Boxer on Hardball now Re: Bolton. nt

[smartvoter]

[babylonsister]

1. And David Gregory is playing Tweety-wheee!!! nt

[smartvoter]

5. I've seen Gregory go after Bush on non-answers. nt

[smartvoter]

12. Boxer just stuffed Allen. nt

[babylonsister]

65. Smith spelled it out-wheeee! David Kay up next! And thank

you, David Gregory! :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[fooj]

2. "Continuing to obstruct"...Allen is an asshole.

:banghead:

[NJ Democrats]

8. i hate him

soooo annoying. I wish Warner would run and kick his ass in 06.

[The_Casual_Observer]

9. Would that be champion dumb-ass george allen

the infamous racist football quarterback of Palos Verdes High 1970?

[Carla in Ca]

137. Allen is smug

"They want more and more information, a fishing expedition".
Sound familiar?

[Connie_Corleone]

3. And Chris Matthews isn't there, thank Gawd!

David Gregory in for Matthews tonight.

[MeDeMax]

31. I thought Chris was doing DSM tonight, no ?

or so I heard, and so it says on their site:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/

[Carla in Ca]

138. Wow, what is going on at msnbc?

Look at those headlines, articles and videos.
David Shuster's article is right on...read it.

{snip)

The administration seems to think that by shifting the justification for the war or changing what administration officials said 3 years ago, the president's poll numbers will magically turn around. The pretzel shaped logic of this strategy is mind-boggling. And one begins to wonder if the gang that helped President Bush win a 2nd term has been stuffed into a closet.

DSM on Hardball.

Richard Haass video for his new book:

Jun. 16: In his new book, The Opportunity, Richard Haass argues that the U.S. is not taking full advantage of its opportunity to usher in a new era of peace, prosperity, and freedom.



Has someone changed the policy? I stopped watching all news channels after the stolen election, but I might take another look if this keeps up.

[emcguffie]

140. I wonder if it's because you stopped watching --

along with so many others, that they're changing their approach? I wonder if they listened to all us angry folk who just turned all the news off?

[LightningFlash]

141. And maybe realized that the truth is stranger than fiction?

:shrug: :shrug:

[Carla in Ca]

143. emcguffie, I think you are right

Their ratings are about as bad as can be. If faux will continue to get the conservatives then perhaps it would serve them well to 'right' themselves by turning left.

[emcguffie]

144. It's nice to know we make a difference.

It may take an awful long time, but in the long run the American people are basically good, and not entirely stupid, and at some point they wake up and smell the coffee.

We just have to make sure they don't take over with election fraud, or stage another disaster and implement martial law.

My daily nightmares.

[Carla in Ca]

145. I understand completely

But you know, with Dean as DNC chair and the groundswell of support for the memos, they have to realize we aren't going to just accept this crap lying down any more. We are more organized than ever and they know it. Keep the faith.

[rodeodance]

4. gregory in for Tweety--DSM after this bolton thing.

[Mark Williams]

6. Video Soon

I will post the video of Sen. Boxer's appearance over at DEMbloggers.com

[Spazito]

112. Thanks, Mark!

I don't have MSNBC so this is invaluable! Your site is awesome!

[Guaranteed]

7. With David Gregory- a real journalist!

WHOOHOO! :)

[Guaranteed]

16. Gregory is awesome...questioning the Republicans!

Whoda thunk it?

[Glenda]

23. Can we keep Gregory instead of Tweety? n/t

[Guaranteed]

30. Write them an email!

I totally agree.

[Glenda]

110. I just did

:woohoo:

[suziedemocrat]

41. Wouldn't it be great if they replaced Tweety with Gregory!! eom

[fooj]

10. I don't know about you guys, but I'd like to slap that smirk

right off his ugly mug! Allen is such an idiot!

[Guaranteed]

13. Boxer's doing great, though.

Smacking Allen down good.

[fooj]

14. My God, I'm so proud Boxer is my senator!

She rocks!

peace.

