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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 07:22 AM
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Bev Harris' Fundraising Investigated --
Found on Yahoo's Diebold Message Board:

"By Ms. Harris' own admission, Black Box Voting appears to have been intimately involved in the initial setup of the Help America Recount organization as an alternate means of soliciting funds for the express purpose of conducting activities outside of the ones allowed to her BBV organization by the IRS."

Also:

"There are reports that Black Box Voting has raised anywhere from $300,000 to upwards of $1 million to date. Bev Harris has never provided an accounting of the money, although it is our intent to file a public records request with BBV pursuant to IRS requirements for financial disclosure by non-profit organizations and we will make the information available to the public in a later investigation."

And:

"What exactly is the nature of the relationship between Black Box Voting, Help America Recount, and Audit the Vote? How did Lowell Finley, who has represented both Bev Harris and Black Box Voting in the past, come to be the primary recipient and administrator of funds raised for Help America Recount? What was Bev Harris' specific role in the creation and operation of Help America Recount? <...> Bev Harris raised a significant amount of money for the stated purpose of filing upwards of 3000 Freedom of Information Act requests and performing audits of election data. In the seven months since the election, however, Black Box Voting has posted almost nothing in the way of any documents obtained -- not even so much as a list of what was obtained -- and has produced no actual election audits whatsoever. Lowell Finley and Joan Krawitz, possibly with Ms. Harris' help, raised at least $115,000 for the specific purpose of recounts in Florida and Ohio which they never even undertook, electing instead to spend the money on a recount in New Mexico that never actually took place. <...> What ever happened to the $114,400 deposit for the non-recount in New Mexico, and most importantly, who has it now?"

http://blackboxwatchdog.com/node/4



More here:
http://finance.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FN&action=m&board=4687614&tid=dbd&sid=4687614&mid=9797
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 07:31 AM
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1. produced no actual election audits whatsoever
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 07:31 AM
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2. well, well, well..
The last few lines regarding her previous experience in the field of were quite enlightening.
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:38 AM
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7. but notice... no name is involved in the watchdog website
the "about us" has no details, no names and no contact info either.

Wouldnt be surprised if the RW is digging dirt on Bev Harris...

The owner of the watchdog site according to whois:

Jean-Claude Van Camme

Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: BLACKBOXWATCHDOG.COM

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.SYNERGYDESIGNS.NET
NS2.SYNERGYDESIGNS.NET

and Godaddy.com is nameless according to whois

Go Daddy Software, Inc.

Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: GODADDY.COM

Domain servers in listed order:
CNS1.SECURESERVER.NET
CNS2.SECURESERVER.NET

For complete domain details go to:
http://whois.godaddy.com

goto whois.godaddy.com and you will see this email if you type in godaddy.com

Dear Customer,

Please key in the access code you see displayed to the right in order to obtain the information you requested from our WHOIS database.

In order to protect the privacy of our customers, GoDaddy.com has implemented a process that prevents unscrupulous spammers from running scripts that acquire email addresses from our WHOIS service (which in accordance with ICANN policy must be made available to the public). The access code you see is provided in graphic format and cannot be read by a script. Only humans can read it. By taking a moment to key in the access code you are doing your part to eliminate SPAM.

If you are sight impaired and would like help using this page please call (480) 505-8899.

Thank you,
Bob Parsons, President
GoDaddy.com


Registrant:
Go Daddy Software, Inc.

14455 N. Hayden Road
Suite 226
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: GODADDY.COM
Created on: 02-Mar-99
Expires on: 02-Mar-12
Last Updated on: 12-Oct-04

Administrative Contact:
Software, Inc., Go Daddy [email protected]
14455 N. Hayden Road
Suite 226
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
4805058800
Technical Contact:
Software, Inc., Go Daddy [email protected]
14455 N. Hayden Road
Suite 226
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
4805058800

Domain servers in listed order:
CNS1.SECURESERVER.NET
CNS2.SECURESERVER.NET

Go Daddy Software, Inc.

Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: JOMAX.NET

Domain servers in listed order:
CNS1.SECURESERVER.NET
CNS2.SECURESERVER.NET

For complete domain details go to:
http://whois.godaddy.com

This is weird, circular references.

I am neutral on Bev... but agree that there are some very disturbing things going on with her. On the other hand, these folks arent on the up and up either. If you are genuine, you'd have a humanoid. on some of these sites.

Oh, dear Bob get's more interesting the more you look at him. He's the guy who did the SuperBowl ad with Paris Hilton. And there are complaints that he charges $75 to respond to a subpoena and notifies the target of the complaint of the subpoena before giving an answer.

Additionally, His blog is very pro-military. I wonder if there is a campaign to throw disinformation in the Black Box ranks. Search out our weakest links, and publicize them in order to discredit everything people are doing.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:50 AM
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13. I AGREE. THIS IS A DIRTY TRICK!!!!
i am ardently against bev, for the very reason that people like bev leave us open to this very kind of discrediting. she tarnishes the whole issue.
but without a doubt, this is phony outrage. a phony group, designed to tar the issue. can we not take the bait for a change?
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:54 AM
Response to Reply #7
14. Bob Parsons gets more interesting...
Republican donator to two campaigns:

John Shimkus
Conrad Burns (Republican Deputy Whip)...

