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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 03:54 PM
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Want to see what an online swiftboating job looks like?
Edited on Tue Sep-06-05 04:04 PM by benburch
Hey, folks!

A really fine fellow by the name of "Reverend Mykeru", a so-called "liberal" blogger joined forces recently with the oh-so-nice folks at scamdy.com, including so-called "liberal" blogger "Anonymous Army" to discredit me when I was attempting to defend the late Andy Stephenson against the attacks against him. To this end, Mykeru put back online a bit of per se libel that he had concocted several years ago against me when I made him look like a fool and he couldn't handle it. It really is a study in how to spin a mixture of ten percent truth, 80% bullshit, and ten percent artistic talent into a health filled shit smoothie;

http://www.mykeru.com/retribution/bb /

Here is the origin of this little character assassination attempt;

Long ago and far away, Mykeru was one of the most active members of Mike Malloy's web board. He stepped WAY over the line there, finally, into pure trollish behavior and was banned from the place. In fact, they had to modify their rules considerably there because he had been obnoxious in ways that they had not considered at first when they created their rules in the first place.

Because Mykeru thinks rules are only for other people, however, he created a sock-puppet account "Mr. Wiggles" and showed up again to spew his hatred and lies. Now, this was about the time I became active on Malloy's board, and so I had not even "met" Mykeru in his first incarnation under his normal Nom De Guerre. I became incensed with Mr. Wiggle's tactics - posting racist graphics from Klan sites, calling people names, etc, and engaged him.

During this exchange, he sent me several email messages via Yahoo mail that he thought were anonymous, but, as everybody knows, these messages reveal the IP address of their sender. I tried to make him aware of this fact and he told me; You think you are such an Smart Hacker, if you knew what you were doing you would have called me on the phone by now; put up or shut up.

Well, now that I had his permission, I did put up. I determined that Mr. Wiggles shared an IP address with Mykeru. I then determined that Mykeru was a particular fellow in the DC area. I then found his telephone and address that he thought were unlisted, and just to verify that (I didn't want to finger the wrong guy) I bought an dossier of Mykeru from one of those online public records search firms. So, I then had more information about him than you could imagine if you don't know how those things work. I had his name, address, birth records, his wife's name, address, and birth records, his credit score, SSN, tax records... The whole works. I could have had even more if I had been willing to pay more.

But, when I outed Mr. Wiggles, I posted only what you could get online without paying a dime; His name, his address, and his phone number.

Now, should I have done this? Nope. Even though he had challenged me to, I shouldn't have done this. And about six hours later, I edited the information to remove the details that somebody could use to find him. My point was made anyway, and he never again trolled the Malloy board. And I then apologized to him for doing that; The first of several dozen attempts I have made to apologize to him.

Now, Mykeru was really pissed off, and accused me of "violating the anonymity of the net", something which I don't believe exists. He also accused me of wanting to see him killed, as (he said) I obviously knew that the freepers from full-auto.com, especially its owner, Tim, were out to get him. Well, I knew no such thing - I had never read the history of Mykeru's postings on the Malloy board, having only recently gotten active there, and not really having the time to read anything but current postings, and then not all of those!

Mykeru by this time had gotten involved with the web board set up by the fine folks (and I'm not being sarcastic this time) from oldamericancentury.com. In fact he was a moderator there. He asked a person who posts on both boards to invite me over there so we could debate our differences online there and settle things. Or so he said.

I created an account on that board, and we debated a bit, and then he started breaking the rules of the place. He edited my postings to add text like "and I love fucking goats" and similar witty things worthy of one of his intellectual abilities. He would wait online until he saw that I had read the particular posting, and then he would change it right back so that when I complained about it he could pretend it never happened. However, I had screen captured this and he was shown up. Then things really got ugly.

I no longer had a record of which day it was, but he created a posting titled; "A Warning To Master Ben" in which he said "If any fucking freeper calls my home in the middle of the night and wakes up my wife, I will personally drive to Elgin, show up at your door, and cut your heart out there on the stoop." In other words, a death threat! (Oh yes, I forgot to mention that he had returned the favor by looking up my address and phone information - and I had to help him find it - and posting it on that web board.) So get this - he threatened my life over a dispute on a web board!

