Tom Cruise to Matt Lauer: "You should be more responsible."

[skooooo]

Well isn't that the truth! We should all hold the mainstream media more responsible and be in thier face about it. Tom may be a little goofy these days, but there's still something to learn from this latest PR flap. The media need to be confronted about their sloppiness.

[Spinzonner]

1. Obviously, Tom's off his meds ...

[thebigidea]

2. this coming from the guy who thinks he can fire off "intention beams"

... by staring really, really hard at people.

[skooooo]

4. yeah yeah, ok..

I just got a kick out of someone being confrontational with the media. Admittedly he was over the top.

[Spinzonner]

7. I used to do that with my dog

I always won.

Maybe that's what Tom thinks his relationship is to us lower forms.

For those "Unclear" on the concept.

[mondo joe]

3. How much more responsible does Cruise need to be in his statements

about healthcare?

[fryguy]

5. too bad he was talking about responsibility in media for nutty things

like bad mouthing the mental health profession and Scientology, not the DSM, Iraq, Social Security, etc..... and I don't imagine the MSM will draw the link between just because Loony Cruise bounced up and down on a chair and menacingly pointed his finger at Lauer....

[readmylips]

6. Matt Lauer grabbing headlines for himself....Loser!

Katie Couric is TV's sweetheart, Matt Lauer is a zero to the left. He needs to get in famous people's faces, like he did Hillary Clinton and now Tom Cruise, so that he can get some sweet headlines and recognition. Lauer is full of envy that stupid idiot.

[philosophie_en_rose]

24. Katie Couric is as aggressive as Matt Lauer.

And that's a compliment. Matt Lauer treated pseudo-scientist Cruise like Katie Couric treated Ann Coulter.

Exactly how they deserved. They became combative and personally insulting, because neither has an affinity for facts.

[LibraLiz1973]

58. ding ding ding philosophie_en_rose! Your 100% right

People like Cruise, Coulter, Hannity etc. FLIP OUT and start spouting filth THE SECOND the "facts" they present are questioned. I've got NO respect for Tom Cruise what-so-ever. He can take that Scientology and shove it up his a**. I don't believe that being a scientologist gives you the right to be condescending, confrontational & judge mental. To me he is NO better than GWB spouting off about being a Christian Conservative. Apparently those things give absolutely no leeway anywhere and require you to be an arrogant bastard.

[Patty Diana]

8. Apparently Mr Cruise is suffering from a Huge Cluster of Mental Disorders

if he isn't certifiably deranged, i will be forced to put him on my never watch his movies again list.

[peekaloo]

9. He looked demented on the Today show.

But I must admit seeing Mutt with his hurt puppy face made me larf!

[skooooo]

13. He did look pretty rough, and a bit "wild eyed."

And there's nothing worse than that, you know!

[Lisa0825]

26. He looked scary!!!

Big bags under his buggy eyes. Looked like he skipped the makeup chair for this interview too! And he seemed angry and extremely agitated about it too.

[earth mom]

10. Tom did the right thing and exposed the drug pushers...

he should be commended. Instead he is slammed over and over here on DU for his religion. Who gives a damn what his religion is?! At least he doesn't preach up one side and down the other like so many Christians do. I'm VERY glad he said what he did! Finally someone tells the Corporate whores to F*ck off! Oh, how I love it! :woohoo:

Just wait until they start trying to drug everyones' kids because they don't conform to what the powers that be consider the "norm" and there is nothing anyone can do about it-people will be singing a far different tune then. :eyes:

[Spinzonner]

11. He didn't 'expose' anything except his own irrationality

religion-based or not.

He is perfectly entitled to criticize the abuses and excesses of the drug industry and even psychiatry. But he has to take responsibility for his statements and expect to defend them on a reasoned, factual basis - not a faith-based one.

[mondo joe]

14. Yes, trade in the corporate masters for the cult/religious masters

I love the false choice of "drug everybody's kid" or "all drugs are bad".

[earth mom]

22. I never said all drugs are bad.

I AM NOT AGAINST the medical industry or prescriptions for REAL life threatening illnesses.

However,
I AM AGAINST the power and influence the pharma giants wield via their political contributions and lobbyists in Washington.

I AM AGAINST how the pharma giants covered up and ran from any responsibility for the pushing of vaccinations laced with mercury which caused autism on children.

I AM AGAINST how the pharma giants promote popping pills as the answer for every malady.

I AM AGAINST how the pharma giants and those in the medical profession on their payroll bad mouth homeopathic remedies that have been found to work.

I AM AGAINST how the pharma giants and those in the medical/mental health profession-that the pharma giants have control over or have on the payroll-have systematically brainwashed the people of this country into believing that drugs are the "only" answer.