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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 09:10 AM
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16. Jean-Claude Van Camme is also real interesting...
a thread from "SunnySlut"

" Not sure if everyone remembers www.camlives.com but it was another "gossip" site basically started to piss off DrT/Jimmy and WebPig. There was tons of speculation as to who "JC VanCamme" really was, but to my knowledge it was never revealed.

WebPig cornered them by claiming that it was really him behind the site, which Jimmy has verified wasn't true and it was all a ploy to get the person behind Cam Lives to reveal themselves in protest.

To this day, no one knows who was behind the site and I would LOVE to unveil who it was in the book and settle it once and for all in the chapter on gossip sites.

If anyone knows who was really behind the site but has been silent until now, I would appreciate it if someone filled me in or got the person behind it to fill me in themselves. Of course, I'll need proof if JC reveals him or herself but I figure an e-mail from the [email protected] address stating the truth would suffice."

"whois.networksolutions.com says:

Jean-Claude Van Camme
77 E Main St
Tucker, Georgia 30085
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: CAMLIVES.COM
Created on: 17-Feb-02
Expires on: 17-Feb-04
Last Updated on: 15-Mar-02

Administrative Contact:
Van Camme, Jean-Claude [email protected]
77 E Main St
Tucker, Georgia 30085
United States
(917) 210-6543 Fax -- "


This is also weird... His contact address is hotmail and the phone number exchange is a New York City exchange Number not a Georgia phone number. This is a fraud -- there is no 77 E. Main St listed in Mapquest.

Camlives is about the cam girls -- they ran masturbation for charity. Oh God, the whole thing is smelling like another Gannon/Guckert. Let's use a slut/pornographer for our political dirty tricks.
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NC Beach Girl Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 01:24 PM
Response to Reply #7
50. ok but....
go daddy is just a cheap registrar...I am not sure if you should be reading that they are involved in anything just because it was registered through them. I have used them (godaddy.com) to register several sites myself, they are the cheapest around. :)
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #50
55. they are very big ..
they are on Inc's 500 Fastest Growing Companies or something like that.
But read on and look at their pedigree and the "privacy" issue that Bob Parsons is pushing.
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NC Beach Girl Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #55
62. ok?
Yes, I see that...but I don't think it has anything to do with the OP and probably doesn't have anything to do with that site in general. Just my opinion, of course...but it's based on my own personal use of go daddy to register sites because it was the cheapest option when I was looking for a registrar and I know tons of people do the same. I am a bargain shopper! :)
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #62
64. what is the name of your web site?
I am trying to find normal web sites that may be hosted by godaddy. They must be there somewhere... all I am finding are the porn sites, and the RW Christian sites.

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NC Beach Girl Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #64
65. interesting
I really think you are wrong and making a real leap to conclusions about one of the largest registrars out there (if not the largest) but whatever.... go daddy is the registrar I have used, not my host. A host is an entirely different thing, although some hosts do offer registrations of domains (generally at an inflated rate).

I'm not really comfortable giving out my personal sites here (because my sites involve my name and family that I'd rather not be seen by trolls and freepers) but in this same thread another DUer has stated they also use godaddy and their site (in their sig line) is nobullshirt.com which again was REGISTERED by godaddy and is certainly not a porn, rightwing or christian site.

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NC Beach Girl Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 07:02 PM
Response to Reply #64
68. just randomly checking sites
http://betterwhois.com/bwhois.cgi?domain=uscountvotes.org

uscountvotes.org is registered by godaddy

definitely not a RW site
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NC Beach Girl Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #64
69. and another
votersunite.org was registered using godaddy (John Gideon of DU is a part of this one)



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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 10:02 PM
Response to Reply #69
77. how did you find some of these?
I tried googling around godaddy.com but kept coming up with the odd sites.
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NC Beach Girl Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 12:21 AM
Response to Reply #77
78. easy
I just went to betterwhois.com and entered in some random sites in the whois lookup. 2 out of the 5 Democratic or non-partisan sites concerned with voting reform that I entered turned out to be registered by godaddy. I think many newer sites use godaddy so you have better luck checking those.

It is trial and error, there is no way that I know of to pull up a list of the millions of sites registered by them. :)
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mirrera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 03:13 PM
Response to Reply #7
59. GoDaddy is cheap.
I have all my web sites and some clients registered with them because they are cheap. I would highly reccomend them. I also think it very convenient that people that are onto Diebold tend to go down in flames of "funding irregularities", like the Sec. of State in CA. Take everything with a grain of salt. All the truths about Black Box Voting are still true regardless of personalities. The memo in Rather's case may have been iffy but Bush was
still AWOL.


www.nobullshirt.com
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #59
63. what are the name of your web sites
I have been tooling around trying to get a handle on godaddy and all I am finding initially are weird porn sites or Christian sites.

