"TraitorGate" FOLKS THIS IS F*CKING HUGE!!

[matcom]

you have NO IDEA how big this is!!

HEY LURKING FREEPERS! THIS IS 1000000000000000000% MORE DAMNING THAN ANYTHING CLINTON DID/DIDN'T DO!

you have NO idea!

let me tell you all something:

the Agency is f*cking PISSED! that is political DEATH. this is just the first salvo. there is MUCH more to come IMHO.

stay tuned.

bank it.

its coming. we will ALL be vindicated.

on edit: don't think for a MINUTE that "they" are gonna take the blame for 'faulty intelligence'. i don't agree with them MOST of the time BUT "they" didn't 'fake it' either.

[CatWoman]

1. I knew * fucked up

when they slandered Tenet.

Don't fuck with the CIA!!!!

And :hi: to you, Sweet Thang :D

[matcom]

3. goes deeper than that Midori

MUCH MUCH deeper

and BTW

:loveya: TOO BABE!

:*

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

27. Did Mike Ruppert predict this right before Bush invaded Iraq?

The mainstream newspapers all printed pretty specific, pointed articles about how Bush was faking intelligence and how Rumsfeld had set up his own mini-CIA to produce whatever excuses they needed. The Washington Moonie Times even printed an editorial "Will Bush be Impeached?" on the eve of the war. Ruppert wrote his article "Watergate II" in the first week if I remember.

During the war, the media shut up and kept quiet and praised Bush. Now that he didn't find the WMD and he can't keep our troops from getting picked off one at a time, they've decided to call his bluff.

Don't let the next Democratic president pardon him.

[imax2268]

8. The freeps...

should be shaking in their boots about now...this is huge...

Never....NEVER...piss off the CIA...you'll stir up a hornets nest...!

[flamingyouth]

2. Will you order the cake?

When the shit really hits the fan?!?

I sure hope so!

Now, what will this cake say....?

[SoCalDem]

15. Make it yellow cake, please

:)

[flamingyouth]

17. Oooh, good idea!

(And, by the way, please take me with you!) :-)

[Donna Zen]

23. Yellow cake?

Yes, it has the advantage of baking itself.

[ewagner]

37. I wish

there was an emoticon for ENVY!

[CatWoman]

38. see also this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=441607

[CatWoman]

47. I found video

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/video/index.html

[polmaven]

42. Order !...Nothing!!!

I'll BAKE the cake!!! Might not be edible, but I'll bake it anyway!!!

[Individualist]

70. Cake?

If this brings Chimpy down, I'm going to take money out of savings and buy a bottle of Dom Perignon!! :party:

[Emboldened Chimp]

4. I hope you're right

I'm too cynical to believe much will come from this. This administration has wiggled out of everything that's been thrown at them, mainly because the pukes in Congress are in lockstep with him and won't initiate investigations. The only hope I have is that public opinion of him will be so low come Nov. '04 that he'll be bounced from office.

Thanks for the optimism.

[matcom]

7. they CAN'T "wiggle" out of this

this is PAYBACK

pure and simple.

P.A.Y.B.A.C.K.

[w13rd0]

5. Enough play hasn't been given...

...to the fact that the Administrations case for war was TAXPAYER FUNDED vis a vis LIES from FRAUD defectors and an "intelligence" OSP op created to JUSTIFY CONCLUSIONS by FABRICATING EVIDENCE.

I hope we're ringing them all out. Shine a light on these thugs...

[proud patriot]

6. YEAH !

:bounce:

[THUNDER HANDS]

9. how long will it take?

Are they gonna drip, drip, drip it out over a few weeks/months, or are they getting set to drop a bomb or something?

[matcom]

10. my guess......

drip, drip, drip, drip

[CatWoman]

14. Jason -- that's a very nice picture of Al

:hi:

[THUNDER HANDS]

62. thank you

I decided that I was too confused about which candidate I supported that I couldn't put anyone up - except Al, who I will always admire for his courage and intelligence.

:)

[Clark Can WIN]

68. Al Rocks!

Fact.

[Skittles]

64. that picture of Sharpton . . .

he looks so..............RIGHTEOUS.

[Buns_of_Fire]

75. I would think the drip method would be more in keeping

If BushCo has pissed off the spooks to the extent they want him gone, the Death of a Thousand Cuts would probably be better advised at this stage of the game. Don't wanna peak too early, and there's still a year left for BushCo to rebuild from the political equivalent of a Daisycutter. If I were them (and I'm not), I'd just sit back and relish every drop of political blood slowly draining from the administration.

