Is Junior capable of 'sacrificing' Cheney??

[mlawson]

There have been posts saying that 'various intel members are calling for Cheney's resignation', etc etc. No, it's not to that point yet, but VPs go far more quickly than do presidents (real or imposters). Just ask Spiro...

But my question is, could Junior dump Cheney (or let him take the fall in this scandal)?? That would seem the easy way, if not 'out' at least maybe as a delaying tactic, and at best, Cheney as scapegoat. Could Junior personally demand his resignation?? Who would help him? How would the WH camp split up???

[Code_Name_D]

1. You don't sacrifice the King.

Cheeny is the one truly running the show. Bush is just a show peice to hide behind. The real question is, will Cheeny Sacrifice Bush?

[mlawson]

2. Cheney is probably being allowed to run the show.

If our suspicions about the Bush family Evil Empire are accurate, Poppy bush has the real power, along with whichever clandestine groups are the powerbrokers. I doubt that Poppy would allow Junior to be sacrificed. Besides, Cheney at the top of the ticket in 2004, does not win.

[DoYouEverWonder]

3. The decision will not be W's to make

This when the 'power's that be' kick in and take over. Most of what happens from here will be negotiated between the Congress and the WH. I believe Congress will try to follow the Nixon model for a peaceful transition and I hope W and his minions will be graceous enough to accept their fate without putting up too much of a fuss.

[DODI]

5. He can still does what he does.

Just because he resigns doesn't mean he can't use a phone. I don't know about Poppy -- still review his Tufts speech every now and again. The people W has are the people dad rejected. I really think it is Barbara.

[mlawson]

6. I agree: he would have to be given the idea.

Slowly, in Basic English, but enough would get through to get a plan in motion. Other than through impeachment (which the WH would NOT want!), the only way to get a VP to resign, is a direct order by a president. Right??

[w13rd0]

4. Bush had a "committee" to choose his VP candidate...

...they made a pretense of interviewing several possibilities, before Cheney chose himself. Cheney is a lynchpin for the neocons. Pull the lynchpin, and the house will crumble. Richard Pearle only resigned as chairman from the DPB, so now he merely exercizes his conflict of interest as a chair. We can't accept that kind of "accountability". Take out Bush's 'most trusted advisors', and he'll crumble under the weight of his own ineptitude. Remember, during the 2000 Campaign, the defense for Bush against stating the obvious (that he was a stuffed shirt with a name, and a damned lousy resume) was to say he'd surround himself with "good", "competent" people. Recent events have demonstrated that these men and women are neither "good" nor "competent", and they sure as hell don't act like any "adults" I know or respect. Honesty and integrity back in the White House my ass, maybe it's been buried under Cheney's energy papers and George's lies. "Clinton-Gore have not led, we will"...and they have, they've led us into war, recession, terror, fear and divisiveness. Time to let them show the way for all the neocons, straight into exile, maybe in Afghanistan or Antartica...

[a_random_joel]

7. Sure

Cheney goes back to Halliburton to recover his "war chest".

Condi steps in for 2004 campaign.

Cheney still gets to pull all the strings.

Ain't life grand?

[BeFree]

8. The reverse may be true

Cheney may dump gump!

Think of how much dickie must be disgusted of the boy-who-would-be-king....

Old dickie has the residency with in reach...all he has to do is take down the current resident. And he's the one man who can do it. Dickie could, all by hisself, arrange to be done with the puppet.

Now don't worry....if dickie takes out boy george, the weight of all his shananigans would soon mean the end of his own rule.

I suggest we all go easy on poor ol' dickie....he is the one person who can end at least one half of this regime, almost overnite!

[mlawson]

10. I can see two diferent scenarios here:

1) Agreeing with you, Cheney sees is chance for ultimate power in HIS name. A guy like that, it must be eating him alive every day, anyway, the craving, that is. But he knows it would be only for a short while; his removing GWB would categorically DOOM their chances in 2004, even if they make it that long. Would he do it anyway?

2) Cheney knows that the only member of the WH junta who is remotely electable in 2004 is bush. (At least the way things are right now.) If he dumps Junior, 2004 is toast, in case Cheney still has hopes for then. Does he forego his own desperate hopes to be prez, and try to keep Junior viable???

[BeFree]

11. Dick could think he'd be elected in 04

The way things are going, re-selecting the boy is looking less and less likely. So what has he to lose by dumping gump now and shoring up the base? Hell, he could go so far as to LIHOP another attack and blame it on the former resident.

This may be dickie's only chance to become the ruler. Only one little thing stands in his way....

[gulliver]

9. Losing Cheney would mortally wound the administration.

They are in deep trouble now, I think. Cheney and Bush will go out together after the election. Neither of them can withstand sunlight, and the clouds are starting to roll back.

[librechik]

14. Who cares? They'll run off with the cash they grabbed and leave the mess

to the next guy to clean up. They probably hope it's a dem, they can spend the next 4 years smearing and undermining him. It's what they do. Sometimes they get a longer run at it, like in the 80s.

[PretzelWarrior]

12. that would be known as a lobotomy. LOLOL

Bush surrounding himself with talented people is like a hole surrounding itself with a donut.

[librechik]

13. Yeah, poor guy. He'd have to trudge off to his solid gold ambulance

to weep over his towering pile of Halliburton, Bechtel and Carlyle shares. Nurse? Ready my daily bath in the finest Iraqi oil! Never mind, make that the blood of Middle Eastern babies!

[jab105]

15. I think he might....

I think Cheney might be sacrificed...

And Guiliani picked as VP candidate for 2004...

[JasonBerry]

18. No Way Giuliani

Giuliani would be too much of a threat in 2008 if the '04 ticket were to win. The 2008 Republican nomination has one name on it:
Jeb Bush.
The criminal dynasty would not allow Bush to replace Cheney with anybody that could be a threat to Jeb Bush and the continuation of the Bush Cartel.

[Fovea]

16. He won't have to

I see a strong microwave emission in Cheney's future.
Click, click, click --- bzzzzz -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Game over for Dick Cheney, courtesy the CIA.
It will be listed as natural causes, but if if happens,
watch the rest of the PNAC bastards scatter like
cockroaches in the light.

[mlawson]

17. Wouldn't be surprised.

Someone posted a statement here at DU a few months ago that impressed me greatly: "You do NOT fuck with the CIA, or M16!!!" This was during the time when Blair was arguing over the bad intel that he had supposedly got, or something like that, and it seemed that he was trying to blame M16 (the British version of the CIA; I think that I have the name right). The CIA might have taken a fall for bush right now, but there is no telling what they will do to get back at the WH.

[JasonBerry]

19. Look at what happened to JFK

(edit for typing error)

Not that it really matters, it's actually MI6 (British Secret Intelligence Service). Your point is well taken. It wasn't long after JFK's "scatter the pieces into the wind" speech about the CIA and he was dead. MI6 and the CIA are not exactly Home Interior or Department of Veterans Affairs.

[comradebillyboy]

20. bush has lots of cash

will it be enough to buy his way out