[smartvoter]

33. She's awesome. nt

[Horse with no Name]

11. I SO hate George Allen

I wish he could have the pleasure of a WMD up his ass.

[fooj]

15. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

:rofl:

[Catchawave]

17. I think Gregory is doing great.....

...rolled his eyes on Allen's like a quarterback comment....LOL

[fooj]

18. "Does he consider him a diversion?" Woo hoo!

David Gregory is doing a good job. Yes!!!

[smartvoter]

21. That was a real gem. nt

[me b zola]

19. So far...Gregory gets an A+

:)

[Guaranteed]

24. For sure...with the DSM coming up!

Real journalism in America. Wow! :)

[smartvoter]

20. Boxer is demolishing Allen. nt

[Horse with no Name]

22. I DO Love that David Gregory had a true blue Dem

Barbara Boxer to speak for us, instead of one of the JoeBlow-hards.

[rodeodance]

25. allen certainly in a tizzy--te he.

[rodeodance]

27. Allen-the march to freedom--

[me b zola]

44. me too

:loveya:

[Pirate Smile]

26. Allen is a f@#k face! His stupid ass football phrases he inserts into

every conversation are pathetic.

[smartvoter]

28. He looked bad. Boxer won on offense and defense... nt

[rodeodance]

29. he came acrossly poorly cause he was so predictable--all the talking

points

[rodeodance]

34. allen did not know why vote when called when Repug members were

missing--did you hear Gregory ask him why the vote was taken today.

[rodeodance]

35. enough of Bolton--time to get to the dsm!!!!!

[babylonsister]

36. I'm anxious to see who his guests are for DSM. nt

[fooj]

40. The reporter who broke the story!

:woohoo:

[Guaranteed]

69. This is unbelievable. We've got em.

They're dead.

[rodeodance]

37. saying Bush says everyday he thinks of Irag and what is happening

there. umm.... Good--think about it--

[LightningFlash]

142. MSNBC is actually doing some very good field reporting...

This must be watched for anyone able to tune in, or care to tune in anyway.

[smartvoter]

32. What a difference not having Tweety makes. This is worth watching. nt

[fooj]

39. I think we should flood the execs at MSNBC with mail suggesting a new host

HARDBALL with David Gregory has a nice ring to it!


peace.

[smartvoter]

45. Agreed. nt

[rodeodance]

43. tweety had a whole week of self-congratulations for his anniversery-gues

he needed a few days off.

[rodeodance]

46. asks--what exactly is in the memos (vs-is it old news or a smokin gun).

[rodeodance]

47. --little discussion in memo of the aftereffects of the invasion.

[rodeodance]

48. 5 days before election the minutes were leaked-but Tony won.

[rodeodance]

50. Paul O'Neil-said the same as did Rich Clark and Woodward. 3 books

yup--we did hear all this before.

[rodeodance]

51. Did the US use the UN as cover for the war--Shuster said that.

[rodeodance]

52. M. Smith-photocopied the 6 docs he got, then sent back the originals,

photocopies stayed at Telegraph where he worked at that time. then lawyes/secretary typed up the text. Then they shredded the photocopies to protect the sources on the night they went to press.

[Guaranteed]

57. THAT'S what he said? FOR SURE?? nt

[rodeodance]

109. you betcha--it is also up on raw story a few days back.

[Guaranteed]

133. Then they're done. nt

[me b zola]

38. Great tease to comercial...

"Did US & GB manipulate intelligence to get us to Iraq, The reporter who broke the story in the UK coming up next"!!!!

:)

[fooj]

42. Recommend! I'm liking this thread!

:hi:

[fooj]

49. I can't wait to hear from Smith!

:smoke:

[rodeodance]

53. Smith says to read the Briefing paper that is up on the Sun.times website.

[rodeodance]

54. "it is necessary to create the conditions"-for the war.