I replied to him that, again, I was sorry I had posted his information, that I didn't want to hurt him, and that had I really wanted to hurt him I would have posted all of the information in the dossier I had purchased, including his wife's name, employer, ethnicity (she was born in a foreign land), etc, but I would never have done that, and couldn't we please bury the hatchet?

He exploded. He deleted the original posting I had responded to... And then accused me of "dead agenting" his wife - of threatening HER life! And thats been his story and justification ever since - That all of his attacks on me were justified because I had threatened to kill his wife! And I had done no such thing.

Next Mykeru dug up my old usenet personals ad and used it to make a series of graphics mocking MY wife in a very sexual way, he makes quite a big deal out of the fact that I have Herpes (as do MANY Americans, most of whom do not know they have it) and also he dug out the record of an attempt to protest the Illinois head of the Concerned Women For America by asking people to call and visit their offices individually to protest how they were treating several friends of mine. (This dispute made it to the national press, BTW, and was not secret in the slightest.) We would have picketed the offices, but as the offices were her kitchen table, and as Illinois law prohibits picketing a home, we had to either find a place to do this legally or protest at her home. We tried to find a legal venue; A soccer game at her son's college that she attended would have been a legal venue. Her husband's place of employment would have been another legal venue, and I asked if anybody on usenet could supply that information so that we could set up a picket line.

In true Mykeru fashion, this became death threats against the family of the illinois head of the Concerned Women for America!

Everything is a death threat to Mykeru it seems.

Finally, he collected together a lot of the insulting graphics he had created against me, and his collected death threat paranoia (and remember, he was the only one who had made a real death threat) and created the web site you see linked in above.

All through the time between then and now, I have tried to settle my differences with Mykeru, but each and every time I have asked him to meet and discuss out differences, it has been met by renewed attacks against me. I even discussed a lawsuit against him with a lawyer that owes me a few favors, but the law is not totally clear on what the jurisdiction would finally be, and I could not afford a case in his home jurisdiction even with the lawyer's fees being pro-bono.

I thought some progress had been had when, last winter, he took down the web site, and I told my lawyer friend that he could stop researching the jurisdictional issue, and that the matter was concluded.

Well, along came the horrific attacks against Andy Stephenson, who was then dying of cancer, and I jumped in to try and see if I could somehow mediate between the people who were accusing him of fraud and those who were helping him get treatment. I quickly found out that the accusers, who now hang out at scamdy.com, were not interested in finding out that Andy was really sick, and were not interested in learning that the monies had been collected and spent on the medical treatment that Andy needed. Every document I got, scanned, and presented to those goons was called by them a fabricated photoshop job. Well, I soon sided with Andy and his friends against them, where I remain to this day.

Looking for some means of discrediting me, the goons contacted Mykeru, and he actually came out on their side, and put his libel site back online, as you can see above.

And that's the story.

Is it actually libel? I have a legal opinion that it is per se libel, and that I don't even need to prove it is wrong to collect damages.

Am I going to sue? Well, no, not unless there is a lawyer in the DC area who would want to take this case pro bono - when I quit my job to run White Rose full time I made a pauper of myself, something I happily do for the chance to help our cause, but which makes things like litigation impossible to afford.

Really, all I have wanted to do for years now is to have him accept my apology and for us both to go on with life. Honestly, I don't think he'll ever be man enough to do that, but I am prepared to be surprised.

Comments welcome!

-Ben Burch
White Rose Society Webmaster
http://www.WhiteRoseSociety.org /

PS. Please recommend this so that people will have a chance to see it before it sinks like a stone.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 03:59 PM
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1. The internet has made it easier for crazy people to inflict their
muck on others. But, ya take the good with the bad; it's also made it easier for hundreds of thousands of liberals to come together for a cause.

I commend you for your efforts. :thumbsup:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 04:01 PM
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2. Well, sorry you got involved with that malignancy.
I hope it works out for you.
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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 04:02 PM
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3. holy crap! kickety kick kick!! n/t
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 04:04 PM
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4. Perhaps he ( Mykeru) had it coming?
That's what I just posted on his... *ahem* message board.
:rofl:
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 04:05 PM
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5. He's stalking you. Can't he be charged with a criminal complaint?
kick
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 04:10 PM
Response to Reply #5
9. Yes, I suppose he could.
Interstate jurisdiction on such things is fuzzy according to Larry (my lawyer friend).

