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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 06:38 AM
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Let's review the 3 judges, shall we? Owen, Brown and Pryor.
Edited on Tue May-24-05 06:50 AM by in_cog_ni_to
From Moveon.org:

The judges who President Bush has renominated were blocked by Democrats because they've sided so consistently with powerful special interests over ordinary Americans that they simply could not be given lifetime appointments on the federal bench.

Take a look at just the first ones to be reconsidered this term:

Janice Rodgers Brown will most likely be the first judge the Republicans push through using the nuclear option—and its not hard to see why she is so important to them or so dangerous for the American people. Brown is against the most basic protections for workers and the environment that have kept our country strong since the Great Depression.1 She follows a radical judicial philosophy that says courts have a duty to block Congress from interfering with, for example, a corporation's "right" to pollute (if it's profitable), or an employer's "right" to demand unlimited hours at any wage from their employees.2 With judges like Brown flooding the bench, everything from the Clean Water Act to the 40-hour work week could be struck down and eliminated.

William Pryor Jr. served as Attorney General of Alabama, where he took money from Phillip Morris, fought against the anti-tobacco lawsuit until it was almost over, and cost the people of Alabama billions in settlement money for their healthcare system as a result.7 He called Roe v. Wade "the worst abomination of constitutional law in our history," and has consistently argued against federal protections for the civil rights of minorities, lesbian and gay couples, women, and the disabled.8

From People For The American Way:
Priscilla Owen – Remaking The Law For The Radical Right
Owen’s own conservative judicial colleagues – including even current Attorney General Alberto
Gonzales – have criticized her right-wing judicial activism. In more than a dozen cases on
reproductive rights, consumer protection, and other issues, Gonzales and other Texas Supreme Court
judges criticized Owen for improperly trying to “judicially amend” Texas law or for “an unconscionable act
of judicial activism” that would harm individual rights.1
Priscilla “Enron” Owen—While serving on the Texas Supreme Court, Owen accepted campaign
contributions from giant corporations including Enron and Halliburton and then issued rulings in
their favor.2
Even several Texas newspapers have criticized Owen’s nomination. Referring to Owen’s nomination
to the U.S. Court of Appeals, the Houston Chronicle’s editorial board wrote, “Texas may be saddled with
justices who elevate partisan ideology above law and logic, but justice and reason should discourage
their infliction on the nation.”3 The San Antonio Express-News wrote that Owen’s record “demonstrates a
results-oriented streak that belies supporters’ claims that she strictly follows the law.”4
Owen opinions would harm consumers and individuals and benefit corporations. When a liquor
retailer sold alcohol to an obviously intoxicated customer, who then got behind the wheel of his car,
crashed, and caused 9-year-old Ashley Duenez permanent brain damage, Owen wanted to let the retailer
off the hook.5 When a man suffered serious injury as he was leaving his truck, Owen wanted to tell the
insurance company it didn’t have to pay.6 In one dissent, Owen endorsed the radical notion that polluters
should be able to opt out of municipal water-quality and other environmental ordinances because private
property rights take precedence.7
Texans oppose Owen’s nomination. Owen’s nomination to the Court of Appeals is broadly opposed by
Texas groups including Texans for Public Justice, the Texas AFL-CIO, the Texas Civil Rights Project,
Texas Watch, the Texas Freedom Network, the Texas Association of Planned Parenthood Affiliates, the
Texas State Confederation of NAACP Branches, the Gray Panthers of Texas, and the Texas Women’s
Political Caucus.



Mike DeWine, in last night's press conference, said (I paraphrase) the repukes reserved the right to "individually" decide when to use the nuclear option depending on whether they felt the Dems had overstepped the bounds of what's considered "extraordinary circumstances". SO, IMCPO, the Dems can still filibuster under "extraordinary circumstances", BUT the repukes can still pull the Nuclear Option out of their ass, at will, since "extraordinary circumstances" is subjective.

I still don't see how this is a win for the Dems.

The ONLY good that came out of this: The Nuclear Option is off the table TODAY...who knows about tomorrow?

The Repukes, Frist and his religious radical right, are pissed as hell...THAT is a good thing, but they can remedy that at will. All they have to do is play the Nuclear Option card again and they can do THAT at any time.

HOW IS THIS A WIN FOR THE DEMOCRATS? Owen, Brown and Pryor get rammed through. Why were the Dems filibustering these judges? Was it because they are so "moderate"? No. They are RADICAL judges who should never be confirmed. IMCPO.

We saved Roe v. Wade? HOW? When a Supreme Court Nominee is filibustered because the Democrats find an "Extraordinary Circumstance", being subjective, the repukes can say, "no it isn't" and play the Nuclear Option. How is that a win, I ask you?