I AM AGAINST how the pharma giants are behind legislation on the table that will order every school to evaluate every kid for mental illness and FORCE them to take mind controlling prescription drugs whether their parents agree with it or not.

:grr:

[mondo joe]

23. Then you're badly confused because Cruise is attacking psychiatry and

healthcare, not pharma giants.

[earth mom]

31. I was in a hurry and forgot to add that

psychiatrists, therapists, analysts don't know everything. There are way too many prescriptions (pushed by the pharma giants) thrown at so called mental illnesses when homeopathic remedies would work much better without the horrible side effects. We are putting way too many chemicals into our bodies from poisoned food, water, drugs, and by way of pollution. Get rid of these poisons and I'm sure many so called "mental illnesses" will disappear. But the pharma giants don't want people to know that-because there's NO PROFIT in it for them. :sarcasm:

edited to add: Healthcare is welded to the pharma giants-you can't separate them-they are paying "medical professionals" to PUSH drugs on people! Damn the side effects, damn the consequences! :grr:

[mondo joe]

41. Psychiatrists don't know everything = all of medicine is a hoax

Good job. Sounds like Bush's reasoning on Iraq, or Creationist logic.

[earth mom]

53. Do NOT lump me in with * or the fundies...

:grr:

I never said all medicine is a hoax. I said that doctors do NOT know everything. If they did there would be a cure for cancer and no one would ever get sick from anything EVER. Quit putting them on some pedestal-they are human and make tons of mistakes while far too many of them kiss ass with the pharma giants.

Which by that alone should give everyone in this country pause as to who they really care about. :eyes:

[mondo joe]

56. Doctors don't know everything = Scientists don't know everything.

Same BS I hear from creationists. Since scientists don't know everything, they are on the same footing as creationists with their pseudo-science crap.

No one says doctors know everything. But their lack of omniscience doesn't increase the veracity of any other cracpot.

[earth mom]

65. And your pro big pharma stance isn't BS?

:rofl:

Take away the BRIBERY given to doctors and scientists from vested corporate interests and then we will see some REAL medicine and REAL science practiced. Until the influence of this tainted money is taken away you will NEVER have REAL HONEST TO GOODNESS medicine OR science.

PERIOD.

[mondo joe]

66. Which "pro big pharma stance" is that? Please cite my pro big pharma

post.

[earth mom]

75. How about every single post you've made in reply to me.

Why do you keep pounding away at this issue if you don't have a vested interest yourself? I have family members harmed by the drug companies. I'm not going to just stand around and say nothing about them.

The drug companies do NOT care about anything but profits!

If they did care:

Thousands of kids would not have autism.

Millions of seniors could afford their medication instead of having to choose them over food.

They would not be pushing the mandatory testing and subsequent drugging of kids for mental illnesses that they will in turn profit from.

and

They would not slam alternative medicine at every turn.

The pharma giants have turned a blind eye to children and seniors and a whole host of other people in this country who have been harmed by them because of GREED. :puke:

So what's your reason for defending them? Hmmm?

[mondo joe]

77. I'm against lies and slander and inaccuracy. That does not make me pro

pharmaco.

Don't confuse me disagreeing with your erroneous statements with me suppporting the pharmaceutical industry.

I have never defended any pharmaceutical company, or the industry. Not once.

But you have said providers give prescriptions for bribes. Can you substantiate that claim please?

[earth mom]

79. Are you a doctor?

[mondo joe]

80. No, I'm not. Now please substantiate your claims about physicians

prescribing as a result of bribes.

[earth mom]

84. You know what? I do NOT have to prove anything to you.

But here's something FYI...one of many such cases no doubt.

http://www.drugrecallresource.com/html/neurontin_info.html

Next time do your own research.

[mondo joe]

85. Fine. Thanks for admitting your claims are unsubstantiated.

Good luck.

[earth mom]

86. Excuse me? Did you even read it?

"A lawsuit was filed against Pfizer, who acquired Warner-Lambert, in June of 2002 for deliberate false marketing of their drug, alleging that the company paid for inexpensive clinical studies that showed favorable results for Neurontin®’s efficacy in treating a variety of conditions, to be written up in prominent medical journals. Moreover, the company engaged in an aggressive, and illegal marketing campaign, in which doctors were given kick backs for prescribing the drug for off-label uses, including trips to Puerto Rico and tickets to the Olympics. Due to all of these marketing efforts, Neurontin® became the best-selling anticonvulsant medication in the United States.

In May 2004, Pfizer, Warner-Lambert’s parent company, agreed to pay $430 million in penalties for false marketing, including suppressing a study that showed Neurontin® to be less effective in treating bipolar disorder than a sugar pill.