Do you have any normal examples? I am trying to find normal sites hosted by GoDaddy.
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NC Beach Girl Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 06:55 PM
Response to Reply #63
66. see his sig line
I referenced this in my post as well.
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mirrera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #63
75. Here is a list
I have my sites registered with GoDaddy at something like 8.95 a year as opposed to $30 at Register.com
I host the actual sites with a Canadian firm Netfirms.com at about 59.00 a year


http;//dmclean.com
http://Mariasart.com
http://straightfromtheart.com
http://MaineCoastDigs.com
http://IrreraStudioArts.com
http://ISAinMaine.com
http://ISAMaine.com
http://MaineWaterfrontVacation.com
http://DancingGifts.com
http://NoBullshiRt.com
http://NickNameForRichard.com

I have a few more that are just registered no site yet...
Anyway, no porn or anything wierd, just a cheap registrar...I hope!


www.nobullshirt.com
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 10:00 PM
Response to Reply #75
76. thanks for the links...
sometimes if you started looking in a certain way without double checking, you end up forcing correlations that may or may not hold and I just wanted to double check things before I jump to conclusions.



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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:21 PM
Response to Reply #7
73. It might be a good idea to go back and read Bob Parsons' blog
The person who registered the above address must have selected private registration. I believe that private registrations are registered with godaddy's contact address. I am a very satisfied customer of Go Daddy, and possess three different websites registered with private registration. There is nothing mysterious and/or "dirty tricks" about it. I don't prefer to have my home address on the web.

>Oh, dear Bob get's more interesting the more you look at him. He's the guy who did the SuperBowl ad with Paris Hilton.<

Bob did not do a Super Bowl ad with Paris Hilton. Again, the woman in the ad was not Paris Hilton. This can be verified by visiting godaddy.com.

>Additionally, His blog is very pro-military.

Bob Parsons is a Vietnam vet and very pro-troop. If he is a Republican, I would classify him as more of a moderate after reading his blog.

>I wonder if there is a campaign to throw disinformation in the Black Box ranks. Search out our weakest links, and publicize them in order to discredit everything people are doing.<

I'm not even going to address this.

Julie

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corker Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 07:35 AM
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3. I want my money back!!!
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:03 AM
Response to Reply #3
6. Me Three! N/T
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 07:42 AM
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4. Well, this is why I have been very, very hesitant to give money anymore.
I'm writing off the money I gave her as a useless waste. Too bad.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 07:58 AM
Response to Reply #4
5. Not A "Useless" Waste. Bev Did One Good Thing. Helped Raise Awareness.
And since she's since discredited herself so totally, she really can't besmirch the Cause any more.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:17 PM
Response to Reply #5
72. Cold comfort for her victims
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:40 AM
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8. Interestign that the BlackBox watchog link showed up
on the Yahoo Diebold thread.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:46 AM
Response to Reply #8
10. Yeah, we need to track down who they are
Georgia address with a New York area code in the phone number.

New York (3) :

Area code 917 is predominantly cellulars and pagers in New York City. Some regular lines in Manhattan have recently been assigned the 917 area code.
http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Marina/9505/areacode.html

Registrant:
Jean-Claude Van Camme
77 E Main St
Tucker, Georgia 30085
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: BLACKBOXWATCHDOG.COM
Created on: 27-May-05
Expires on: 27-May-07
Last Updated on: 27-May-05

Administrative Contact:
Van Camme, Jean-Claude [email protected]
77 E Main St
Tucker, Georgia 30085
United States
(917) 210-6543
Technical Contact:
Van Camme, Jean-Claude [email protected]
77 E Main St
Tucker, Georgia 30085
United States
(917) 210-6543

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.SYNERGYDESIGNS.NET
NS2.SYNERGYDESIGNS.NET

Anyone in Georgia who can check out this address?
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:49 AM
Response to Reply #10
12. Googling "Jean-Claude Van Camme" yields:
Edited on Tue Jun-07-05 08:51 AM by Roland99
http://www.sunnyslut.com/forum/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=198

Not sure if everyone remembers www.camlives.com but it was another "gossip" site basically started to piss off DrT/Jimmy and WebPig. There was tons of speculation as to who "JC VanCamme" really was, but to my knowledge it was never revealed.

WebPig cornered them by claiming that it was really him behind the site, which Jimmy has verified wasn't true and it was all a ploy to get the person behind Cam Lives to reveal themselves in protest.

To this day, no one knows who was behind the site and I would LOVE to unveil who it was in the book and settle it once and for all in the chapter on gossip sites.

If anyone knows who was really behind the site but has been silent until now, I would appreciate it if someone filled me in or got the person behind it to fill me in themselves. Of course, I'll need proof if JC reveals him or herself but I figure an e-mail from the <email> address stating the truth would suffice.


And this:
http://camlives.com/comments.php?op=commentShow&tid=1140&sid=22&pid=1138&mode=thread&order=0&thold=
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 09:11 AM
Response to Reply #12
17. you guys are too fast for me...
I duplicated the info below by accident. :)
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 09:13 AM
Response to Reply #17
18. Camlives "Masturbate-A-Thon"

After much slowness on my part, we've finally got around to launching our big "masturbation for charity" contest, just in the nick of time. Read on to meet the contestants and find out how to donate to this excellent cause!
So I finally worked out the mechanics of the big contest y'all, and here's a quick update to tell you how it works.