IMCPO, this only postponed the Nuclear Option for another day and that day will probably come during a Supreme Court Nominee filibuster in 2006 during the 110th Congress. The Nuclear Option is inevitable. The repukes are in the MAJORITY. They WILL have their way.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 06:45 AM
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1. Nominated.
The senate "saved" a tactic that the democrats are not using in the three cases where it is the most important. So we can celebrate the senate "victory," or we can recognize that three of the worst judges in history will now be seated at the second highest level of the federal court system. They will have a greater impact on the culture than the Supreme Court, in that they will decide more cases. The general public will lose access to those protections implied by the Bill of Rights. Individuals will have far less chance of contesting corporate policies in their communities. So, we will have a significant loss of Constitutional rights, and corporations will be empowered .... but, gosh! we saved the tactic that our senators don't have the balls to use when it is most important.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 06:52 AM
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2. Confirming Owen, Brown and Pryor
Edited on Tue May-24-05 06:52 AM by in_cog_ni_to
is not a win for the Democrats. I'm so disgusted with our party leaders. :(

on edit: Thanks for the nomination. :hi:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 07:06 AM
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3. I think it is important
that we have a frank and open discussion on what this compromise means. It does retain a tactic in the senate that is important. But what value does it have, when it remains unused in the most important cases?

We also need to focus on what has been compromised in our judicial branch. Compromised justice is hardly worth celebrating, in my opinion. I do not think that those DUers who are saying the compromise is a democratic victory recognize the full impact of these three judges will have on the federal court system. And there is no pleasure in knowing that in but a short time, we will have the opportunity to say, "Told ya so."
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:43 PM
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23. I'm not sure what it is but there are many
Edited on Tue May-24-05 02:17 PM by LibertyorDeath
people here that can't or won't see this.

To busy eating popcorn & watching the repubs implode. The only problem is that's just a side show arranged by Rove. The real deal is what you so well stated.


" or we can recognize that three of the worst judges in history will now be seated at the second highest level of the federal court system. They will have a greater impact on the culture than the Supreme Court, in that they will decide more cases. The general public will lose access to those protections implied by the Bill of Rights. Individuals will have far less chance of contesting corporate policies in their communities. So, we will have a significant loss of Constitutional rights, and corporations will be empowered"

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 03:22 PM
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24. I am convinced
that we will remember this "compromise" as one of the worst sell-outs in recent history. Those three judges are in no way less dangerous than Pat Robertson, Dr. Dobson, and Jerry Falwell. If those three were being placed on the federal courts, they could do no more harm than these three snakes.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 03:26 PM
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25. I'm with you 100% on this one H2O Man!
Insert 1,000 expletives here________________!

:cry:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 03:38 PM
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26. snakes!
The federal courts are one of the last areas where we could expect to find some degree of justice. But I suppose that I am a fool if I think the weasals that allow Cheney a blank check to run his war in the Middle East would have any sense of responsibility to the American public.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 03:57 PM
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27. So very sad...
There are a number of threads and posts celebrating some sort of victory, quite a few by the best and brightest here. All I have to say is: "wanna buy the Mississippi River Bridge?" This bloviating by RW pundits and politicians is likely a smokescreen for their victory. I hope I am wrong, but the Warner Brothers cartoon prophet is shouting in the distance... "you'll be soorrrryyy!!!" ... Never trust a deal with fascists. x(

After all, haven't they successfully seized control, through trickery and treachery, of most of the government thus far? What's to stop them from changing a successful strategy now?

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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 07:12 AM
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4. We have "saved" nothing - we have "won" nothing
What I find hilarious in all this is that some folks actually believe the Republicans will play nice from now on! They've "signed a paper", we can "still use the filibuster", the "moderate Republicans have carried the day."

I ask us all - since the selection of Bush in 2000, when have the Republicans ever told the truth? When have they ever been true to their word?

The war was about WMD's - um, no, check that, about terror - no, about freedom. Really. Pollution is really about Clean Skies. The dismantling of public schools is really about No Child Left Behind. Massive profits for credit card companies is really about personal responsibility.And I'm supposed to believe that Bill Frist is going to stay true to his word?? Ha-ha-ha. Just watch how the phrase "extraordinary circumstance" gets used over time. It will be a perverse thing of beauty to watch them strangle us with it.

Think about this - we just allowed three of the most radical judges on this planet to get voted on, we just helped Georgie stack the lower courts in his efforts to legislate women's rights out of existence, and we just gave him cover to pick any judge he wants, no matter how extreme. When (if) we rise up against it, we'll be "partisan", and since we've just cut off our own legs by refusing to stand up to the bully and show him to be nothing more than an extremist fool we will stay marginalized.

Oh, and for those who crow about how we must have "won" since Hannity et al. are so upset by this deal - when is the last time Hannity, Limbaugh, etc. EVER expressed a point of view without having it cleared from The White House?

They're feeding red meat to the base, and that'll make them madder and more politically involved than ever.

It's a win, all right - but not for the guys you think.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 07:24 AM
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6. Why would we confirm this man?
Pryor: He has consistently argued against federal protections for the civil rights of minorities, lesbian and gay couples, women, and the disabled.

:wtf: Why? What is so great about confirming a racist and bigot, not to mention someone who shows no compassion for the disabled?

I'm not so sure the WH and the repukes didn't have a huge party last night. Reversed psychology? They played the Dems like they were 2 year olds. :(
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 07:50 AM
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9. "They played the Dems like they were 2 year olds" - bingo!
That is exactly what they did.