Neurontin® side effects have been shown to include the following:
* Viral infections
* Convulsions
* Memory loss
* Suicidal tendency
* Behavioral side effects"

[mondo joe]

87. Right. Bribing physicians is illegal. Are you claiming that finding

a few cases of physicians involved in illegal activities means that is the norm?

[earth mom]

88. If it happens even once than that should get everyone's guard up.

Look, why are you hammering on this issue? You asked for proof, I gave it to you even though I didn't feel I should have to. Now you are asking me to prove each and every instance. Get real.

Next you'll ask me to prove that the BFEE is corrupt too. :eyes:

[mondo joe]

89. Is your contention that as a norm physicians prescribe as a result of

bribes?

I know physicians - like Italians, athletes, and even democrats - occasionally do illegal things.

[earth mom]

91. How many more questions do you have up your sleeve?

You figure out how many "physicians"-nice fancy word there-take bribes and let me know when you have it all figured out. 'Kay?

Have fun! :hi:

[mondo joe]

92. "Physicians" is a fancy word? You're the one saying they're making

prescriptions based on bribes. How many do you think there are? 90%

Sorry I ambushed you with a fancy word like "physicians".

[mondo joe]

68. BTW, which bribes specifically do you allege are given to physicians

that interfere with prescribing practices?

[Cha]

64. I read what you're saying and

I agree.

Tom Cruise has some good things to say and he's being mocked to death on DU for scientology.

At least he told matty the hun off.

[mondo joe]

67. It was good of him to say he knows more about health care issues of

individuals than they or their physicians know?

Nice!

[QC]

27. "At least he doesn't preach up one side and down the other...."

Lately that's all he does.

If Cruise were a Southern Baptist who pushed his religion on people 24/7 and urged them to stop taking their medicine and let Falwell heal them, would you be defending him?

[philosophie_en_rose]

30. He didn't expose the corporate anything.

He doesn't give a shit about corporate evil. That's what his cult is all about.

He thinks he can read cult propaganda and be an expert. :eyes:



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8343367/page/3/

[LibraLiz1973]

59. Uh, NO he didn't.

He opened his fat pie hole to discuss post par tum drugs. He wanted to bash Brooke Shields for turning to medication to help during her bout with PPD. As someone who takes an anti-depressant, I am sickened by his attitude.

If he wanted to make the point that children are over-prescribed that would have been fine. Attacking someone about what was obviously a difficult point in their life makes Tom Cruise a big piece of sh*t.

[LibraLiz1973]

60. quote from TC: YOU don't understand the history of psychiatry...but I DO

We asked Cruise to explain his recent comments regarding Brooke Shields. Cruise created a firestorm when he criticized Shields for revealing that she went into therapy and took antidepressants to deal with her postpartum depression. Cruise has said that, as a Scientologist, he doesn't believe in psychiatric medicine.

Cruise: I've never agreed with psychiatry, ever. Before I was a Scientologist I never agreed with psychiatry. And when I started studying the history of psychiatry, I understood more and more why I didn't believe in psychology.

And as far as the Brooke Shields thing, look, you got to understand, I really care about Brooke Shields. I think, here's a wonderful and talented woman. And I want to see her do well. And I know that psychiatry is a pseudo science.

Lauer: But Tom, if she said that this particular thing helped her feel better, whether it was the antidepressants or going to a counselor or psychiatrist, isn't that enough?

Cruise: Matt, you have to understand this. Here we are today, where I talk out against drugs and psychiatric abuses of electric shocking people, okay, against their will, of drugging children with them not knowing the effects of these drugs. Do you know what Aderol is? Do you know Ritalin? Do you know now that Ritalin is a street drug? Do you understand that?

Lauer: The difference is —

Cruise: No, no, Matt.

Lauer: This wasn't against her will, though.

Cruise: Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt —

Lauer: But this wasn't against her will.

Cruise: Matt, I'm asking you a question.

Lauer: I understand there's abuse of all of these things.

Cruise: No, you see. Here's the problem. You don't know the history of psychiatry. I do.

Lauer: Aren't there examples, and might not Brooke Shields be an example, of someone who benefited from one of those drugs?

Cruise: All it does is mask the problem, Matt. And if you understand the history of it, it masks the problem. That's what it does. That's all it does. You're not getting to the reason why. There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance.

Lauer: So, postpartum depression to you is kind of a little psychological gobbledygook —

Cruise: No. I did not say that.

Lauer: I'm just asking what you, what would you call it?

Cruise: No. No. Abso— Matt, now you're talking about two different things.

Lauer: But that's what she went on the antidepressant for.

Cruise: But what happens, the antidepressant, all it does is mask the problem. There's ways, vitamins and through exercise and various things... I'm not saying that that isn't real. That's not what I'm saying. That's an alteration of what I'm saying. I'm saying that drugs aren't the answer, these drugs are very dangerous. They're mind-altering, antipsychotic drugs. And there are ways of doing it without that so that we don't end up in a brave new world. The thing that I'm saying about Brooke is that there's misinformation, okay. And she doesn't understand the history of psychiatry. She doesn't understand in the same way that you don't understand it, Matt.