In case you missed the original announcement and call for contestants, you can read it here. So far we've got four camgirls who expressed an interest in competing. I'll give you a quick little blurb about each below... be sure to check out all of their sites when you're deciding who to sponsor:








Ellen Ellen, from sleepingpills.org. Ellen signed up with 10 minutes of when I posted the original story, and already has a link up on her site. Eye of the tiger, baby!
Kicki Kicki, from lovemeasiam.com. Kicki was eager to help out for a worthwhile cause,vowing even to take special steps to "hide this from her mom", who apparently visits her site. Aww!
Dawn Marie Dawn Marie, from dawnmarie.org. Dawn Marie is the essence of cool... she's one of my own personal favorite camgirls, and as the "veteran" of the group you can be certain her experience will make her a real threat in the heat of competition.
Crystal Crystal, from godshit.com. Crystal joined the competition late, but vowed to compete twice as hard to make up for it. That's competitive spirit at its best!
http://camlives.com/story.php?sid=13&mode=thread&order=0
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 09:21 AM
Response to Reply #12
19. Is JC Really WebPig? Sweet Jesus, I Sent Him My Nudes!
Is JC Really WebPig? Sweet Jesus, I Sent Him My Nudes!
posted by jeanie on Monday, June 17 @ 16:03:40 CDT

Like everyone else, I was shocked when someone told me that WebPig had posted a story on internetgossip.net, in which he claimed to be JC. I mean I know he lied about being fired, and about going to Florida to stalk Samn, and about not living in New Jersey with his mom. But this time it MUST be true. Right? RIGHT?? Words can't express the hell I'm in right now. How could I be fooled so easily?

from the same site.
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 09:27 AM
Response to Reply #19
20. JC -- no such town in New Jersey known as Vincentown read more from CamLiv
When I retired my cam site a few years ago, I attempted to write for every E/N site and Zine that I could find. Of course, no one would accept anything I wrote because I am a) female and b) a terrible writer. The more I read, the more I realized I was a better writer than most people out there, whilst still being terrible. This only fueled my desire to get something posted. The years of constant rejection made me desperate. So, when CamLives sent out their introductory email a friend passed it on to me and suggested I try to get a spot on the staff. I jumped at the opportunity and immediately began harassing JC. Obviously he needed some help, but was hesitant to include someone he didn't know. After days of begging with no results, I decided to whip out the big guns. Literally. I fired up the web cam, took several revealing pictures, and mailed them to JC. Finally, I got his attention. My writing abilities were no long sub-par in his eyes. I was going to be the token chick on the staff! My dream had come true. However, this dream came with some conditions.

Like most of you, I was ashamed to NetMeet with WebPig.
Condition number one was a little NetMeeting time. I should have known then, when I think about it. I only saw JC from the chest down. Now that I think about it, the background was VERY familiar. If you catch my drift. ynneJ. As you can see from the screen capture I've included here, these NetMeeting sessions left me deeply ashamed, something I'm still dealing with today. I wrote my one and only article for CamLives and shortly lost all contact with JC.

Condition number two was that we would have dinner one night. However I live in Iowa and JC lives in Vincentown, New Jersey.



This morning the same friend that mentioned the debut of CamLives to me was kind enough to point out a new article on Internet Gossip. It states that JC is WebPig. WebPig! I sent my nudes to WebPig? What have I done? I assume that in the very near future you will see Jeanie nudes on IG or CamGirlsGoneWild. This explains so much.. like why I was not given a real email address @camlives, why JC and WebPig had the same AIM icon one-day, and why JC dropped off the face of the earth the same day DrT stopped visiting.

I guess it's true. Everyone on the net is fake.

This must be Karma kicking me in the ass for calling so many cam girls stupid for sending out nudes. I took a shot and I got screwed. This is it! I am leaving the net forever, seriously.

http://camlives.com/story.php?sid=22&mode=thread&order=0
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 09:38 AM
Response to Reply #20
24. What's that about no Vincentown NJ??
I used to get my mail from Vincentown PO, although it was about 5 miles away from where I lived. My brother lived in Vincentown for a few years, too. I KNOW it's there. ;-)
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 09:53 AM
Response to Reply #24
25. I tried mapquesting it....
couldnt get a place... let me double check it.
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 09:55 AM
Response to Reply #25
26. You're right... it does exist...
it's between Trenton and Haddonfield/Marlton NJ.


But not too far from NYC to get a NY cell phone or pager number.
My bad...Let me double check Tucker GA
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 10:16 AM
Response to Reply #26
27. Tucker Ga address is fictitious according to mapquest.
eom
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tenshi816 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 10:51 AM
Response to Reply #10
31. The zip code is wrong, for one thing.
Edited on Tue Jun-07-05 10:53 AM by tenshi816
The zip code for Tucker, GA is 30084, not 30085.

I have Canadian friends who lived in Tucker for several years (in the Sunrise subdivision, for you Atlanta area DUers who know that area), plus my mother's best friend lived in Tucker. The area is part of the Atlanta suburban sprawl, in DeKalb County. Used to be heavily residential, with some areas now zoned commercial as well. A lot of traffic, but then that's everywhere around Atlanta.