Illinois has a long arm jurisdiction law, but the fuzzy part is; in what state did the offense occur?
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 04:05 PM
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6. there are some
truly crazy people out there.

Good luck. And BE CAREFUL.

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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 04:14 PM
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11. I suppose I should be more afraid of him than I am...
He posts pictures of his guns and ammunition collection on his blog, after all...

But I simply cannot work up more than feeling sorry for him combined with some mild annoyance any more.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:24 PM
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38. If I were you, I would contact a lawyer. Do you know where he lives and
can he be served with a restraining order or a subpoena?

I would get this guy where he lives. This is an outrage.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:36 PM
Response to Reply #38
40. I know his address and phone, obviously...
That was what pissed him off in the first instance.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 04:07 PM
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7. BTW...
The oldamericancentry.com guys are cool... I am now a mod there, and Mykeru was banished.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 04:15 PM
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12. You might want to contact the FBI. He is stalking you and he may be
stalking others. Others who are more vulnerable than you.
A stalker is a stalker.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 04:17 PM
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He is stalking others... You can see several links to such on his site.
The FBI tells me this is a matter for the local authorities. I've already had a conversation with them.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 04:23 PM
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16. I love the site, although I've never visited the boards.
Where's Old Lefty Lawyer and some of the other legal eagles on DU? I'm sure some of them could give you some advice. It sure sounds like libel to me.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 04:10 PM
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8. People like that will never accept an apology.
Once you've given it, your responsibility is over.

Frankly, that site is soooo middle-school, I'd hardly consider it libel. I mean, it makes HIM look like a real doofus, to the point that a reader would actually want to get to know you to find out how you managed to irritate that creep so thoroughly.

What they did to Andy was so utterly reprehensible, I think you've earned the moral high ground for life.

I certainly hope you can eventually put this person on a kind of Universal Ignore.

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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #8
10. I think you are right...
I've offered several times to drive there and meet him for vegetarian curry at the place of his choice, but he has rudely turned down all such offers.
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 04:17 PM
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13. Damn!
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get ya.

What an asshat that guy is - I'll be in DC on the 24th - would you like me to leave a flaming bag of dog crap on his door?

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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #13
14. Nope.
Don't molest him in any way, Mongo, but thanks.
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #14
18. awww...mongo never get to have fun.....
BTW - I would call the site liable, but that and a law degree that I don't have would get you a case.

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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 04:34 PM
Response to Reply #18
22. I won't even tell anybody his address...
I meant it when I apologized long ago.
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 04:22 PM
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15. FUCK... Ben that's awful!!!
Gag.. why can't these freaks get hit by that bus they so deserve!

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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 04:33 PM
Response to Reply #15
21. I gather he almost did get run down a few months back...
He bicycles and insists on using traffic lanes as bikes have a right to do, but which strikes me as nearly suicidal...
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Red State Rebel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 04:25 PM
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17. OMG Was that really your personal ad???
You are one kinky bastard!
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 04:31 PM
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20. Yep! I'm very kinky!
I'm bi, into swinging, S&M, flogging, fisting, etc. I'm a sexworker's rights activist, and I used to be a <<<GASP>>> Libertarian!

I'll have to go read it over again on his site and see if he "improved" it any, though.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 04:29 PM
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19. you have 2 options.
one, you can walk away.

two, you can pursue this criminally. if you don't pursue this criminally, and continue a dialogue with him -- well, as my husband would say -- you get what you deserve. he's very blunt. but the fact is, you are only protected if do what is required of you to do. he is obviously a threat to people.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 04:34 PM
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23. I'll read this completely once I get home.
Thanks for posting. Recommended.
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raysr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 04:39 PM
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24. Jesus Christ
What a fucking FREAK!!!
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #24
25. I've been called worse!
Or did you mean Mykeru? :rofl:
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Tace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 05:29 PM
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26. Ben, I Understand Why You Want To Explain...
and I understand, very first-hand, some of the crazy stuff that can happen when you have a web site, but -- I suggest you just forget this fellow. He probably gets about 10 hits a day normally. Now he's getting thousands.

