious Republicans to OCCASIONALLY rise above the level of the playground. Apparently that's too difficult.
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Jeff in Cincinnati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 11:55 AM
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24. Nobody's going to surrender to the Dread Pirate Wesley
One of my favorite parts of "The Princess Bride."
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:16 PM
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28. and Howard isn't?
didn't you see the signs when Clark was out in Cali--The Wes Wing

I thought those were pretty cool
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:28 PM
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31. One of the dumbest posts ever...
...on DU.
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:28 PM
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They'll call em' General Clark or??? Wes at best.
:shrug:
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:28 PM
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32. They'll call em' General Clark or??? Wes at best.
:shrug:
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karlschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:29 PM
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33. I dunno, it's no weirder than Zachary, Calvin, Millard or Lyndon...
;-)
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dolstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:32 PM
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34. That's GENERAL Wesley to you soldier!!
NT
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Woodstock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:34 PM
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35. but General isn't
the kind of people who are turned off on "Wesley"

will love "General"
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:34 PM
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36. Wesley Reminds Me Of "The Princess Bride" and "Star Trek Next Generation"
... other than that, I see nothing particulary bad (or excessively good) about the name Wesley. What's the big deal?

-- Allen
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Devlzown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:36 PM
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37. What, exactly, IS a manly name?
Does "Arnold" sound manly? Are we going to have to start choosing men with names like Wolfgang or Loki or Thor?
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:37 PM
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38. Butch, Brick, Chuck, Dirk, Hunter
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Devlzown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 12:45 PM
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39. I guess Lance would be another good one.
We might as well cut out the bullshit and get Dean or Clark to change his name to Hunglow Womanlover, since American politics has degenerated into a pissing contest!
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Jeff in Cincinnati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:03 PM
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42. Wolf Blitzer for President!
.
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TLM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:18 PM
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46. Brock Landers and Chest Rockwell...


the dream ticket.

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Devlzown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:27 PM
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47. If Rock Hudson hadn't been gay,
there's no telling how far he could've gone in politics. We might have had him for Prez instead of Reagan. I think the door is wide open for Brad Pitt.
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Scoopie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 01:16 PM
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45. Wesley simply means West
And that's that.
What a silly, silly reason not to vote for someone!
Personally, I like the name "Wesley," but then my son's name is Ramzey, so I'm partical to the "e" ending in names. :)
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:53 PM
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50. perhaps he should change it to 'englebert humperdink"
(sp?)


---btw, i think the anti-france thing won't play with voters. outside of freeper circles, i don't think it ever did. just like that whole 'the dixie chicks have no idea what they're in for when they tour" thing that talk radio concocted
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catforclark2004 Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 02:55 PM
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51. Superficial Alert.......PERFECT NAME & GOOD LOOKING!
If we are talking about a name determining electitability, then I say, the General is fine...and will get many women voters....just on that. Men will vote for him cause he is General Wesley Clark.....actually, in my opinion, that is a name from Central Casting......PERFECT!
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 03:36 PM
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53. At least his name isn't MARSHMELLOW!!
:)
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Northwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 03:51 PM
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54. Well, as we all know...
No one would ever surrender to the Dread Pirate "Wesley".
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 04:08 PM
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55. Kerry also daintly eats hogies w/ swiss cheese
:rolleyes:
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boxster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 05:22 PM
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59. Hey, at least we know he wasn't pandering to his audience!
Maybe it just shows individuality!

Hehe....
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Liberal Classic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 04:16 PM
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57. You see, no one would surrender to the Dread Pirate Wesley.
En guard!
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