[rodeodance]

56. He seemed very knowledgable and credible to me.-articulate

[smartvoter]

58. April '02 Meeting at Crawford: PM Agrees to Back Military Regime Change.nt

[me b zola]

67. Agreed on illegal military regime change

:)

[smartvoter]

71. Yep. nt

[icehenge]

70. Cabinet Office paper: Conditions for military action

This looks like it
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-524-1648758,00.html

[Glenda]

60. can we find a link for that? n/t

[smartvoter]

55. Smith was great. Spelled it out in no uncertain terms. nt

[rodeodance]

59. David Kay coming up---along with James Woosey-Frm CIA Direc.

[rodeodance]

64. well folks--Gregory calls the docs Memos. I like docs better.

[rodeodance]

66. good discussion on fact that docs are NOT disputed by Blair--

[Catchawave]

61. He was great.....

...I believe :)

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

62. Smith was fantastic! He left no wiggle room at all! n/t

[fooj]

No wiggle room, whatsoever!!

WooHoo!!! Who needs Matthews? I'm liking Gregory as the host!

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

peace.

[dogday]

63. It was agreed they would go to war because of Regime change

but they knew it was illegal so they fixed the facts to say Iraq had WMD and were aiming at us. Boy did they fix the facts....

[rodeodance]

68. yup--that is what he said. -GOT THAT BUSH!!!

[rodeodance]

73. Greg. asks -does the memo right true to you?--yes but.....discussing

what 'fixing' means. He debates what it could mean.
Does it mean British?--cooking the books? Kay seems unsure.

[Lecky]

72. n/t

[rodeodance]

74. woosley says people should lay off of the 'fixing the books' thing.

[rodeodance]

78. Greg. asks if there was a lower burden of proof after 9/11 --proving that

SH had wmd.

[rodeodance]

79. kay repeating the 9/11 commission that intell was bad.

[rodeodance]

81. Was the case made to take out SH before the ??-what was the second

part. It is question coming up.

[smartvoter]

80. As if there is an alternate meaning. Ridiculous.

[rodeodance]

85. even Kay was whishy washy about the term 'fixed"!!!!!!!!!

[smartvoter]

87. I know. nt

[fooj]

75. STFU, Woolsey! What else would we expect a PNACer to say?

:grr:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

76. Woolsey is a colaborator. n/t

[dogday]

77. All Aboard To the Far Right, this means you Woolsey

he is partisan talking only....

[fooj]

88. I'm going to fire off an e-mail thanking Gregory for his professionalism!

At least SOMEBODY out there is adhering to the SPJ Code of Ethics! Check out their website if you get a chance! I've printed the actual document so that I can reference it when I need to question the other "shrill" journalists!

peace.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

82. They are trying to put it on Tenet again, which is total BS. He was

being a "good soldier".

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

83. Also, Gregory unfortunately moved them away from the content of

the DSM and accompanying papers.

[rodeodance]

89. that is ok--we need to put them in context.

[dogday]

84. Ask about all the Visits Cheney Made To the CIA

Was it unheard of? No it was not unheard of, it was unprecidented...

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

86. Fat chance that would be asked. This is still MSM. n/t

[rodeodance]

90. both saying that Brits worried by post war effects (as WH not).

[dogday]

92. So 9-11 gives us carte blanche to invade any country we want?

[rodeodance]

113. recall rummy saying--we see Iraq in a new light post 9/11 (paraphase).

[rodeodance]

93. Greg.--wasn't the point is--bush made the decision to go to war early-

then when 9/11 came along--we had the chance to do so (yes Gregory-that is a good question).

[rodeodance]

98. Kay--memos are a tempest in the teapot--I am disappointed in Kay

tonight!!!!!--Bet Gregory is also!!

[oasis]

103. Gregory's not letting Woolsey change the thrust of the memo. Good job.

Woolsey is trying his best to diminish the importance of the document.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

94. Tempest in a tea pot my a$$!!!!! n/t

[me b zola]

91. Woolsy, YOU SUCK

Your argument is lame, week, and it is 'f'ing transparent.