Not much help, I guess, but a wrong zip code plus a mis-matched area code plus a name like Jean-Claude van Camme just sounds dodgy to me. I mean, c'mon, Jean-Claude van Camme? Sounds like a certain 3rd rate action hero actor.



Edited to say that I'm pissed off at myself for donating money to BBV last year.
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 11:11 AM
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33. could you check to see if mapquest isnt quite up-to-date
Edited on Tue Jun-07-05 11:11 AM by cap
this can happen with rapidly growing sprawl. People who live in the area would know.

Occasionally I see Mapquest in error. So let's check it out.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 11:45 AM
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36. 30084 AND 30085 are Tucker, GA
Results: 1 listing matching "30085"
City County Time Zone
Tucker, GA Dekalb Eastern Daylight Time

Results: 1 listing matching "30084"
City County Time Zone
Tucker, GA Dekalb Eastern Daylight Time

http://whitepages.com/10001/search/Reverse_Zip

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tenshi816 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 11:56 AM
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37. Ah, OK - sorry, I'm not in the US anymore
and didn't know about that "reverse zip" thing you did. Very useful!

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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 12:51 PM
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44. Tenshi, can you ask some friends about the address...
It seems funny. The addresses in Mapquest are large numbers. Usually when there's a low number with an East/West Main St., it would be a major intersection. Mapquest gives only Main St without any East/West indicators. A Low number Main Street address would be an old address because usually a town branches out from its core.
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tenshi816 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 03:16 PM
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60. This is the thing I don't know that much about anymore,
and my Canadian friends have moved back to Toronto and are renting out their house in Tucker. I'll certainly get in touch and ask them if you want me to.

Actually, I remember Main Street in Tucker from when I was young because even though it was being swallowed up by the suburbs (we're talking late 60s here), Main Street was like any other small town main street (other than being so close to Atlanta) on its own before it became part of just another Metro Atlanta commuter suburb. I remember being part of a Christmas parade that went up the "old" Main Street in Tucker when I was in high school, but we'll just stop that anecdote right...here.

Here's where it could get complicated with addresses, though. One thing you should know about the Atlanta area (and this includes the other counties in the metro area) is that a huge number of the main roads were originally indian trails and as a result tend to snake around all over the place, even today, and you can see this on the map. Thus, even while the towns will, as you say, branch out from the core, it doesn't necessarily mean they will do it in any logical order - this illogic might follow through on the street numbering. Georgia towns are famous for this.

I'm not sure if the high (4-digit) street numbers are significant of anything, because that's a common feature of addresses in that area and I'm not sure being close to Main Street has anything to do with it. Maybe some other Atlanta area DUers can help out here (RubyDubyinGA, where are you?).

Something that might be helpful is that Hwy. 29, which you can see on the map crossing Main Street, runs from SW to NE, heading first through a light industrial area and then towards more suburbia in Gwinnett County (hey! - home of the Runaway Bride!), Athens, and, eventually, right past my dad's house and points further northeast. The trouble is, the map makes Main Street look as if it runs north-south, so I have no idea what is supposed to constitute East Main Street, or if there even is a part of it called East Main Street.

I was born and raised in the Atlanta metro area and didn't used to have any problem with the crazy roads because it was all I knew, but now when I go back after being away for so many years (and with the 5-county metropolitan Atlanta area - including Tucker - having exploded in population and development since I left), I find it a maddening place to get around. I don't see how people moving into the Atlanta area for the first time cope with it at all.

Anyway, I'm sorry I'm not being more immediately helpful but as I said, I will certainly ask my friends who have much more recent experience with the Tucker area.

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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:42 AM
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9. This is why I generally only donate to the upkeep of a web site
like the DU fund drives. I know my money is being used to keep DU existing.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:47 AM
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11. This wouldn't be a smear attempt now, would it?
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 09:00 AM
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15. Someone needs to forward this to
Randi Rhodes at Air America Radio as she gave Harris a major ass whipping the last time she was on her show over fund raising, etc..
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 09:32 AM
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 09:34 AM
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22. Curious... a person called "AndyScam" is posting on this thread...
I wonder if they are the one and same andyscam.com person?
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 10:32 AM
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29. I suspect AndyScam, not Bev, is behind the "register scandy.com...
under false names" scandal.

Appears to me the CU's Melissa and AndyScam are driving that particular outrage.
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 10:37 AM
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30. This thread also gets into a smear of the efforts to raise money for Andy
starts the yip yap that Andy's surgery is fradulent --(debunked see admin notices re Johns Hopkins verification)
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 09:36 AM
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23. Well, if it's on a DIEBOLD message board, then it must be true!
Thank God that somebody's still standing up for non-verifiable fraud-o-matic machines! :sarcasm:
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 10:23 AM
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28. The plot thickens...
If this is just Diebold discrediting the movement in general, well, blah blah blah, no surprise. But BBV.org does need transparency with their budget. They are a 501(c)3 and there are rules. We certainly bust our asses to follow the rules at the nonprofit where I work. If they don't have a budget on their website for all to see, they are either incompetent or shady, IMHO.
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 11:09 AM
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32. it certainly does: Bob Parsons is behind hiding registration of web sites
including: RevoketheOscar.com which was advocating revoking Michael Moore's Oscar.