My first reaction was to suggest the FBI and local authorities. I see from the responses that you have contacted them. It's on the record. He should be very careful not to break the law.

Just my two cents. BTW, thanks for all you do on White Rose. Chrs.

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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 05:36 PM
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27. And having explained I'm done with it.
I know exactly how many hits he gets; Alexa.com is very useful for that sort of thing. Every so often he gets lots, but usually it is near zero.

Had he not resurrected this to help the attack on Andy with, I wouldn't have ever felt the need to write this in the first place.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 05:58 PM
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28. Thanks for coming out with this. We all need to take note. This is how
they operate, destroy, destroy, kill. The closer we get to winning, the more vicious they will become.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 06:28 PM
Response to Reply #28
29. You think they were vicious with me?
Edited on Tue Sep-06-05 06:44 PM by benburch
Wait 'til they pick on somebody who is not "out".
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 07:24 PM
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30. A DUer who has a law degree just emailed me...
Edited on Tue Sep-06-05 07:27 PM by benburch
He says;


It's worse even than you described it. What a weird, twisted, obessed bunch of twaddle!

Insofar as one might deem you a "public" person, the rules of NYT v. Sullivan would seem to apply, necessitating a proof of "actual malice." Still, it's always valuable to recall that "actual malice" is a jury question, and his malice seems almost palpable.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #30
39. Good answer! Get a lawyer on contingency and sue the pants off him!
These things must be stopped.

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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:43 PM
Response to Reply #39
45. I don't think a lawyer would take a case like this on contingency.
Mykeru is not worth enough to make it profitable, and honestly, all I want is for him to accept my apology and to cease and desist.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:04 PM
Response to Reply #45
46. I see what you mean. No monetary damages -- you're more forgiving
that I would be were I in your shoes (which I'm not...).
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Stockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 02:42 AM
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31. *speechless*
Makes sense that he made friends with the scamdy idiots. But seriously, one way or another this needs to be resolved. Maybe suing him in court would in the end benefit you both.

It cant be good for his psychological health to have this fixation with you, he must be suffering too :crazy:



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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #31
32. Somehow I think a suit would be a bad idea now...
but perhaps it is my bias from having been subjected to Charles Dickens' "Bleak House" in college.
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theliberalavenger Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 02:42 PM
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33. In Defense of Mykeru
In Defense of Mykeru...

He is a friend of mine... Burch makes him sound like a dangerous psychotic, which he isn't.

He is clever, funny, fearless and he doesn't take crap from anyone.

One has to wonder why Ben created this post to bring attention to this issue so long after the fact. Is Ben looking for some attention, perhaps?
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 02:58 PM
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34. I only report what happened.
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 03:09 PM by benburch
This posting was one that ONLY appeared here because Mykeru decided to dredge up this shit again himself. HE has been the one publishing a "RETRIBUTION" page about me for YEARS. This has been my only public pronouncement on the matter since Mykeru's attempt to stalk me onto the Randi Rhodes message board over two years ago. An attempt that ended with Randi Rhodes' producer, Tim Allen, tracking Mykeru's IP address back to a desk at a government job and calling Mykeru's boss, and the eventual investigation of Mykeru that caused him so much grief. (Please note, that whole matter was Tim's idea, not mine! Tim never discussed this with me until I asked him what the fuck was going on with Mykeru claiming I called his boss. All I have wanted is for Mykeru to accept my apology and move on.)

I don't want or need attention, as I get 3000 people a day to my web site, but I thought that people needed to see what the organized Right, and that now includes your dear friend Mykeru as he has chosen to lie down with the dogs of scamdy.com, will do to distort facts to discredit those who support people like the late Andrew Stephenson, who was dying of about the worst cancer you could get. How can you call somebody a friend who attacks a dying man???

Should your friend choose to remove his hate speech, I will have all copies of this thread deleted..

I have tried to get square with him since this whole thing began and am amazed that he is still obsessed with me after all this time.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 03:58 PM
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36. In addition...
Heck, if he'll accept my apology finally, I'll even give him a banner ad on the front page at White Rose.
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 03:34 PM
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35. Defending Mykeru
LibAv,

Whatever Mykeru might be, he is also, by virtue of the slanderous garbage he has posted, vile, feckless and apparently sociopathic.