Lauer: But a little bit of what you're saying Tom is, you say you want people to do well. But you want them do to well by taking the road that you approve of, as opposed to a road that may work for them.

Cruise: No, no, I'm not.

Lauer: Well, if antidepressants work for Brooke Shields, why isn't that okay?



Cruise: I disagree with it. And I think that there's a higher and better quality of life. And I think that, promoting — for me personally, see, you're saying what, I can't discuss what I wanna discuss?

Lauer: No. You absolutely can.

Cruise: I know. But Matt, you're going in and saying that, that I can't discuss this.

Lauer: I'm only asking, isn't there a possibility that — do you examine the possibility that these things do work for some people? That yes, there are abuses. And yes, maybe they've gone too far in certain areas. Maybe there are too many kids on Ritalin. Maybe electric shock —

Cruise: Too many kids on Ritalin? Matt.

Lauer: I'm just saying. But aren't there examples where it works?

Cruise: Matt. Matt, Matt, you don't even — you're glib. You don't even know what Ritalin is. If you start talking about chemical imbalance, you have to evaluate and read the research papers on how they came up with these theories, Matt, okay? That's what I've done. Then you go and you say where's the medical test? Where's the blood test that says how much Ritalin you're supposed to get?

Lauer: It's very impressive to listen to you. Because clearly, you've done the homework. And you know the subject.

Cruise: And you should. And you should do that also. Because just knowing people who are on Ritalin isn't enough. You should be a little bit more responsible in knowing really —

Lauer: I'm not prescribing Ritalin, Tom. And I'm not asking anyone else to do it. I'm simply saying, I know some people who seem to have been helped by it.

Cruise: But you're saying this is a very important issue.

Lauer: I couldn't agree more.

Cruise: It's very — and you know what? You're here on the "Today" show.

Lauer: Right.

Cruise: And to talk about it in a way of saying, "Well, isn't it okay," and being reasonable about it when you don't know and I do, I think that you should be a little bit more responsible in knowing what it is.

Lauer: But —

Cruise: Because you communicate to people.

Lauer: But you're now telling me that your experiences with the people I know, which are zero, are more important than my experiences.

Cruise: What do you mean by that?

Lauer: You're telling me what's worked for people I know or hasn't worked for people I know. I'm telling you, I’ve lived with these people and they're better.

Cruise: So, you're advocating it.

Lauer: I am not. I'm telling you in their case, in their individual case, it worked. I am not gonna go out and say, "Get your kids on Ritalin. It's the cure-all and the end-all."

[bettyellen]

71. Lauer: why isn't that okay? Cruise: I disagree with it.

[LibraLiz1973]

72. lol. Right on BettyEllen

Cruise sounds like a little baby.

[bettyellen]

74. totally ignorant AND bratty about it.

:shrug:

[Blue_Roses]

93. Tom has seriously gone over the line on this one

They're mind-altering, antipsychotic drugs. And there are ways of doing it without that so that we don't end up in a brave new world. The thing that I'm saying about Brooke is that there's misinformation, okay. And she doesn't understand the history of psychiatry. She doesn't understand in the same way that you don't understand it, Matt.

Tom Cruise not only has done too many sci-fi movies, but he's LIVING in them now:eyes: I can't get over how incredibly naive' he is on this issue. He says he "read" all the literature on these meds, but has he ever had to actually experience what life is like when you feel it spiraling out of control because of ADHD or bipolar disorder...he gone over the edge. Who is he to tell people how to live their lives:mad:

[bettyellen]

70. oh please, another "expert" weighs in.....

wait till you're confronted with a voice-hearing schizo cutting their wrists in your living room.
what are you gonna do? offer them some Centrum and a sauna? :rofl:
educate yourself about the great strides made in treating schizophrenia and chronic depression before you speak. everything that makes life easier ends up getting oversold and abused, honey that's how life is.

[LibraLiz1973]

73. Centrum & a sauna. A classic.

OMG, I literally just struggled not to pee my pants!!!!!!!!!

[bettyellen]

76. please, feel free to use it....

hey i have nothing against a good sweat, but give my cousin her meds before she cuts off her eyelashes again and starts talking about how her neighbors are spys..... i wish i was kidding with that one.

[quiet.american]

12. Have never understood Tom Cruise's appeal. n/t

[Patty Diana]

15. Olbermann ran the entire segment and had a shrink to refute it all

[mondo joe]

19. Oh no! The psycho pharma news military gop whatever complex got to

Keith!