Then I'd drop the Daisycutter. Around late summer of next year, would be my advice (if the Agency were asking me for advice, which they're not).

[MoonAndSun]

11. You give me hope, matcom....

thank you!!

[Missy Vixen]

12. TraitorGate, hm?

Are there graphics and scary music yet? CBSABCNBCCNNFAUXCNBCTHEWEATHERCHANNEL must know.

Matcom, how's Dad Matcom taking all this?

In the meantime, a round of drinks for everyone, we'll need something to do till the fecal matter finally and irrevocably hits the blades of the oscillating cooling device.

Julie

[NWHarkness]

13. The last two presidents who tried to clame the CIA

The last two presidents who tried to stick the blame for their policy fuckups on the CIA were Kennedy and Nixon.

Which of them finished their term?

[darknemus]

16. You know things are bad when...

Newsmax begins writing articles demanding the 'truth'

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/9/29/220207.shtml

I do like this paragraph from that..

The burgeoning flap over the leaking to the press of the name of a CIA agent - a clear and serious violation of federal law - is a serious, serious legal and political problem for the Bush White House.

-darknemus

[alcuno]

44. Welcome to DU, darknemus

It just makes you wonder, "What were they thinking?" I want to know why the column came out on July 14, and nothing was done about it. Not by anyone except the CIA? I heard that the CIA notified the Justice Department weeks ago and they picked last night to start an investigation?

[calimary]

53. OMG! Did you check #13 in that Newsmax article?

Read it and weep, freeps!

"13) We need to reverse things: if the Clinton White House had sold out an active-duty CIA agent as 'payback' for some whistle-blowing article, we would be outraged. This crime is no less serious because it was done in a Republican White House."

Holy Smokes!

And number 15 - "yep, 'tis true: payback is a bitch."

Reap what you sew, freeps!

Beauty! Looks like things really ARE bad if this kind of commentary appears in NEWSMAX! Ouch! Wonder how many other folks out there now find it sickening to be a republican?

[concord]

51. Interesting tidbit

and just a tad scary ...

[Old and In the Way]

63. Huh?

Kennedy blamed CIA for trying to engineer an unauthorized overthrow of the Cuban government, he was contemplating the Agency's dismantling.

I think the current situation is almost opposite. It's the WH who is out of control and the CIA who is trying to stop it.

[Snellius]

18. An ex-CIA agent on NewsHour was fuming

Larry Johnson said he knew Plame well as an outstanding agent who worked undercover for thirty years. Said he "was ashamed to be a Republican" to hear the way she was being discredited and the way members of his party were trying to dismiss the seriousness of outing her.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

33. every ex CIA director is FUMING!..should havwe heard Woolsey and even

poppa bush...made this statement in 1999:
“I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the names of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious of traitors.”
- President George H.W. Bush, 4/29/99

[FubarFly]

60. Great quote.

That'll be perfect for the letters to the editor I am writing tonight.

:bounce:

[rman]

74. except Poppy Bush... quite telling... n/t

-

[Mari333]

19. Julian Borger is breaking it

www.atrios.blogspot.com


ROVE DID IT.

[never cry wolf]

20. Are you speaking on knowledge?

Or hopes and emotion?? Just wondering if you had heard something the rest of us havn't. More leaks and revelations on other matters perchance??

Not meaning to sound cynical, I pray that the previous drip, srip, srip has tunred into the faucet being turned on with the water main about to burst, but the cards do seem to be staked against it as long as it's in the hands of the DoJ.

[matcom]

21. I am speaking

:)

[CatWoman]

25. look at

www.mediawhoresonline.com

[Mari333]

39. Okay now its starting

from atrios to mediawhoresonline... Only a matter of time now

[DoYouEverWonder]

32. Julian Borger is a respected journalist

He claims that a couple of the other journalists that were contacted by the WH are confirming that it was Karl Rove. I doubt Borger would print this accusation unless was absolutely sure of his sources and that this info came from more than one source.

This is the story that just keeps on giving.

[Beetwasher]

22. THERE IS DEFINITELY MORE COMING, HERE'S WHY I KNOW

The CIA are THE experts at this. They got the ball rolling and they would not have done so without all their ducks in a row. They would not have done this half-assed, without backup and with no plan. That is just INCONCEIVABLE.