I consider Ben a friend and have never known him to be anything but straightforward in his dealings. Incredibly intelligent and circumspect, Ben's account of these matters rings a lot more true than the shrill, hate-infested stuff that your buddy puts out there.

It's my understanding from this thread the Ben presented the account not in order to garner "attention," as you put it, but to point out the fact that, after taking down his libels, Mykeru has apparently resurrected them in the Andy Stephenson business.

Your defense of Mykeru reminds me of all the interviews people gave about how shocked they were when it turned out that scout leader, church official, neighbor Dennis Rader turned out be the BTK Killer. In short, no matter how "clever, funny" or "fearless" Mykeru might be, I, for one, wouldn't trust him in an outhouse with a muzzle on.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:20 PM
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37. Mykeru responds
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Ben,

How terribly noble of you to post more self-pitying nonsense on
Democratic Underground, a forum which, as you well know, I am unable to
respond and defend myself. The last time you pulled this move and I
posted a rebuttal you ran around behind the scenes claiming all sorts of
terrible things, labeling me a homophobe and getting me banned for
calling you on the serial lying that passes for your thought processes.

I'm sure you have some purpose that makes sense to you, and probably
only you, but the whole exercise is cowardly and would be beneath you if
you weren't a lying assed, shit sucking bottom feeder.

--
Regards,

Rev. Mykeru
www.mykeru.com

"A Proud Member of the Reality-Based Community"



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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #37
41. How Typical , , ,
that a b/s artist like Mykeru would bill himself as a "Rev." For some reason, Rev. Moon comes to mind . . .
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:05 PM
Response to Reply #41
43. He paid Ivan Stang $20 for a SubGenius Church ordanation.
Stang is a nice guy. I've gotten hammered with him at Starwood in past years.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:01 PM
Response to Reply #37
42. BTW, he is referring to when he got banned from DU here...
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 10:22 PM by benburch
I posted a topic here that was asking how to deal with a cyberstalker.

I did not name him, nor refer to his site in any way.

He decided to follow me here are post his crap in that thread.

Here is his posting from a contemporaneous email I sent;


Subject: My Cyberstalker...
To: Muddleoftheroad
Date: Feb-01-04 08:47 AM
As it happens, he responded to the thread! Since I think skinner will delete it soon, here is what he said;

Reverend_Mykeru (9 posts)
Sun Feb-01-04 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #9

10. Ben's Talking About Me

Edited on Sun Feb-01-04 01:38 PM by Reverend_Mykeru

Someone gave me a heads up on this.

Suffice to say I don't like Ben Burch a whole hell of a lot. But that's not because I'm an obsessive cyber stalker. It's because he is a personally irritating scumbag. I know he does some things for "progressive" causes, although he has variously claims to be a Libertarian when it suits him, but he seems to think that excuses him from all consequences.

Here's the page he is referring to: The David B. "Ben" Burch Distributed Information Page

http://www.mykeru.com/retribution/bb /

The short version is this: Following an online disagreement, Burch published my name, address and telephone number after doing a little domain registration research. Not content with that, and not getting the reaction he wanted, he followed me to another forum I was moderating and intimated that he could also release information on my wife, including her "ethnicity", making her easy to spot and an abomination to the right wingers he was cozying up to in a gun nut forum. He more than intimated that there was a bullet in my future. Not from him, of course.

Pure bullshit, rather lame and I certainly don't take the sour grapes threats of pissed off net warriors seriously. However, involving my wife was crossing the line. I don't need assholes like him worrying her because of a disagreement he has with me. At the same time he also started publishing the IP addresses of people he was disagreeing with.

This last "outing" occurred on the POAC forum, but as Ben has a financial relationship with the owner, the entire forum of that message board was deleted.

However, doing a bit of research I found out some interesting things about Ben Burch, namely that he has a habit of "outing" people in retaliation, including their spouses and children.

Also, during the disagreement I received several virus-laden emails, apparently from Ben Burch. He begged off, claiming his use of Mac and Linux made it impossible for him to transmit a virus inadvertently. Of course, I later found that he was running a site for the dissemination of viruses and trojans. He also later admitted he ran Win 98. Coincidence? I don't know.