[smartvoter]

95. His comment about war timing basically admits they were going. nt

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

97. So does Kay. Tn/t

[fooj]

96. BULLSHIT! Iraq has NOTHING TO DO WITH 9-11!

:banghead:

[smartvoter]

99. This is correct. nt

[rodeodance]

102. well, if Gregory thought kay would balance Whoosley--he was mistaken.

[Lecky]

100. Both of these guys suck

...that left me feeling rather cold.

[fooj]

101. THE RAPE ROOMS STILL CONTINUE!

Ugh!!! BTW- if it's no BIG deal, then why didn't Shrub answer the questions on the letter hand delivered by Conyers?

[dogday]

104. and the Iraqi deaths as well

[fooj]

108. These bastards who are undermining the interests of the American People

should be held accountable for their role in stonewalling and covering-up the TRUTH! The administration's criminal conduct is obvious. The evidence is stark. The evidence is plain and simple! This is just BULLSHIT!

peace.

[rodeodance]

105. I think Gregory was asking good questions--Kay leaning Right and

Woolsley ON the right. drats.

[rodeodance]

107. ol's Woosly had to get that talking point didn't he!!!!!!!

[me b zola]

119. And we're about to get video/pics of some of those rapes

:grr:

[smartvoter]

106. What was lost in this, which Gregory tried to get at, was that Bush & Co.

were planning to go long before they went to Congress for approval.

Overall it was a good show, but this needed to be spelled out in simple-stupid detail.

[fooj]

111. Agreed. Gotta hand it to Gregory for doing his job! Kudos!

:patriot:

[smartvoter]

114. He was great. nt

[rodeodance]

116. now Keith Olberman covering this.

[rodeodance]

118. --dsm show that the case was made to go to war before the case was

made. on really a smoking gun if you see smoking gun as they lied.
bushco was cheerypicking.

[rodeodance]

120. assume docs are authentic.

[rodeodance]

121. Good--he go Condi in on the preinvasion talk!!

[rodeodance]

122. move to AP=assures international coverage. Musing as to why the

memos are leaking. Interviewing Newsweek.

[dogday]

124. I like to call her Condiliesalot.....

[fooj]

136. If I can stomach it, I'll watch her while she's talking and she lies

smoother that anyone I've ever seen! The "BUSHIT" just rolls right off of her tongue.

[dogday]

123. The Whole Time The Administration Was Saying No Plans For War

The DSM were telling a different story... Need to go back and match these timelines up and find public statements by this administration...

[smartvoter]

126. That would be a powerful doc to blast... nt

[babylonsister]

130. In Schuster's preview, O'Neil and his book were mentioned

where at the first cabinet meeting the blivet brought up going after Saddam, in early 2001, prior to 9/11. So the intent was there and this admin just kept following that intent through. Yet this fact wasn't mentioned at all. Damn. But I'm happy this got out there to this extent!

[dalloway]

132. I agree. And, indeed, that is the impeachable offence--

withholding intelligence or lying to Congress, as * damn well did when he submitted the letter 48 hours after the invasion began--he lied about our reasons for going to war and withheld any evidence that did NOT support Iraq being a threat to our security.

THAT's the issue. It's the legality, folks.

[smartvoter]

115. Countdown covering DSM now. nt

[smartvoter]

117. Reporting the memos show there was a decision was set. nt

[rodeodance]

125. time for all of us to send emails to Gregory and Olbermann to say thanks

[babsbunny]

127. just go to www.msnbc.com?

[smartvoter]

129. [email protected] nt

[oxbow]

131. also BCC to [email protected]

the people at the hardball email address might not pass the word to their bosses.

[rodeodance]

134. Thanks for the eamil addresses

[halobeam]

128. And time to do tell them to keep it up.

And time to email MSNBC to rid us of Tweety already, and keep Gregory. Promise increase in viewership if they stick to asking the REAL hardball questions as Gregory did tonight.

[rodeodance]

135. i told them at i was happy Tweety was gone--as Gregory is much more

objective.

[oxbow]

139. I told em matthews is not a real reporter

if they keep gregory, i'm a daily viewer guaranteed