Think of all this in the big picture of the last few months. We have seen a coordinated and orchestrated series of leaks that have lead to a web of inerconnected scandals. These are combination punches we're seeing here being orchestrated by the CIA. This Wilson/Plame story is merely one piece.

The CIA knows exactly what they are doing. They know that to keep this alive and to have it really be effective they need a steady stream of new, fresh info to be fed to the press. They know this more than anyone and it would be foolish to think they don't have stuff just waiting to be released. There will be more bombshells released at strategically important junctures, I can practically guarantee it. This ain't over, not by a long shot. Bushco. should be VERY afraid.

The CIA is pissed. This leak cost them dearly. Plame was apparently a high level operative with a major network AND she was doing incredibly important work hunting WMD's. 30 years of work down the tubes. National Security BADLY COMPROMISED. Possibly "termination" of deeply cultivated contacts and sources. There NOTHING the admin. can do for the CIA to make up for this. There's no bargaining, there's no buying them off, there's no truce and no going back. The admin. crossed a line, BIG TIME.

[Emboldened Chimp]

26. What else can they have?

Will they nail him on 9-11 perhaps?

[Beetwasher]

34. There's literally a thousand different fronts they could attack on

The mendacity and criminality of this admin. is breathtaking. I would expect it to be on something more related to this story though. Who knows? Maybe evidence of another bad intel leak? Maybe confirmation of the leaker? Maybe we'll find out assets were "terminated" as a result of this leak? It could come from any direction. Bushco. should be very afraid.

[mlawson]

55. Yep. A post about 9 months ago said:

You do NOT fuck with the CIA, or M16!!!!

Oh, oh. They DID!!! :o

[gristy]

24. Well, on CBS News tonight, they interviewed someone who said

a) journalists never reveal their sources
b) if the source isn't revealed, this goes nowhere.

I don't underestimate the ability of this evil crowd to bury this story.

Tho I hope you're right.

[TacticalPeek]

28. See #19.

:)

[NashVegas]

65. If the Source Isn't Revealed

By the administration, either, Bush loses gazillions of Republican voters who actually believed him (willingly misled) when he said he was going to have a transparent, more honest office.

[Nottingham]

29. CIA knows how this works! They seem very effecient!

I'll bet on them everytime! CIA is under attack! and they will retaliate. Its really time Rove leaves! What a nice way to get rid of him! :bounce:

And as for Novak

He is a lying scumbag and I can't wait for him to go to trial!

:bounce:

[teryang]

30. Actually, I'm not sure anything will come of this

It does fit the profile though, for a relatively insignificant event, compared to the 911 failures, anthrax, Enron, etc., which could be used to embarass and humiliate the regime until election time while avoiding a deeper look at the governments broader crimes. The crime itself is peripheral to the real issues making false official statements to foment an illegal "pre-emptive" war.

I seriously doubt that the CIA would come clean on any of these issues. This is political theater. In a way it is a contigency plan, which places the elites in a position to save or jettison the junta should they choose to do so. It may well depend on how well Clark does. They have to have an inside fixer for damage control in the new regime. Someone will have to exercise nolle prosequi powers in favor of the outgoing criminals. It is unlikely that Dean would do so.

[whirlygigspin]

prosecution is unlikely

from any new administration.
The Bushistas need to fess up, let Rove's head roll and move on.

[teryang]

72. Based upon the historical track record

I have to agree.

[Scaramouche]

31. Anybody find it weird were rooting for the CIA???

What a topsy-turvy world we now live in...

[matcom]

35. i do NOT root for them

not at all.

BUT

i realize the "fact" that you DO NOT SCREW THEM and THAT, just may be this ASSHOLES DOWNFALL

if THAT comes from the CIA, so be it

[Minstrel Boy]

50. The reports of irony's death have been greatly exaggerated.

Deep politics makes strange bedfellows.

But the CIA's not a monolith; It's a labyrinth. It has some awfully dark corridors, but that's not all, or even most, of what it is.

Even the CIA wants its country back. The times are desperate and mad indeed. So God bless them.

[FlemingsGhost]

36. It's slipping away, and they know it.

Just like in '94, the GOP has tried for too much, too soon. If there's one thing we can rely upon from these jackals is their greed. And guess what? Blaming a Clinton will not get them out of this pickle.

It appears the "New American Century" will fall about 96 years short.

[Tigerlily]

49. In addition to the greed...

we can also rely on the arrogance. I had a feeling the arrogance would get them into trouble.... "BIG time"!