[progressivebydesign]

16. Cruise has that creepy Mel Gibson look now..

that religious fanatic stare.

[skooooo]

18. wow, you're right..

They both have that same intense kind of look to them. (By the way, I know more about psychiatry than you do!)

[gulliver]

17. Cruise must be doing something right.

Excellent actor, excellent movies, formerly married to Nicole Kidman, engaged to Katie Holmes...

Check out his movie credits. All of his movies are watchable, and many of them are really good.

http://www.cinema.com/people/49/tom_cruise/biography.phtml

So what if he gets a little animated in interviews.

[mondo joe]

20. Yeah. Anyone with two beeautiful beards must be okay. n/t

[QC]

29. ROFLMAO! I was wondering if someone here would bring up his "romance."

n/t

[realFedUp]

21. War of the Words

He has a right to his comments but as a public
figure he should speak more responsibly also.

If he thought all this was going to be good
for the movie...
I've soured on anything Cruise.

[seabeyond]

25. and yes he should. and who the hell is lauer to ridicule someones

belief even that that isnt mainstream.

there are things about scientology that are right on
there are things in christianity that is right on
muslim
jewish
athiest


but it is in belief, created by man, power corrupts. there are things about scientology that is not right on

anything taken to extreme, is...........extreme

who the hell is lauer, or you or me to judge

and that is with all the shit.

no one wants to let go of their belief, which is fine,.....but they are insisting and demanding i chose their way

[Enraged_Ape]

28. Please tell me one thing in Scientology that is "right on"

Make sure to use the proper noun "Xenu" in your answer.

[seabeyond]

32. if you are truely interested enragedape

this is a friend who's parent fell into this in the 70's. she is still dealing with the anger she has with her parents because of it. since she has been a part from earliest of days, and has rejected it, i thought she would be much better than i to explain the higher. kinda long. but she took my question seriously. probably was good for her to think about this. so she can let go of some of her anger......at her parents becoming sheep to this orginization

"there is a lot higher in scn....I saw people who were living in gutters and on drugs rise out and empower themselves and raise self esteem

no drugs, no alcohol "permitted"

it seems to me that it was created as a way for people to break out of their old cycles, old patterns of living....by bringing an awareness....to raise their awareness, and gave tools to do so. it seemed like the idea was to empower people, and give them tools to do that also....practical tools that could be used in everyday living.

the basic tenets are core things in the higher.....
.such as
--the power of thought and the power of intent.
--that each person has a choice....choices in how to live their lives. and bringing in power of thought and intent, can create your own living experience
--that we are beings....not our body, not our mind, not our soul, and that we are eternal. we have a body, we have a mind, we have a soul
--that we have lived other lives and often that things that happened during those other lives may still be affecting us in this life. but....given tools so that could look at those and release them.
--affinity, reality, communication form a triangle....if any is out of balance then the other two are out of balance also...the three combined to create understanding
example of each person has different reality....if can communicate to each other can bring an affinity (point of acceptance, I suppose) and create an understanding even though realities are different. lots of exercises for communication, in projecting yourself to another, so as to be heard (after all this, and think of my mom and how she goes to not able to hear her, lol)
--each of us is here for a reason....a purpose
--we pick our biological family
--issues such as pain, suffering, fears, etc can be released. can be tracked back to an original incident/event, and once look at that, the emotion/charge is released.
--physical symptoms, illnesses, diseases are psychosomatic.....meaning that is reflection of something going on internally, or something that is being held onto, such as anger, fear, etc may also be related to something that happened in another life. releasing the "charge" off of the events/incidents promoted physical healing
--when learning, must understand the meanings/definitions of words....if don't, then creates a block and miss what comes next, or miss the grasp in a concept.
--everybody is created equal (thus a promotion of respect for life and for living creatures and for other humans)
--you cannot change another, you can only make change within yourself. if you feel emotion (fear, anger, etc) towards another, then there is something that is being triggered within you by the other person"

[thebigidea]

33. and in the end, it all boils down to "Buy more Elron tapes."

"Buy more auditing. Buy more sekrit powers."

All the Scientologists i've met never seemed very "empowered" to me - glassy eyed, overworked, overstressed, irritable, and self-righteous, though.

But if they just took ONE more course... then, THEN they'd have that total freedom they were offered. Of course, after years in COS, "freedom" gets erased from your vocabulary.

All hail David Miscavige! Or however the little capn' crunch troll's name is spelt...

[seabeyond]

36. any group think has the possibility of this

be it religion, a political party whatever. people are allowed their choices and to make what they want out of it

[thebigidea]

38. well, isn't that just obvious and not worth mentioning?

I don't think any one is trying to argue that people aren't allowed choices.

