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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:09 PM
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Folks, Katrina has proved one thing. WE ARE ON OUR OWN!
It's a fact. When it comes to disasters, whether man made or natural, we are on our own. Local governments cannot cope with the scale of massive disasters and the Federal Government has become a cesspool of political bureaucracy that forms "task forces" for the sole purpose of going out to talking head shows in the media to put spin on disasters rather than actually helping in any situation.

There is no longer any sort of Federal Disaster Relief. It's all smoke and mirrors now.

WE ARE ON OUR OWN!
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:12 PM
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1. You're absolutely right.........
We are on our own AND appear to other countries as sitting ducks, to boot.
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Wild Bill Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:13 PM
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2. DUH.
Duh, your just now figuring this out?
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:17 PM
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7. I can guarantee that Walt is not just figuring it out
He, like most of us, tend to look for the best case scenario, and maintain hope. Walt has obviously finally come to the point where he can say it out loud.

Let's hope others with like minds can begin to say it out loud and band together for the good of all of us that "get it".

Hugs to you Walt!
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:19 PM
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9. Yup, three days ago I woulda been flamed for saying what I saw coming
And three days ago, a response could have been mounted...
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:14 PM
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3. This is what life is like in a country where every arm of the government
is controlled by the Party that thinks "smaller government" means "no government" when emergencies arrive. Goes double if you are poor and "non-white".

Ugh.

But, you are so right, Walt... we are all on our own.

TC
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:14 PM
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4. I can't believe it - you took the words..
right out of my mouth! I was listening to Air America this afternoon, and my revelation was: "We are on our own." I can't believe the inhumanity of it. If you are poor, a person of color, you are SOL.

It make my heart just break.
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BOHICA06 Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:16 PM
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5. You're right ...
you are responsible for your own sorry butt for at least 110 hours - 5 days .... Food Water Fuel Shelter. There are no magic wands - everything takes time.

How many can pass that test? I know I would fail.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:18 PM
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8. I'm covered for ten days at all times
After the CF that was a so-called "response" to last year's hurricane season, I figured double the 5 day minimum.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:16 PM
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6. Yep, the only government we have that is still functioning is
at a local level. Federal and State elected officials aren't doing anything but feathering their nests. If anyone has a disaster and local government disintegrates, we are on our own.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:20 PM
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10. That's always been true on a cosmic level
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:20 PM
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11. We've been on our own since Captain Clueless took over in Jan. 2001
:P
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:21 PM
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12. And what DC does not even GET yet, and we all know it here...
Edited on Thu Sep-01-05 03:21 PM by mtnester
is that our soft underbelly is showing...right out there for the world to see.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:21 PM
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13. And that's exactly what the right wants.
They WANT us to be on our own. Every man for himself. Fuck everyone, I got mine.

Scary, scary shit.
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thinkingwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:21 PM
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14. yep Walt...we are all we've got
If the "richest country in the world" cannot figure out how to drop water to people stranded on an interstate highway 4 days after a predicted hurricane, then we've reached the end of the competence and usefulness of this government.

They should re-read the Declaration of Independence. It spells out what we the people should do when such things happen.


P.S. To any FBI/NSA/CIA/SS/WHATEVER monitoring these boards...no, I did not advocate the overthrowing of our government. I merely pointed out a truth in our founding documents. Besides, don't you have something important to do, like saving somebody's life? Shame on you.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:22 PM
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15. I posted that Yesterday!
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:22 PM
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16. I was thinking the very same thing today. Suppose
"they" decide to attack us on our shores as opposed to "over there." What if it's a nuke? Kiss your ass goodbye.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:23 PM
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17. Yes. If even a massive PR disaster like this won't get them off
their asses, then nothing will.
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MellowOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:24 PM
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18. You just realized that! LOL
Only kidding.