[aquart]

57. You mean there's nothing left to steal?

[Clete]

59. Yes, it will fall by history's roadside like the Thousand Year Reich n/t

[yella_dawg]

40. I hope you're right.

I pray you're right.

But doesn't the BFEE own the CIA outright?

[matcom]

41. NOBODY "owns" them

trust me

NOBODY

its like the Mob. a LOT like the Mob. you wanna screw THEM over?

NOPE

[ozymandius]

56. MORE! Matcom! More!

Will the next thunderclap be a little or a lot?

[DrWeird]

43. What does your dad think?

He's a former spook, right?

[bluedog]

45. FBI

who are they more afraid of the FBI or CIA ?




WASHINGTON - The FBI (news - web sites) began a full-scale criminal investigation Tuesday into whether White House officials illegally leaked the identity of an undercover CIA (news - web sites) officer, and President Bush (news - web sites) ordered his staff to cooperate with the first major probe of his administration.

[TacticalPeek]

46. Sure signs of the end of the(ir) world:

Spoken today:

"This investigation is a good thing." - aWol

"Prosecuted to the full extent of the law" - Sen Mitch McConnell

Not only are there probably more knives in the Agency's kit, the misadministration creeps are handing them out like Halloween candy. The DOJ pol types compromised themselves and WH counsel Gonzales with the heads up before the investigation notice went out. WH stupidly denied KKKarl was involved, on the record. No need for more Agency tips until the usurpers stick all available appendages in the wringer.

At some point, probably soon, mod repukes will break, particularly those up for reelect next fall. Then congressional inquiries flame up and the shadow Pentagon and shadow Agency bs will be exposed. KKKarl is just the tip of a garbage iceberg.

:nuke:

[active_in_ca]

48. Flashpoints interview

The author of http://www.bushsbrain.com/ was just on www.flashpoints.net He is quite certain that Rove knew, regardless of whether he did it or not. That is conspiracy, and if proven, he is as guilty as the other(s).

They usually have the audio up an hour or so after the show (which runs 5-6PM Pacific), and he was interviewed the first 30-minutes of the show. Worth listening to later this evening.

[newyawker99]

73. Hi active_in_ca!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Generic Other]

52. Matcom, you tease!

Just tell me this much.

Does the future include seeing Novak go to jail like Susan McDougal? Wouldn't that be poetic justice? How long before that old picklepuss would squeal on his co-horts? Ha Ha.

Also, will the CIA could tell us what really happened on 9-11? They must know!

Or that vast rightwing conspiracy? There's still a lot of residue from the Clinton years clinging on the GOP machine. I wouldn't mind seeing some of those conspirators brought to justice.

Or maybe it's Coup 2000. The voting machines. Diebold.

Or Enron, Carlyle, Halliburton...

Hunh...won't take much for me to feel vindicated.

[gristy]

54. White House Counsel's Memo on Leak Probe

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Published: September 30, 2003

Filed at 9:41 a.m. ET

Text of an e-mail to White House staff Tuesday from counsel Alberto R. Gonzales about the Justice Department's investigation about the leak of a CIA officer's identity:

PLEASE READ: Important Message From Counsel's Office

We were informed last evening by the Department of Justice that it has opened an investigation into possible unauthorized disclosures concerning the identity of an undercover CIA employee. The department advised us that it will be sending a letter today instructing us to preserve all materials that might be relevant to its investigation. Its letter will provide more specific instructions on the materials in which it is interested, and we will communicate those instructions directly to you. In the meantime, you must preserve all materials that might in any way be related to the department's investigation. Any questions concerning this request should be directed to Associate Counsels Ted Ullyot or Raul Yanes in the counsel to the president's office. The president has directed full cooperation with this investigation.

[PaDUer]

58. Has anyone checked in

on the freeps tonite to see how they're trying to spin this? I just signed on and didn't even read the rest of this thread, but it would make everyone's nite IF they'd pack their suitcases and bail out of DC now!! Wasn't this misadministration saying they were the adults? Well, if they're adults, let them take what's due them..They were quick on the draw to oust Clinton for what was NONE of their business, well, what's going on in DC now, calls for impeachment now..rather, eviction! since he wasn't elected!

[mlawson]

61. Oh, yeah! THIS is the ONE!!!!!!!

The one we have been waiting for. The bush criminals do not get out of this; CIA will never allow that.

Coupled with all the other crap the public is starting to hate bush for, THIS will do it!!!!

:bounce: :D :bounce:

[Q]

69. I thought the American people 'owned' the CIA?

- Of course that's not true. In reality the CIA works for the power brokers and the ruling class. That is...those who coverup the CIA's abuses and international lawbreaking.

