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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 05:48 PM
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Grover Norquist knew something about the Ohio GOP's Evil Deeds
During the 2004 election, an audiotape was released of Norquist criticizing Ohio governor Bob Taft at a private gathering of Republicans Abroad. He called Taft "an idiot, stupid, corrupt, dumb rotten Republican Governor ... who has been busy looting the state, raising taxes, lying to the gun owners," and considered him to be a serious liability for the Bush campaign as no Republican has ever won a presidential election without carrying Ohio.

He stated this during September of 2004 BTW.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grover_Norquist
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TheStates Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 05:54 PM
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1. Did Norquist know they left the backdoor unlocked?
Someone in the Ohio GOP must have known that Governor Taft left the backdoor in their own house completely unlocked and wide open, so election officials could steal votes.

Taft certified the use of Diebold tabulators which were brought in to use during 2003 by Thomas Noe, if I remember correctly.

Letting these Diebold machines in when it was well known in advance, that the backdoor was completely open to fraud....And letting these machines in when the Homeland Security was well aware of this fact is the equivalent of a high crime.

The governor must have known Ohio was going to be stolen if they couldn't do it the normal way. Why else did he hide all the financial sheets and do a shredding of all the tax forms? Does this make sense?
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 05:56 PM
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2. He was probably part of the planning committee. He only blew the
whistle because he was pissed that Taft got caught.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 06:20 PM
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3. Grover Norquist abhors fiscal irresponsibility
and that is his only, (only), only redeeming quality
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TheStates Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 06:24 PM
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4. Wait, if he hates fiscal irresponsibility....
Than shouldn't he hate himself? Was it not his "drowning the government in a bathtub" mentality of spending that created the horrific Katrina aftermath?

Wasn't it his flawed, drowning conservative agenda which allowed thousands to drown indifferently?

Democrats should jump all over each of his statements, the agenda failed and what there should be-is a fiscal government that cares for the people. Led by workers and that can take care of crisis situations immediately, not wait for the paychecks. Just hammer these points home and drown the old agenda with it.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 06:26 PM
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5. He would argue
that mismanagement, and not lack of funds, was responsible for the disaster.

And I'd have to agree with him.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 07:20 PM
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6. Grover Norquist does not abhor fiscal irresponsibility.
He abhors only taxes. This is because of the psychological child abuse he describes having been inflicted upon him when young by his father. His only complaint about fiscal irresponsibility is that it may lead to the absence of both immediate and future additional tax cuts or the Satanic horror of actual tax increases.

He considers himself to be the alpha Tax Cut Monkey which he may be. However, in actuality, like every Tax Cut Monkey, he is merely an amoral combination of a deadbeat dad and a welfare queen insisting that all of his government benefits be provided at little or no cost to him, with the bill for his benefits to be paid by America's children, both born and yet to be born.

Gover Norquist is a truly vile, evil, and odious fuck with no redeeming qualties whatsoever. None. Absolutely none. This is the nicest thing that can be said about him.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 08:33 PM
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7. hmm
Norquist: "Washington State taxpayers have made clear in voter referenda over the past few years that they want the state to live within its means.”

“Washington State seems to be on the verge of saying goodbye to performance-based budgeting, abandoning a promising budget reform process begun with the so-called priorities of government (POG) budget model.”

He has actually made sense in some of his pronouncements for tax reform, when he's not grandstanding. But by subscribing to the "starve the beast" theory (where tax cuts come first, and deficit spending inevitably follows) and just being an asshole in general (the "bathtub" quote, calling bipartisanship "date rape", and saying he wants to change the tone in state capitals "and turn them toward bitter nastiness and partisanship") he eliminates any possibility that anyone with a brain will listen to him.

So yes, Grover is a vile, evil, odious fuck--but there is nothing wrong with government living "within its means". That means money goes where it's supposed to go.
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