My choice is to mock the amphetamine-crazed, malingering, phony-Commodore-assed, shitty-novel-writing Hubbard and his wondrous tech... how can anyone take stuff like this seriously:

"One's body is a mass of individual thetans stuck to oneself or to the body. One has to clean them off by running incident II and Incident I. It is a long job, requiring care, patience and good auditing. You are running beings. They respond like any preclear. Some large, some small."

hooboy. Someone was obviously popping plenty of "pinks and greys."

[seabeyond]

52. then you will mock

if you only see the negative, you do not see the whole story. you cannot see what would bring a person to this group. then you mock

for you to mock, is an example of what hubbard is saying. deciding who another is, never works. it doesnt effect the other person. they dont have to be this person you have decided they are. your mocking only effects you, unless another chooses.....to participate in your game. otherwise you are the lone player. it is your lesson, and yours alone.

to mock, an intent to dismiss or make a person less. i would even suggest an effort to hurt another.

spiritually hurting another, is only pain to you and your experience

this is an example of the scientology philosphy i believe. but i have not studied. this is also said in other self help, psychological, and religious teaching. i have a wonderful man, ruiz, the four agreements that talk about this.

i know the old testament is to christianity, what appears to be the xenu? what ever that is.

i know the new age spirituality has its garbage

as does aa

all these areas try to lead a person from self destruction to awareness. but the nifty in awareness, there is a time to let go of the guidence and know it is ours to do. we all have it in us. we all are capable. it is only ours to do

at this point the religion or philosphy is no longer necessary, or it becomes a crutch.

these things are merely tools in life. lessons, stories. as are children, sound, music, body, animals, trees, sun.....all have the same story told.

the more people that chose to honor the story,.....that is what we create

if you chose to see the ugliest of this person. that is who they will be for you

i on the other hand can see a grace. and that is what i create

do you understand much of what i am saying. i am guessing, assuming, you do not. assuming doesnt work, cause i dont know shit about you. could be, and maybe not

i have played with so many of these things as i have aged. there is a lot more happening in this universe, the more you allow yourself to participate. here is a little ruiz. love the man

The Toltec Nagual (Shaman) don Miguel Ruiz offers his apprentices these four simple yet profound agreements as important tools on the path to personal freedom. Anyone can use these wonderful tools to break their self-limiting beliefs and agreements from the past and transform their lives into a new experience of freedom, true happiness, and love. These new agreements have the potential to help you move your attention from wha8t the world thinks you "should" do or be to what you know is right for you, reclaim scattered personal energy and power, and open up to a deeper intimacy in personal relationships.

Be Impeccable with your word. Our words, our thoughts, and our feelings all contribute to the creation of our reality. Our word is a two-edged sword, it can create or it can destroy. To be impeccable is to create with conscious awareness and love. The human mind is fertile ground for the seeds that are our word. Plant the seeds of love, not fear. Judging, blaming, shaming, and especially gossiping create poison in ourselves and others. This agreement alone is enough to break all of our old agreements and change the dream of our life.

Don't Take Anything Personally. Other people's reactions and opinions are simply other people's reactions and opinions. They are having their own experience and none of it has anything to do with you—it does not make you wrong, guilty, bad, unworthy, famous, loveable, or important. You only take them personally when you agree with their poison. If you are "triggered" by someone or they "push your buttons," they have touched a wounded place in you. Become aware of the emotional wound they have exposed for you, be grateful for their help, and take responsibility for your healing of your wound.

Don't Make Assumptions. Our minds have the need to "know." When we don't know, we make assumptions--they make us feel safer than not knowing. To imagine that you know what someone else is thinking is an assumption. To imagine that you can know or control the future or another person's actions is an assumption. Expectations are assumptions. In making assumptions, we create our reality without respect for another's truth or experience. To avoid assumptions, ask questions. It takes courage to trust the present moment, to allow other people to be exactly who they are, and to let life unfold according to its own plan . . . and it avoids a great deal of suffering

Always Do Your Best. Your best changes from moment to moment, sick or well, tired or rested. Remember that you are an imperfect human being. We can extend to ourselves and to others compassion for our human-ness and reverence for our divinity. There is no value to judging yourself for "failing"--and no truth to it either. When you are not impeccable, when you take something personally, or make an assumption, you are still doing your best, and you are still a beloved child of Spirit. Agree to always do your best, with love and acceptance for the imperfect divine human that you are.

[bettyellen]

82. we are mocking his message mostly....

nice try, but most of like to use our critical faculties and evaluate ideas.
and we have a little problem with the martian in volcanos, evil god xenu and all medications are unneccesary. they've checked people out of the hospital and let them die. if anyone in their group goes looney, they will not allow them to seek help, instead they are blamed for it. it's fucked. i have no problem making negative judgements on that kind of behaviour.

[Enraged_Ape]

40. I am truly interested

And you didn't use the proper noun "Xenu" in your answer.