- I wish I could celebrate with Matcom...but the Bushies and CIA are dependent on each other to keep up the facade of democracy.

- My prediction: there WILL be a fall guy / scapegoat...but it won't touch the Bushie inner circle. And...considering the Bushies also own the media...this can and will be spun to make Bush* look good when he 'takes care of' those involved.

- By the way...Rove is expendable. He's only an advisor.

[Minstrel Boy]

76. I think this marks a genuine power struggle

between the Bushies and the CIA. In this particular fight, the people can be cheerleaders, but they're not welcome on the field.

[OldSoldier]

85. Bush screwed the CIA. It's payback time.

Novak rolls over on Rove, Rove rolls over on Cheney, Cheney rolls over on Bush.

All they gotta do is get these guys in a room, one by one. In the room are some tables and two chairs. Set the tables so that no matter which way you turn your head, you see one. On the tables are bottles of sodium pentothal, pancuronium bromide and potassium iodide--the three drugs used in lethal injections. There will also be two IV needle/catheter sets--they start two lines when performing a lethal injection in case one doesn't work.

The interrogator walks into the room after an indeterminate period (several hours, preferably) of the subject staring at the execution drugs. He calmly states the evidence against them. Reads the statute on treason. Explains the potential punishment for treason in time of war--having the contents of these three bottles injected into your arm. Idly rolls the three bottles in his hand. Perhaps even removes a nine-millimeter pistol from his pocket and casually examines the chamber. Then asks, "is there anything you'd like to tell us?"

The whole Bush Administration will be in jail by morning.

[Skittles]

66. HEY REMEMBER WHEN JOE WILSON WAS ON THE DAILY SHOW?????

didn't he say he had received a request in the mail for a DONATION TO THE BUSH CAMPAIGN???? HA HA, HA HA HA HA. Oh, the HUMANITY.

[TacticalPeek]

71. On CNBC Capitol Report they just pushed Wilson on the $1000 Kerry donation

and he came back with, 'No, it was $2000, in two $1000 payments'; then he went on to say that what Ed Gillespie also knew but didn't tell anybody, was that Wilson also donated $2000 to Bush/Cheney in 2000! But that he would not be supporting aWol this time because of their war and peace blunder!

[underpants]

80. NBC said this morning he did give money to them

Common practice really giving money to both sides.

[sonias]

67. Two new media links of interest

More names were added in a follow up memo from Special Counsel Gonzalez.
This part is way down in the story link

Criminal inquiry over CIA leak
http://www.msnbc.com/news/973047.asp?0cv=CA01
(snip)
Those journalists’ identities have not been determined. But in a follow-up memo in which he directed White House staffers Tuesday afternoon to preserve all records of communications with "any member or representative of the news media" about Wilson or his wife, Gonzalez specifically named Novak and two reporters for the New York newspaper Newsday, Washington bureau chief Timothy M. Phelps and staff writer Knut Royce.
The memo did not say why investigators would be interested in Royce and Phelps, but they covered much of the controversy over the inaccurate uranium claim earlier this year, including the initial fallout from Novak’s column in July.
(/snip)

And from Salon
Media groups concerned by probe of White House leak
http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2003/09/30/media_leak/index.html
NBC News, whose reporter Andrea Mitchell said she had an off-the-record conversation with a Bush administration official after Novak's column was published, "doesn't disclose sources and would fight any attempt to compel us to do so," spokeswoman Barbara Levin said.
----------------

Okay so none of the journalists are going to talk officially and I can understand their position of protecting their sources, so what other evidence can be used against Rove? Rove is just going to deny, deny, deny. He's an expert at that and has gotten away with it many times. He can stand the heat. So the other WH official has to be the weaker stomach one.

Another thing, if Rove isn't at the center of this you know that he would throw out the leakers right now to stop the scandal. He could be a hero by taking the hit early and saying they found the traitors and were giving them up. He'd give them up in heart beat to save his bu$h and his reputation. There's no way I'm going to believe that he doesn't know who they are, since he's one of them of course.

Sonia

[underpants]

77. Maybe the August 6th 2001 security brief will oooops be leaked?

Yeah they are sick of this I can feel it and ;-) you know it.

[dkamin]

83. What does Tenet know?

the fact that Bush kept him on after he was elected, and then after the whole Niger-gate incident, would make one believe he does know something fairly significant.