Need more evidence that right-wingers want to shut down all free speech in the U.S., except for the kind with which they agree?

It all started when I received an email from World Net Daily, one of numerous right-wing Web sites that pollute cyberspace, which I occasionally monitor when I have time - which is normally between 2 and 3 a.m. The email detailed a campaign to revoke Michael Moore's Oscar on grounds that "Bowling for Columbine" was fictitious, not Bush, as Moore said in his Academy Awards speech.

So that got me to write a letter to the Academy Awards - you can do so at Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences Academy Foundation, 8949 Wilshire Boulevard, Beverly Hills, CA 90211-1972, [email protected] or 310-859-9351. I urged them not to revoke Moore's Oscar and threw in some choice comments about many conservatives' hateful nature. I made a few wild accusations, just to put that tactic back in their faces and maybe get some right-wingers to further prove my point that the hypocrites can dish it out but can’t take it.

Sure enough, they took the bait. Liberal Slant, one of several excellent sites I have contributed to for numerous months, was among those that printed my letter at http://www.liberalslant.com/jt042603.htm. I then learned that Liberal Slant received the following correspondence from "Jim K.," apparent Webmaster of a site set up to instruct right-wing followers exactly how to write a letter to the Academy:

"This is absolutely disgusting - Liberal Slant Article. I expect this to be removed from your website immediately, or you will be hearing from our attorney. We have never, and would never, advocate the murder of a child due to someone's political beliefs. This is in fact libelous, and you should know better than to publish crap like this. Jackson used the phrase 'hateful, venomous propaganda.' This repugnant article is nothing but hateful, venomous propaganda. If Jackson Thoreau really wanted to be a journalist, he could have contacted me personally and asked me who we are and what we stand for.
Jim K.
Webmaster,
RevokeTheOscar.Com

http://www.rushlimbaughonline.com/articles/jacksonthor4.htm

There seems to be sex and conservative domains.

He owns other domains.

Another venture is Domains by Proxy, a private domain name registration service with patent-pending procedures that allow customers to keep their personal information out of the public database. With these multiple divisions, Go Daddy plans to keep improving current products and rolling out new ones. Parsons said “we recently upgraded our hosting and email account plans and we will be launching an ecommerce storefront building tool this fall that will make it incredibly easy for a small business to launch an online commerce site.” We also offer domain name backordering and secure online storage and we are expecting to launch approximately 11 new products in Fourth Quarter of this year.”
http://dnjournal.com/columns/cover090504.htm

His attorney regularly posts on a conservative message board
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 11:28 AM
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34. A Communications Director of Republican NY Senate campaigns
also hosts his stuff on godaddy.com


http://brain-terminal.com

Evan's introduction to conservative philosophy came from listening to talk radio, specifically New York's WABC 770AM. Shortly thereafter, his political epiphany came in junior high school when giving an oral presentation on an important topic of the day. Evan's topic was nuclear weapons, and the propaganda propagated in schools was that President Reagan was going to drive us headlong into nuclear war. Evan started to parrot that party line, but knew viscerally that our weapons protected our country and helped keep the peace. (And, in hindsight, we now know that producing these weapons enabled President Reagan to drive the Soviets--the most murderous empire ever to stain the face of the Earth--into bankruptcy.)

...
In 1989, Evan worked as a volunteer on Rudy Giuliani's first campaign for mayor of New York City. And in the mid-1990s, Evan worked as the Chief of Staff of a New York State Assembly campaign and as the Campaign Manager of two races for Civil Court Judge.

From 1994 to early 2002, most of Evan's work has been in the technology industry, where he was a software developer for various Internet start-ups...

After Evan's most recent employer went belly-up a few months after September 11th, he began working as the Communications Director of a New York State Senate race that gained nationwide attention on 60 Minutes, Nightline, Fox News, CNN and in the pages of The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, the New York Observer, the New York Sun and the Village Voice.

Following that campaign, Evan abandoned the life of an employee and has been earning a living from freelance jobs as a writer, business consultant, software developer and filmmaker. To make up for the lack of daytime social interaction that comes with working primarily from home, Evan turned Starbucks into his surrogate office.

http://brain-terminal.com/common/about-site.html
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 11:45 AM
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35. About Help America Recount
This really sucks, but I suppose it's not surprising. Help America Recount was totally unrelated to Bev Harris or Black Box Voting.

Lowell Finley is her attorney for cases involving BBV. He acted as general counsel for Help America Recount, which not only filed for a recount in NM, but spent six weeks in the state and prepared and filed 5 different lawsuits, one of which is still going forward. We also literally ran the entire recount operation in New Mexico, and had to employ several people to do so, as well as identifying and training several hundred volunteer poll watchers. The recount didn't go forward after the Supreme Court ruled that it would cost $600,000 in advance, but not for lack of a lot of incredibly hard work on the part of a lot of people, including two local attorneys. Lowell is an excellent attorney, who has an incredible amount of knowledge and passion for getting rid of the damn paperless machines. The man literally drove himself to exhaustion in New Mexico.