Short version: This guy, Ben Burch, is himself a "stalker", an "outer", a pathological liar and half-assed manipulator. Of course, that's just my non-professional, highly biased, wife protecting opinion. As he has a habit of doing this sort of thing to people, I simply have a page of his public domain Usenet posts, and other material published on the net so people can read up about him, his outing behavior and make up their own mind.

I also detailed his "outing" of a rumor regarding Rush Limbaugh being gay. I have no love for Limbaugh, but this sort of Lee Atwater rumor mongering does Dems no good. In fact, spreading this kind of rumor, especially when he has posted that he himself didn't believe it, is almost like an attempt to discredit progressives. All this is in the essay listing on my site.

As Ben's latest shtick is to run around referring to me as a "cyber-stalker" it's just more inducement for me to maintain evidence of what a scumbag this guy is.

And if Ben doesn't want this material out there he should have never 1. Published it on the net 2. Solicited information on people's children because he was pissed off at them 3. Made half-assed, half-clever threats and 4. Involved my wife in his little games.

Don't believe everything Ben Burch tells you, and Ben should simply stop scurrying around like a cockroach when the light is put on. But if he feels he has a legal case for my sharing this information about him, he can feel free to contact the police, his lawyer or an unbalanced Michigan Militia member rather than continuing to run around the net complaining about how I'm "stalking" him.

It's odd how Ben runs around bringing this up, but I'm not surprised, considering that he's such a self-pitying little con man. For example, his claim that I have a "website devoted to nothing else". Check out www.mykeru.com and see if that checks out. Also, see if you can find a link to that page on the site proper. One has to wonder why Ben spreads such easily refuted nonsense.

Jerk.


And I read what I wrote Skinner, and I did ask for him to be banned. I did not accuse him of homophobia, however... Just of following me around from board to board and of threatening to rip my heart out. All of which he did.

EDIT: realized that I could look up this information in the SENT folder of my IMs here, and so verify my recollection, which was faulty. I did ask Skinner to ban him.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:26 PM
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44. And here was my transaction with Skinner on the above


Re: Re: Re: Hi! I'm the guy whose cyberstalker posted on here...
From: Skinner
Date: Feb-01-04 10:55 AM
I am sorry about this situation. Your stalker has been banned.

In the future, please refrain from discussing your stalker situation on our message board. Such comments will only give him an incentive to come back and use our website to continue the behavior, and I'm sure neither of us would like to see that happen.

Thank you for your understanding.

Skinner
DU Admin

>Thanks, Skinner.
>
>If you want my version of any of his shit, I'll tell you the
>absolute truth on it.
>
>Yeah, I did publish his number, after he told me I was too
>stupid to ever figure out who he was. It was online for about
>8 hours before we XXXed it out. I apologized to him several
>times, but he wouldn't take it. He has been escalating this
>issue ever since, most recently on
>http://www.therandirhodesshow.com /
>
>Among his many libels is asserting that I am the same person
>as another Ben Burch (There are several hundred of us) that
>published a site where you could download viruses to infect
>peoples computers with. As he knows that I am in the network
>security industry, this was in my mind a direct attempt to
>destroy me professionally.
>
>And he simply makes shit up, though I doubt he knows the
>difference between truth and his imaginings. For example, he
>tells everybody that I sent several copies of a Windows worm
>to him from my AOL account. Not true, and AOL determined that
>it was not true when he contacted them. Still he maintains
>that fiction, and I really think he believes it.
>
>He just never quits. The only reason he hasn't been posting
>on the POAC board, the Mike Malloy board, and the
>Bartcopnation board is because he has already been banned from
>those places.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Ben Burch
>

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:07 PM
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:13 PM
Response to Reply #47
48. And perhaps you are right.
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 11:20 PM by benburch
Clearly I'll never get him to accept my apology.

EDIT: And I just self-alerted on this thread too.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:22 PM
Response to Reply #48
49. Here's a big hug for you. Get some rest. Things may look different
Edited on Wed Sep-07-05 11:24 PM by Radio_Lady
in the morning. Just for some perspective, I've got two stepkids in my family who don't talk to us and could put up a site like this in a second, if they wanted to. Nobody says you have to go through life living in the shadow of somebody else's vision of you.

In peace,

Radio Lady
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Technowitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 11:42 PM
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50. Locking at original poster's request
Lock-lock-lock.

Technowitch
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