[seabeyond]

46. i havent heard of xenu. i asked my friend, her reply

remember, she doesnt like this group. she feels it took her parents from her and hasnt fully come to terms. she isnt out to protect this group. maybe that came later. i read about hubert and did a little research like in the 80's when i was in calif

"no clue. never heard of any of those words or about deaths.....

interesting

haven't kept up or had contact since early 80's, and things could very well have changed. I know there was a small number of people that I knew and were of integrity who broke off from the main...so that they could maintain their integrity"

[Enraged_Ape]

54. Xenu is the big $100,000+ payoff in Scientology's "religion"

Once you've invested a king's ransom in Hubbard's philosophy, you get to become an "Operating Thetan III", at which point you learn that all of us were enslaved at one time by an intergalactic bad guy named Xenu, and that we all have the dissatisfied spirits of other intergalactic beings attached to us--said intergalactic beings having been imprisoned in ethylene glycol (more commonly known as antifreeze), then blasted out by the earth's volcanoes (thus the volcano on the cover of Hubbard's "Dianetics") to cling to our emerging souls.

Hubbard was a world-class con man and a third-rate science fiction writer. He created a "religion" that used both of these "talents". Hats off to him. No one in history with such little ability achieved such tremendous success.

[seabeyond]

94. lets remember i am not advocating this group

it just my position that what......i dont know, forgot. that was a good couple days ago. there are good things in this program. for me, all groups are sucker mentality. now, if we did as i like to be, that would mean no religion, aa, any of this stuff. not how it works. i also recognize that i may do much better individually, others are built to need want and desire group. how they travel

to believe it is what? intergalactic, in thought, can be just as real as an entity parting the red sea.

many religions and other orginizations milk money out of members, capitalism

if one choses to be a sucker, so be it. my contention is the essence, (whether stolen from religion, new age, self help) has intergrity and growth

gives southern califorians something to do. south has fundamentalism, calif has scientology. it is as it should be.

did get a giggle from your post though. one never knows, does one.

[bettyellen]

78. utter crap and totally dangerous: illnesses, diseases are psychosomatic...

physical symptoms, illnesses, diseases are psychosomatic.....meaning that is reflection of something going on internally, or something that is being held onto, such as anger, fear, etc may also be related to something that happened in another life. releasing the "charge" off of the events/incidents promoted physical healing.

and you forgot the part about the thetans? c'mon, you know that's the best part!
:rofl:


and anything worthwhile in that list was already in books like the power of positive thinking, est training, games people play, born to win. he stole a lot of pop- psych and added some stuff about aliens to the mix. give me a fucking break.

[mondo joe]

81. I thought I had a Thetan but it turned out to be just bad gas.

You never know!

[bettyellen]

83. i keep my thetan in a music box....

he wears a tutu and spins when i open it up!

[Ilsa]

42. I didn't hear Lauer ridicule Cruise.

I heard him tell Cruise that he knows of children that have been helped by pharmaceuticals like Ritalin, so therefore, they can't ALL be bad. Maybe I missed it, but I didn't hear Lauer questioning Cruise's belief system.

[seabeyond]

44. my bad, was just listening to rhetoric on board

i have a lot of children being drugged, or suggestion of drugs, that i am opposed. i think we are certainly abusing drugs, and covering up the real issues. i can be empathic with the drug issue while needed, but drug doesnt cure, nor does it fix. and then with our government wanting to get into drug dispensing, i really oppose. my son would be the first to fail a test, and they want to drug him. i have worked the last 4 years finding tools for him that will last a lifetime, not a drug to get him through

but thank you for injecting your balance here. always appreciated

[Ilsa]

50. I guess it is possible that Lauer could be implying something and

hinting around it. As a matter of fact, I think that might happen tomorrow (Monday) morning on the Today show when they re-exploit the whole face-off. Yep, they are running it again for discussion on Monday.

There are some new therapies for ADHD:

http://www.bcia.org/pages/index.cfm?pageid=1

http://www.tarnowcenter.com/feature2_2005.htm (A good article on QEEG)

I also think stuff like Interactive Metronome, Hippotherapy, and taking music or dance lessons help because they require focus and development of timing/coordination, which afects pacing.

[seabeyond]

51. touch alone effects the childs behavior

we find many exercises for son thru out his day to strengthen his focus ability. on the one hand we say he lacks in focus, on the other hand, the challenge for him to focus, is because he is focusing so hard on something in his brain, lol.

i have spent a lot of time in my childrens classes over the last handful of years. i see all kinds of reasons for the escalation of add, adhd, bi polar, autism.

there truly are other ways than just going to a drug.

thanks for the sites. i will check them out

[LibraLiz1973]

61. seabeyond, Lauer wasn't ridiculing his beliefs... Read the transcript

over again. He was mainly saying TOM should be more TOLERANT. Nothing wrong with that

[high density]

34. I hate Matt Lauer

But that idiotic interview that he had to conduct with Tom Cruise actually made me feel a bit sorry for Lauer. Tom Cruise came off sounding as uninformed and crazy as Scott McClellan does during his press conferences.