We wound up returning $150,000 in donations to large donors when the recounts did not go forward. Every other penny was spent in furtherance of obtaining and supporting recounts in New Mexico and Ohio.

Audit the Vote had no relationship to Bev.

Help America Recount was a 527 organization because it could affect the outcome of an election (didn't but could have). Donations to 527s aren't tax deductible.

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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 12:42 PM
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39. hedda, your organization is on the list of that "watchdog" website
Certain events may or may not have occured ... but the RW may be gearing up for an attack on you any which way it can.

Bev is the initial focus. You may come in for a "swift boat" attack too. Their technique is to find some dirt on people and use PARTIAL discrediting to COMPLETELY discredit the ENTIRE movement... ala Dan Rather Memogate.

I am finding these people do not argue on logical manner.

I find it rather interesting that porn, secrecy and political dirty tricks seem to mix with these people.
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 12:44 PM
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40. After reading the whole smear job, I posted more on that site.
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NC Beach Girl Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #40
54. Did you see this?
I just went to read what you posted (great post, by the way) and noticed there was a response to your post by the editor on that site.


http://blackboxwatchdog.com/node/4#comment-2
(you have to scroll down to the 2nd comment, I don't know how to link it directly)

Submitted by ZeroCool on Tue, 06/07/2005 - 3:05pm.
Thank you for the thoughtful clarification of some of the issues related to HARF.

A few follow-up questions, if I may:

How much money was actually raised by HARF?
Of that money, how much was spent, and on what? How much was returned to donors?
You state "This is precisely what we did and precisely where the funds went. Every penny was properly accounted for." This is indeed excellent news! Is any of that accounting available on the HARF website or elsewhere, or was any of it ever made available to the public? Will HARF make it available upon request? Has HARF filed an IRS 990 or 990-EZ form for any taxation year, and if so, will HARF provide us with a copy upon request?
Early versions of HARF's web site suggest a close link with Bev Harris and Black Box Voting, as shown in the original story. Thank you for clarifying HARF's dealings with Ms. Harris. As you know, the accounting and disclosure policies of BBV and Ms. Harris raise many, many questions on their own -- it's good to know that HARF is not tangled up in that mess.

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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 02:46 PM
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56. hedda, I'd first ask for the fellow's name and some
confirmation of his identity before I would release anything. No sense in feeding a troll. You might post a gracious "Happy to release this. But would like to know who you are first. Could you email me with a phone number that I can call you on. Please no cell phones."
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paula777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 12:24 PM
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38. I feel like I'm reading something I'm not supposed to ....
Edited on Tue Jun-07-05 12:25 PM by paula777


I kept wondering why Andy Stephenson hated Bev Harris so much. From this old thread on DU I see that they worked together at BBV. Why is he not there anymore? Why do they hate each other now. Is she really a crook and he found out or ??????



BevHarris (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-16-04 11:26 PM
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Volusia County election records just got put on lockdown

Dueling lawyers, election officials gnashing teeth, Votergate.tv film crew catching it all.


Here's what happened so far:

Friday Black Box Voting investigators Andy Stephenson and Kathleen Wynne popped in to ask for some records. They were rebuffed by an elections official named Denise. Bev Harris called on the cell phone from investigations in downstate Florida, and told Volusia County Elections Supervisor Deanie Lowe that Black Box Voting would be in to pick up our Nov. 2 Freedom of Information request, or would file for a hand recount. "No, Bev, please don't do that!" she exclaimed. But this is the way it has to be, folks. We didn't back down.

Monday Bev, Andy and Kathleen came in with a film crew and asked for the FOIA request. Deanie Lowe gave it to us with a smile, but I noticed that one item, the polling place tapes, were not copies of the real ones, but instead were new printouts, done on Nov. 15, and not signed by anyone.


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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #38
41. that story has been covered in previous threads..
search the archives.

I am really interested in the Right Wing machine behind gathering together attacks on Black Box Voting. Some of the facts they uncover may be genuine; but their motives for doing so are not.
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 12:49 PM
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42. Thank you so much, DUers, for catching this!
I can't tell you how touched and grateful I am that you guys didn't believe the smearboat crap. I owed you an explanation anyway because the issue was brought up. I hope I answered any questions youo might have had.

hugs,
hedda
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 12:55 PM
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45. GoDaddy fighting to hide domain listings in public databases
Go Daddy Promotes Privacy Fight: I have some domains hosted with GoDaddy, and I got a scathing letter from the president — a guy by the name of Bob Parsons — about a recent NTIA decision:

A February decision by the US Department of Commerce requires new registrants of .US domains to submit their phone numbers and addresses for listing in publicly searchable databases.

More on that decision.