What I don't understand, actually I do, we knew about the hurricane far enough in advance to call on the military to evacuate the people. No one should have been allowed to stay behind. Why couldn't we get the same buses that our taking the people to Texas to take them there before the hurricane? Why didn't the military take to the streets in jeeps telling the people they had to evacuate? I'm so mad I can't stand it.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:25 PM
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19. All they care about is rich peoples' property
Not to take away from the thousands of brave and dedicated rescue workers and volunteers though. I'm talking about the bureaucrats and so-called "leaders".
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:26 PM
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20. you've got that one right
The only thing the Homeland Offense Gestapo is for is pepperspraying peaceful demonstrators and snatching cameras that would document their abuse.
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:28 PM
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21. FEMA funding crippled for natural disasters . . .
The Bush administration crippled FEMA funding for natural disasters. Read this article from 2004. Louisiana, who's waterways drain two thirds of the continental United States, was denied requests for flood mitigation funds over a year ago.: http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2004-09-28/cover_story.html . . .

"Among emergency specialists, "mitigation" -- the measures taken in advance to minimize the damage caused by natural disasters -- is a crucial part of the strategy to save lives and cut recovery costs. But since 2001, key federal disaster mitigation programs, developed over many years, have been slashed and tossed aside. FEMA's Project Impact, a model mitigation program created by the Clinton administration, has been canceled outright. Federal funding of post-disaster mitigation efforts designed to protect people and property from the next disaster has been cut in half. Communities across the country must now compete for pre-disaster mitigation dollars.

As a result, some state and local emergency managers say, it's become more difficult to get the equipment and funds they need to most effectively deal with disasters. In Louisiana, requests for flood mitigation funds were rejected by FEMA this summer. (See sidebar.) In North Carolina, a state also regularly threatened by hurricanes and floods, FEMA recently refused the state's request to buy backup generators for emergency support facilities. And the budget cuts have halved the funding for a mitigation program that saved an estimated $8.8 million in recovery costs in three eastern North Carolina communities alone after 1999's Hurricane Floyd.

Consequently, the residents of these and other disaster-prone states will find the government less able to help them when help is needed most, and both states and the federal government will be forced to shoulder more recovery costs after disasters strike.

In addition, the White House has pushed for privatization of essential government services, including disaster management, and merged FEMA into the Department of Homeland Security -- where, critics say, natural disaster programs are often sidelined by counter-terrorism programs. Along the way, morale at FEMA has plummeted, and many of the agency's most experienced personnel have left for work in other government agencies or private corporations.

<snip>

In 2003, Congress approved a White House proposal to cut FEMA's Hazard Mitigation Grant Program (HMGP) in half. Previously, the federal government was committed to invest 15 percent of the recovery costs of a given disaster in mitigating future problems. Under the Bush formula, the feds now cough up only 7.5 percent.

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The administration also argues that its new pre-disaster mitigation grants, which are awarded on a competitive basis, will help states pick up the slack. But again, emergency managers say it's not enough. In recent congressional testimony, a NEMA representative noted that "in a purely competitive grant program, lower income communities, those most often at risk to natural disaster, will not effectively compete with more prosperous cities Š . The prevention of repetitive damages caused by disasters would go largely unprepared in less-affluent and smaller communities."

And indeed, some in-need areas have been inexplicably left out of the program. "In a sense, Louisiana is the floodplain of the nation," noted a 2002 FEMA report. "Louisiana waterways drain two thirds of the continental United States. Precipitation in New York, the Dakotas, even Idaho and the Province of Alberta, finds its way to Louisiana's coastline." As a result, flooding is a constant threat, and the state has an estimated 18,000 buildings that have been repeatedly been damaged by flood waters -- the highest number of any state. And yet, this summer FEMA denied Louisiana communities' pre-disaster mitigation funding requests.

In Jefferson Parish, part of the New Orleans metropolitan area, flood zone manager Tom Rodrigue is baffled by the development. "You would think we would get maximum consideration" for the funds, he says. "This is what the grant program called for. We were more than qualified for it."

Brain Drain

Within FEMA, the shift away from mitigation programs is so pronounced that many long-time specialists in the field have quit. "The priority is no longer on prevention," says the FEMA administrator who asked not to be identified. "Mitigation, honestly, is the orphaned step-child. People are leaving it in droves."

In fact, disaster professionals are leaving many parts of FEMA in droves, compromising the agency's ability to do its job. "Since last year, so many people have left who had developed most of our basic programs," Mann says. "A lot of the institutional knowledge is gone. Everyone who was able to retire has left, and then a lot of people have moved to other agencies."

TYY
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