Holy Crap! The Truth on MSRNC! Bushco** "Cooked Intelligence"!

[leftchick]

Jonathan Alter was just on MSRNC discussing this article in this week's Newsweek. He Said it! The Plame/Wilson/WH controversy is about how we went to War and how the WH "Cooked Intelligence" to claim WMD and get their war on!

The news reader asked if it was really the "wrong intelligence" that led to the WMD claim and Jonathan would have none of it. Here is his article....


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8598301/site/newsweek/

<snip>

We got in because we "cooked" the intelligence, then hyped it. That's why the "Downing Street Memo" is not a smoking gun but a big "duh." For two years we've known that senior White House officials were determined to, in the words of the British intelligence memo, "fix" the intelligence to suit their policy decisions. When someone crossed them, they would "fix" him, too, as career ambassador Joseph Wilson found when he came back from Africa with a report that threw cold water on the story that Saddam Hussein sought yellowcake uranium from Niger.

Was Plame "fair game," as Karl Rove told Chris Matthews? George H.W. Bush didn't think so. Even after Wilson embarrassed the president publicly, Bush Sr. wrote Wilson—whom he had appointed to various ambassadorial posts—to congratulate him for his service and sympathize with him over the outing of his wife. The old man was head of the CIA in the 1970s and knows the consequences of blowing the identities of covert operatives.


But does his son? A real leader wouldn't hide behind Clintonian legalisms like "I don't want to prejudge." Even if the disclosure was unintentional and no law was broken, Rove's confirmed conduct—talking casually to two reporters without security clearances about a CIA operative—was dangerous and wrong. As GOP congressman turned talk-show host Joe Scarborough puts it, if someone in his old congressional office did what Rove unquestionably did, that someone would have been promptly fired, just as the president promised in this case. Scarborough, no longer obligated to toe the pathetic Republican Party line, says it's totally irrelevant if Joe Wilson is a preening partisan who misled investigators about the role his wife played in recommending his Niger trip. The frantic efforts of the GOP attack machine to change the subject to Wilson shows how scared Republicans are that the master of their universe will be held accountable for Rove's destructive carelessness.

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[ezee]

1. I heard that too and fell

out of bed when he repeated the fact that it was COOKED. The truth shall set us free!

[EST]

2. Even their misuse of the verb "prejudge"

instead of "prejudice" makes my skin crawl and my blood pressure soar. Ignorant, lying, criminally insane, dangerously misguided dipshits.

Edited to add: When Mr. Podesta, or perhaps it was Mr. Alter, added that if Rove had an ounce of character, he would resign, I nearly fell off the couch!
There must have been a testosterone storm associated with hurricane Dennis.

[TahitiNut]

22. "If Rove had an ounce of character ..."

... he wouldn't be Karl Rove, and he wouldn't publicize national security secrets for partisan vengeance!

But it doesn't either start with or end with Karl Rove; the core of this administration is terminally corrupt - they're war criminals! There isn't "an ounce of character" among the lot of them!

[EST]

30. Corrupt beyond any redeeming qualities.

It is startling that so many refuse to see their underlying fetid corruption.

[helderheid]

3. thank you

:applause: :toast:

[Stand and Fight]

4. Wow! Just wow!

"Cooked intelligence."
"Hyped intelligence."

:wow:

[Sydnie]

5. The tempo of the music of our country is about to change

Can you hear it? It's building!

[DemsUnited]

6. Holy Crap is right!!! This article is GREAT!! Will be buying many

copies of newsweek to show pocketbook support for reporting like this. Recommend Newsweek letter to the editor campaign praising this article once the hardcopy hits newstands.

[jojo54]

7. The truth shall be heard!!

A lot of us know in our hearts and guts that there is a connection. I just can't wait until it really gets out and the indictments come down. Then we'll see just how holy and patriotic all these freepers are. I want to see headlines that say "Moral values, huh?"

[ewagner]

8. Pretty much sums it up in a nutshell

"...in the words of the British intelligence memo, "fix" the intelligence to suit their policy decisions. When someone crossed them, they would "fix" him, too..."

:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:


That's what this whole mess is all about.

I'm shocked to see somebody boldly pointing this out. I think it means the press is no longer afraid of Rove.