Here's some of the letter. He went ballistic — it was way, way more impassionaed than anything expect to get from your domain registrar:

Today I have the unfortunate responsibility of informing you that there has been a decision made by bureaucrats of a Federal agency that takes away your right to privacy as guaranteed by the United States Constitution. <...>

I personally find it ironic that our right to .US privacy was stripped away, without due process <...> For the NTIA to choose the .US extension is the ultimate slap in your face.


http://www.gadgetopia.com/2005/04/01/GoDaddysBobParsonsVsNTIA.html
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 01:00 PM
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46. A website hosted by godaddy fighting for nameless domains
A website that is fighting for this -- no contact names:

http://www.americansdeserveprivacy.com/

Domain Name: AMERICANSDESERVEPRIVACY.COM
Registrar: GO DADDY SOFTWARE, INC.
Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com
Name Server: PARK5.SECURESERVER.NET
Name Server: PARK6.SECURESERVER.NET
Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
Updated Date: 06-jun-2005
Creation Date: 04-mar-2005
Expiration Date: 04-mar-2006

They are solicitying money without any ID!!! No traceability for fraud.

Gosh, this is dangerous.
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 01:12 PM
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48. Smut money: GOP/XXX.com
The GOP/XXX Nexus
While every Christian Right pressure group was howling about GoDaddy.com's "Wardrobe Malfunction" ad, many of their constituents were enjoying the fruits of GoDaddy founder Bob Parson's labor.

The man behind the most talked-about Super Bowl commercial, which features a buxom young woman whose flimsy top repeatedly comes undone while testifying before "broadcast censorship hearings," founded a software company that produced one of the most popular Bible-study programs on the market.

According to Parsons' bio on his blog, BobParsons.com, he founded Parsons Technology in the basement of his home.

Part of that market was in selling Bible software to Christians, including QuickVerse, a popular Bible-study program that was actually written by Parsons' vice president, Craig Rairdin. The product includes a Bible verse search engine, Bible commentaries, theology books, study notes, a Bible atlas, word-study guides and other resources.

Pam Sheppard, a columnist with Christianity Today, praises QuickVerse and credits Parsons.

"Thanks to the initial work of Bob Parsons and to continuing advances in technology, churches, pastors, nonprofit organizations and individuals are able to preach, teach and reach more efficiently using software products from FindEx.com," Sheppard writes.

http://maxblumenthal.blogspot.com/2005/02/gopxxx-nexus-while-every-christian.html
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #48
51. Parsons Technology AKA The Learning Company AKA
Broberbund ...

Link to parsons redirects here:
http://www.broderbund.com/
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #51
57. this domain puts out RightWing pheromones
it sure attracks the honey bees:

here's an attack on Islam:

http://islamcommentaries.com/commentary/2002/2002_1019.htm

hosted by the same GoDaddy.
that page has the petition to end service to islammemo.com

Although it is interesting that islammemo.com does not exist anymore.
Islammemo.com was hosted by GoDaddy as well.
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 03:11 PM
Response to Reply #57
58. let's include turkeyblog.com
as well... another nameless, faceless, rightwing blog.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #42
49. It seems attacks on internet fund drives are spreading like wildfire.
Edited on Tue Jun-07-05 01:26 PM by izzybeans
I noticed the name andyscam popped up here too. That schmo seems to be everywhere these days stirring up trouble.

Perhaps its not coincidental that people are attacking the integrity of some very familiar actors within the vote fraud community.

On edit: perhaps its also not coincidental that the DNC has changed fund raising strategies to rely more heavily on the internet then ever before. Someone seems to be sowing the seeds of distrust all over the web. ...I'd be looking out for these fires to spread further and hopefully someone more savvy then me is "imagining up" a solution.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 12:50 PM
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43. This much is certainly true....
Whoever the writer is, and whatever the motivation, this much is utterly true:

"Bev Harris raised a significant amount of money for the stated purpose of filing upwards of 3000 Freedom of Information Act requests and performing audits of election data. In the seven months since the election, however, Black Box Voting has posted almost nothing in the way of any documents obtained -- not even so much as a list of what was obtained -- and has produced no actual election audits whatsoever."

My queries to BBV asking where to find the FOIA document results on their website has resulted in having my email blocked.

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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 01:10 PM
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47. Posted Link To Thread In ER&D Forum DELETED
I reposted the link to this thread in ER&D Forum.
The Mod deleted it within 15 min
I don't see where I broke any rules
Have no idea why they did it
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 01:44 PM
Response to Reply #47
53. I posted it there, too, and it hasn't been deleted.
But the first thing you need to know when posting something controversial, is that you're posting something controversial.

And once you do that...well, all bets are off.
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 06:57 PM
Response to Reply #53
67. Well, I guess post count means something to the mods
I'm just glad it was reposted in the proper forum
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 01:34 PM
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52. It always catches up with you...................
No matter what you do in life, one day the proverbial caca is going to hit the fan and you will have to pay the piper big time. Learning life's lesson the hard way...
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #52
61. Bob Parsons is interviewed by Salem Radio Network
(Christian radio network --very large ) on the David Lawrence Show.

All of this: porn, secret internet registration, Christian just doesnt look good.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 07:20 PM
Response to Original message
70. I signed up for one of her help recount efforts...
...which she promoted on here as having specific tasks to do, wrote to her to sign up, and never heard anything about it again.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:13 PM
Response to Reply #70
71. There is a FAMILIAR story, a hundred times over.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 08:22 PM
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74. Standard operating procedure for Bev
Without the people who actually did the work, she accomplished nothing. As she got more famous, she stopped trusting the people who did the work and truned on them.

After that, nothing got done.
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