[underpants]

84. We'll see I guess

Welcome to DU :hi:

[lanlady]

78. I think we'll know for sure--

--if/when we start hearing rumors of CIA assets being compromised or arrested as a result of the leak. Then we'll know if the Agency really means business.

[Snellius]

79. Maybe this is job protection for Tenet

Finding no evidence to support their justifications for invading Iraq, the WH immediately tried to pin the blame on the CIA. Even as late as this weekend Rice pointed to a failure of intelligence. Now, with the failure of the Kay investigation to find WMDs, it is very possible that the WH was looking for a fall guy. The likely victim: George Tenet. As it is now, besides defending the CIA, Tenet has succeeded in making himself bulletproof.

[Imajika]

81. I don't think so....

"you have NO IDEA how big this is!!"

I really think your so excited that your not seeing this for what it is. Some bad press for Bush for a few days - yes, some monumental scandal - I seriously doubt it.

I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that this entire flap is done and forgotten about by most of the media in a weeks time. The Sunday news shows will discuss it some, but next week is "Arnold week" - and you better believe that the California recall will be much more entertaining to the American press than some leaks that might result in pressure on journalists to reveal sources - or cause "senior" officials to clam up and stop feeding them information.

"the Agency is f*cking PISSED! that is political DEATH. this is just the first salvo. there is MUCH more to come IMHO."

Hmmm. "The agency" doesn't like their budget cut and high profile lawmakers accusing them of illegal activities and wrongdoing - but somehow "the agency" has been unable to end the political careers of many politicians who have done just that. I think your exaggerating quite a lot here.

"bank it."

Hmmmm. Now where have I heard this before? Maybe after reading that Enron would "bring Bush down". Perhaps after seeing post after post detailing how the 'Bush Knew' story meant "Bush was toast". Or it could be after the 'Niger-Uranium' story broke - but just before the entire saga completely dissappeared from the media two days later.

Every White House has a few scandals. They don't normally last long unless the story is constantly fed. With reporters unwilling to reveal their sources, Novak out defending the administration and Bush's own Justice Department running the investigation - I just don't see how this thing lasts more than another few days.

"its coming. we will ALL be vindicated"

Yes, your right, but it won't be because of this story. When that happens it will be bacause the Democratic Party ran a good candidate with a smart campaign strategy that defeats the GOP across the board come election day. People are right to be happy when Bush gets bad press, but should not pin their hopes on every single media flap that comes along - it just causes such dissappointment a few days later when the major media has moved on.

Imajika

[Media_Lies_Daily]

82. Let's see, what else could the CIA have to unload on the Bushies?....

1) How about the idea that the Bushies allowed the events of 911 to happen?

2) Why the extreme delay in getting interceptors into the air on 911, why were so few ordered into the air, and why were they chosen to fly from the most distant air bases in the region?

3) How about the real story about what happened to the fourth hijacked plane that ended up crashing in a Pennsylvania field but left behind an eight-mile trail of debris? What is the real reason why the FAA will not release the original cockpit tapes on Flight 93?

4) What did Bush really mean when he told two different groups in the White House about actually seeing the first plane hit the WTC? He couldn't have seen the second plane hit because he was in the Florida classroom at the time.

5) How about the true nature of the relationship between Saudi Arabia, the Bin Laden family, and the Bushies?

6) Why was the FBI ordered off their investigations of potential Saudi Arabian terrorists sometime prior to 911?

7) How about the 120 Israelis that were working on or near U. S. military bases as "artists" who were rounded up and deported within days of 911?

8) How about the Israelis that were arrested while filming the WTC disaster...and appeared to be cheering according to eyewitnesses? How about the fact that at least two of those people admitted to being Mossad operatives?

9) And what did that FEMA official mean when he told Dan Rather that his team had arrived in New York City the night before 911?

Does anyone want to believe that the CIA doesn't have the goods on any of this? Just the tip of the iceberg, folks.

[cayanne]

86. Thanks Matcom

I've been waiting, hoping you'd check in on this. You've put a great big smile on my face. I don't have a smiley face big enough to show you just how big my smile really is. I'm content to wait for the drips now that I know they're coming.

[jonoboy]

87. about time

as I have seen in Australia ( PM Gough Whitlam )and the UK (PM Harold Wilson), when Governments tangle with the CIA it's only a matter of time..wondered why it hadn't happened yet in the US but I guess it's begun. Never mess with a spook.

[Robin Hood]

88. Note to self.

Never ever fuck with the CIA.