It saddens me that many do not (or choose to not) see it.

I can only hope that it will not be too late when they finally do.
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 07:21 AM
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5. I agree 100%
I've read thread after thread of those who think the Dems sold us out (again) being called "defeatist" and "not seeing the forest for the trees."

It's so simple, I could explain it to a three-year-old: we promised not to use the filibuster to block the nominations of three radical right-wing judges, trapped ourselves into an agreement not to use it except in "extraordinary" circumstances (as decided by Frist), and we prevented the Republicans from making themselves look like power-hungry fascists for everyone to see. So whereas before we could've fought the "nuclear option," now we're trapped into a contract of sorts that says the Republicans reserve the right to use the nuclear option whenever they feel that we're being unreasonable (gee, that'll never happen).

Seems to me this "compromise" did a huge favor for Republicans and did absolutely jack shit for Democrats.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 07:31 AM
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7. Good cop/bad cop ....
Whenever you have people who think, "Wow! What a victory! We only lost 97% of our rights by compromising with McCain, rather than losing 100% by having to deal with Frist," the primary things compromised are their common sense and self-respect.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 07:45 AM
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8. So, on what grounds can Federal judges be impeached, and what's...
Edited on Tue May-24-05 07:46 AM by JHB
...the procedure?

If they kep up their old habits, at least two of these turkeys can be sent down, as long as someone is willing to hold their feet to the fire.

If the Bushites want them so bad, they have to get them ALL, including the dirty laundry.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 07:52 AM
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10. I don't know.
Probably on grounds of a Federal crime? or "extraordinary circumstances" :eyes:. Rape, murder, bank robbery, extortion, ect... Just a guess. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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Senior citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 10:41 AM
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21. Sorry. There are no such circumstances.

When it is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that this administration orchestrated 9/11, their control of Congress and the judiciary ensures that they will not impeach themselves or their judges, nor will their judges rule against them or convict them of crimes.

This is all about ensuring that they will retain power and control forever and that they cannot be impeached or convicted.

When a SCOTUS nomination occurs, it WILL be deemed extraordinary circumstances and the nuclear option WILL be used if the Democrats don't confirm whatever wingnut is nominated.

Even if Democrats regain control of Congress, any legislation they pass will be struck down by the appellate courts, after which SCOTUS will either concur or refuse to grant certiorari.

This, my friends, is fascist totalitarianism.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 07:58 AM
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12. We are to be stuck with this terrible trio for the next 25 years.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 07:54 AM
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11. But..but..We won! I can't remember what we won, but we won.
Just like the Dems prevented the invasion of Iraq by voting for it.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 08:24 AM
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13. The only thing we gained
was stalling the nuclear option for a while, probably until next year and the repuke religious right have been marginalized and they're pissed. :)
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 09:15 AM
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19. The religious right has NOT been marginalized!
Don't think for a minute that Frist et al. weren't on a hot line to Pat and Jerry about this. These folks are masters at crying poor, and that is exactly what they are doing now.

They got EXACTLY what they wanted - 3 judges, and the ability to bitch and moan again when we use the phrase "extraordinary circumstances."

Every time I think of this deal I think of their strategy of "partial-birth abortion." They asked for that to open the Roe/Wade door, and "extraordinary circumstances" has opened the door for The Christian Judiciary.

These fools will keep the money and the time pouring in, because Republicans are smart enough to keep telling them it's all part of the plan.

And it is. These judges are of course more beholden to corporations than to churches, but the fundy right will see it as one more step in Holy George's Glorious Plan to Bring Forth The Rapture.
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 08:29 AM
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14. Let's Not.
The were already rejected by the Senate.

Jay
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 08:42 AM
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15. "They were already rejected by the Senate"
and THAT isn't good enough for the republicans. Up or Down vote, Up or Down vote, Up or Down vote....they got it! All they had to do was ask! Sheesh. Don't they know our party Dems yet? I think they do. Their ploy worked just as they planned it. Bitch and moan and threaten the nuclear option, the Dems will cave. They caved.
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 08:44 AM
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16. Exactamudo! -NT-
Jay
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DavidFL Donating Member (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 08:59 AM
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17. What this compromise says to me...
as it uses the term "extreme circumstances," but leaves it undefined, is that two "jurists" (I'm being charitable by using that word too, because these judges do not fit my conception of a jurist as they apparently have no problem infusing their political views with their decision making process) who have proven themselves handmaidens and enablers of corporate/oligarchic anarchy, and a crypto-Dominionist, are not "extreme." Or at least that's what it implies to me. I'll admit that I haven't been following all the nuances and twists and turns in this story, but from the articles and posts I've read this morning, that's my impression. However, it leaves me wondering what these senators would define as "extreme circumstances," when the line has just been shifted to the right of these three.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 09:10 AM
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18. The bar for "extreme circumstances" is so high
that they will be able to nominate and confirm any wacko they wish.
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 09:36 AM
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20. They will ALL be approved. Count on it. n/t
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-05 01:34 PM
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22. Rove
Rove "played the Dem's like they were 2 year olds"

To all those breaking out the popcorn to watch the

republicans as they self implode

You are being played.



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