[Misskittycat]

35. I'm not a big fan of Matt Lauer either, but I think he did ok on this one.

He did repeatedly challenge Tom, and also let Tom go on sounding like a lunatic, which is a useful interview technique.

[LibraLiz1973]

I'm with you. I don't like Lauer at all- but Cruise is insane

[LibraLiz1973]

62. I'm with you. I don't like Lauer at all- but Cruise is insane

[Media_Lies_Daily]

37. Interesting that despite all we know about the captive mainstream media...

...that so many DUers in this thread want to slam Cruise for his willingness to openly discuss his personal beliefs. He didn't have to answer any of Mr. Lauer's questions, but he did. He must have known how his answers would be perceived by the viewing audience because he's been subjected to the same reactions for as long as he's believed in Scientology.

At the very least, Cruise has the courage to publicly state what he believes, and is willing to strongly defend that belief.

I also noted a couple of references to whether or not Cruise is gay...on this board, I didn't think that mattered. An I wrong to be thinking that way?

What happened to the progressive value of tolerance for all races, creeds, cultures, and religions?

[thebigidea]

39. he does not have the courage to state what he believes

his beliefs are called "trade secrets," and are not for unenlightened ears.

he goes ballistic if you try to ask Scientology questions...

what he gives out is the comeon line to bring the rubes in - the anti-psych stuff. The other route celebs take is praising the virtues of Narcanon or whatever their get-off-drugs-and-on-Scientology program is called.

You'll never catch him in an interview talking about his Scientology beliefs in anything but the most superficial way.

But, yeah - obviously if one thinks Scientology is a destructive cult, one is simply an awful bigot.

However, if you think psychiatry is a destructive cult - well, then you're simply stating your beliefs and being strong and stuff.

They not only think psychs are a destructive cult, they think psychs are descendants of an alien race of enslavers!

from the WP:

"Hubbard taught that the psychiatric establishment--which always looked askance at his theories--was not just a present-day evil, but a timeless one. In a distant galaxy, alien "psychs" devised implants that would ultimately wreck the spiritual progress of human beings, he said. The psychs and their "blackened souls," he preached, were to blame for all crime, violence and sin. "They destroyed every great civilization to date and are hard at work on this one."

So I think it would be fair enough to if not brand Scientology as the source of all crime, violence, and sin - but as the source of speed-crazed delusions from a 3rd rate hack.

[skooooo]

47. Tolerance has nothing to do with it...

...and you seemed to have not even watched the video of the interview. Cruise was nutty, plain and simple. Doesn't matter if he had been expressing views on whatever -- he was combative and a know-it-all. That turns people off to your message, no matter what your message is.

[shance]

49. I couldnt have said it better MLD***

Thank you for your wise insight as always.

[mondo joe]

55. I never go on about tolerance. I have no tolerance for idiocy, for people

who hurt other people, or for liars.

[LibraLiz1973]

63. mmm... not so much. Cruise started this whole thing by talking about

Brooke Shields. Had he kept his OPINION to himself............

[K-W]

43. Not every critique of the media is valid

and he didnt mean real responsibility.

[SammyWinstonJack]

45. Matt "I'm to sexy for myself" Lauer?

The bushbot POS. I can't stomach him or Tom Cruise these days! Let these overpaid untalented jerks walk a day in the real world and see what that is like. Who cares what they think? I certainly don't!

[eauclaireliberal]

48. Cruise should shut his mouth

and keep it shut: Tom Cruise is a freeper who like Bruce Willis, Arnie, Spielberg, etc. support the Iraq quagmire for the oil interests of the U.S. and a few other things (that is unwise to discuss here), safe to say that he too spouts off the usual RW spin of "spreading democracy" and "patriotism."

Who gives a flying-fuck what these people think.

[LibraLiz1973]

57. We SHOULD hold the media responsible for some things, but TC is an idiot

Without a doubt the MSM needs to be held accountable for their faulty reporting (or complete lack of coverage) about the war, the Presidents f ups and things of that nature. Interviewing a celebrity and asking questions isnt the same thing. Tom Cruise is obviously losing his shit- I'd say he might want to look into meds STAT.

[Endangered Specie]

69. Why dont $cientoligists have mass suicide rituals?

ah, I can dream, cant i?

[Ilsa]

90. NBC is going to replay allof this on Monday morning.

They know they can get more mileage out of this interaction between the two of them. I bet they cover it for at least through Wednesday.