[Sparkman]

11. right, media knows that Rove will not be around long as retaliation threat

So why suppress the SAFE stories that are proven with three sources.
Next, they will begin daily tallies of U.S. kids dying, bleeding for OIL and the war profiteering opportunistic MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX

[leftchick]

25. I just about had to slap myself

I thought I was dreaming to hear that on a cable news channel. I don't ever remember Alter being so critical. I think the tide has finally turned.

[IndyOp]

9. This war will hasten the modernization,

if not the democratization, of the Middle East? Crap.

Overall - good article. The anglo-centric hubris of the above comment rubs the wrong way.

:grr:

[seemslikeadream]

10. HOW MANY MORE WILL PAY FOR YOUR LIES GEORGIE?

B.f.p.o.*
Army dreamers.
Mammy’s hero.
B.f.p.o.
Mammy’s hero.

Our little army boy
Is coming home from b.f.p.o.
I’ve a bunch of purple flowers
To decorate a mammy’s hero.

Mourning in the aerodrome,
The weather warmer, he is colder.
Four men in uniform
To carry home my little soldier.

What could he do?
Should have been a rock star.
But he didn’t have the money for a guitar.
What could he do?
Should have been a politician.
But he never had a proper education.
What could he do?
Should have been a father.
But he never even made it to his twenties.
What a waste --
Army dreamers.
Ooh, what a waste of
Army dreamers.

Tears o’er a tin box.
Oh, jesus christ, he wasn’t to know,
Like a chicken with a fox,
He couldn’t win the war with ego.

Give the kid the pick of pips,
And give him all your stripes and ribbons.
Now he’s sitting in his hole,
He might as well have buttons and bows.

What could he do?
Should have been a rock star.
But he didn’t have the money for a guitar.
What could he do?
Should have been a politician.
But he never had a proper education.
What could he do?
Should have been a father.
But he never even made it to his twenties.
What a waste --
Army dreamers.
Ooh, what a waste of
Army dreamers.
Ooh, what a waste of all that
Army dreamers,
Army dreamers,
Army dreamers, oh...

(b.f.p.o.)
Did-n-did-n-did-n-dum...
Army dreamers.
Did-n-did-n-did-n-dum...
(mammy’s hero.)
(b.f.p.o.)
Army dreamers.
(mammy’s hero.)
(b.f.p.o.)
No harm heroes.
(mammy’s hero.)
(b.f.p.o.)
Army dreamers.
(mammy’s hero.)
(b.f.p.o.)
No harm heroes.

Kate Bush

[kentuck]

12. They've (the media) known for two years !

Why the hell did they think that was not a relevant matter to the American people and went along with the White House? What a bunch of traitors!

[TahitiNut]

23. Amen.

I can only believe they're use a limited number of neocon administration insiders as fall-guys. Even in joining their voices to the "fire Rove" chorus, such a response isn't even close to being enough to achieve anything resembling justice for these war criminals. I can't help believing they're doing "damage control."

[gratuitous]

13. The Downing Street Memo is a big "duh"?

Well, to Mr. Alter and those of us who actually pay attention to such things, I suppose that the substance of the Downing Street minutes does not come as much of a surprise. After all, some of us regard going to war as a serious even a sober enterprise, to be undertaken only at extreme need. For the corrupt gang currently squatting in the White House, war is simply another political game to accrue power.

While I don't think there's a grand unified theory of Republican corruption, but many, many little threads all combining to create an enormous cable of corruption, it should be too hard to see threads that lay close to one another -- as in the cooking of the rationale for invading Iraq and the ending of Valerie Plame's career because her husband didn't go along with the program. A little bit of poking around would find any number of other folks whose livelihoods were terminated or severely curtailed because they weren't on the bandwagon to launch an imperial invasion.

The artifacts are practically exposed on the surface of the ground, my little archaeologically-minded journalists; a little digging, a little dusting, and there could be a batch of Pulitzers and lucrative book deals in the offing.

[goclark]

14. I would not trust POPPY nor should anyone

He is one sneaky character.


THINK --- POPPY writes that letter and that immediately puts a halo around him and his Boy King.

He could have stopped ROVE from saying it but he did not. Perhaps after he learned of it, he decided to do the smart thing.

POPPY is one sick little villain.

[fooj]

24. I'm with you 100% on that one!

Sick and TWISTED villian...

peace.

[progressoid]

15. I like that Jonathon Alter

[berni_mccoy]

16. One thing I hate and like at the same time about that article:

He uses the term "Clintonian Legalisms" which associates what the Administration is doing with Clinton's way of getting out of legal trouble by defining sex. Nothing a repug hates more than being associated with Clinton. I wish he had just found another way of insulting them.

[xchrom]

17. i love jonathon alter -- but i have no trust in the msm.

they are still a corporate mouthpiece and will remain so until we tackle the issue of how western economies are set up -- i.e. publicly traded companies that are more interested in the bottom line for their investors than in providing unbiased information for the good society to run and shape their lives.

whether we like it or not -- and i don't like it -- the msm is a compromised institution.

that puts them in league with pnacers and other corporatists who want to shape our lives to suit their purposes.
it doesn't have to be a smoky backroom conspiracy. they just have to work toward their commonly held goals together.

[Hamlette]

18. Podesta said it yesterday on Russert's show

and Tim didn't correct him. This is the exact reason given by previous presidents for never doing the preemptive war thing. What if we're wrong? Now we know.

That and the reelection of the president have done more harm to this country than any thing else in our history.

[converted_democrat]

19. Times are a changing folks, people are pissed..........

This administration has fucked up EVERYTHING it has touched. The lies, the fuck-ups, the loss of our freedoms.....People are pissed.

[sellitman]

20. That is quaint...

A murderer dissing a Traitor.


:crazy:


:shrug:

[chaumont58]

21. A beltway whore is a beltway whore is a beltway whore

Jonathan Alter can't help himself. He has to get in an obligatory dig at Clinton, else he would lose his status as a beltway whore, and never get invited to Georgetown diner parties.

He writes this:

A real leader wouldn't hide behind Clintonian legalisms like "I don't want to prejudge."

Sweet fuckin' Jesus! ABC's Ann Compton last Thursday or Friday still thought Clinton's blowjob behavior was worse because it was a human failure, not a policy decision. Never mind that no one died from the blowjob, but 1700 American soldiers are dead from Bush's policy decision.
Most Dems are pleased as punch at the grilling chimpie and crew are getting from the beltway whores, but these fuckin' people have been zombies for 12 years. They are going to have to do a lot more before they lose the whore status with me.

[Garbo 2004]

26. The media "knew" for two years (and many of us believed) that the "intel"

was "cooked" and we were lied into a war with disastrous consequences, both foreign and domestic.

But we little folks didn't have the big megaphone of the press. So, Mr. Alter, why didn't you and your colleagues use your bully pulpit to tell everyone that it was all BS, that the Administration was lying us into a needless war??? Why not, Mr. Alter? You and your media buds spent YEARS hyperventilating about a blue dress and a lie about sex. But our nation and others were being lied into a war and it really wasn't worth headlines and repetition throughout the 24/7 newscycle? Instead all we got was WMD, mushroom clouds, and Saddam could attack the continental US with flying drones???? All nonsense, all lies and where were you and the media that "knew" that's all it was?

What's different now, Mr. Alter? Is Karl Rove no longer on your speed dial??? Is it now safe for you to say what you wouldn't say two years ago?

[FreedomAngel82]

27. Wow

That's just wow. So I wonder what's up. I remember watching the Daily show coverage of 2004 of the DNC convention and they had Joe Biden on there talking about the no wmd ordeal and he was saying that 70% of the people involved were saying "no that's not what it's for" and the rest of the group was saying "yes that's what it's for" (talking about that tube Colin Powell showed) so this shows what he was talking about.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

28. This is how we connect the dots...

between Plame and the DSM.

The Bush Administration was relying on fraudulent evidence to back their rush to war. As the DSM documents, the evidence was being fixed to support their policy of pre-emptive war. Joe Wilson exposed the Bush Administration's lies regarding nuclear materials from Niger, and in relationation, Rove et. al. betrayed Valerie Plame and untold other deep-cover CIA operatives. Now the entire Bush Administration is lying about Wilson, and Plame, and about Rove's role in committing treason.

[oasis]

29. kick for another shot at DOWNING STREET MINUTES.