Salon.com: If you're confused by which side won, look who's angry

[Bluebear]

...If you were confused about which side won, it helped to look at who was angry at the deal. Focus on the Family’s James Dobson called it "a complete betrayal," while Eli Pariser of MoveOn claimed victory. "President Bush, Bill Frist and the radical right-wing of the Republican Party have failed in their attempt at seizing absolute power and the ‘nuclear option’ is off the table," Pariser said in a statement. "Our members fought hard to preserve the filibuster, which will now live to see another day. The only way the "nuclear option" comes back is if the Republicans break their agreement."...

Susan Collins and other senators involved in the deal suggested Monday night that it was never really in doubt -- that too many senators were too afraid of what the nuclear option would bring. Democrats were afraid it would destroy the Senate's tradition as a "cooling saucer," the place where debate outruns passions and minority views can moderate majority desires. Republicans feared that they might someday live to reap what they sowed, and that in the meantime Democrats could make their lives difficult by using Senate rules to slow legislation in the Senate to an agonizingly difficult pace...

For McCain, the impetus -- and the satisfaction -- might have been more personal. In leading his colleagues to a deal, McCain presided over a group of moderates and self-styled mavericks who suddenly see themselves as the road to progress in a polarized Senate. And he did so, coincidentally or not, at the expense of George W. Bush and Bill Frist, the man to whom McCain lost in the nasty Republican primaries of 2000 and the man McCain may face in the presidential primaries to come in 2008.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/05/24/senate_compromise/

[TahitiNut]

1. Kabuki.

The Reich got three more Federalist Society extremists on the Appellate Courts, an intimidated "minority," and the Democrats got bupkis.

All the rest is face-saving and pretense.

[MADem]

4. Let's see what the "up or down" vote brings

Odds are, these nutcases will fly, but maybe not...we can always hope, until reality sets in...

[Bandit]

30. Three more for a total of 212 out of 215

Boy we are sure fixing their wagon aren't we?

[StlMo]

2. I'm a liberal Democrat and I'm fucking pissed.

Edited for elaboration

It could have been worse, but I hate the fact that the GOP thugs were rewarded at all for threatening an illegal and immoral revision of the rules of our country.

I'm glad that it didn't go worse, but I'm far from happy about the result.

I only hope that the NeoCons and TheoCons rip each other apart over a perception of failure.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

3. The power elite of both parties won. The people lost.

As usual.

[flygal]

10. Parking it right under here

With all the debating from both angles here - I'll have to agree. It's as simple as that. I've lost so much faith that our elected officials give a rip about joe schmo.

[Deja Q]

13. Haven't had anybody in office care about who votes for them in DECADES.

All they do is vote raises for themselves, listen to the corporate elite, shift unpopular bills into larger popular ones so those ugly provisions can get passed anyway (who the hell thought that up, and were they sober at the time?), and get big benefits after leaving their "public servitude".

That's not a blanket statement; the few who work for the people are pounced on, being called COMMUNIST or LIBERAL and then make a flimsy case to the public, who is so incapable of thought that they'll readily accept the lies.

[Ms. Clio]

5. Yay, yay, it "lives another day"

Guess it only lives as long as it's never used.

[Bigmack]

6. I thought the same....

that is... if Dobson is pissed, we must have won.

Then, I remembered that Dobson is pissed ALL the time. They're ALL pissed ALL the time. They want it ALL, and are totally pissed if they don't get it.

To them, any compromise is treason.

I dunno whether we won or not, but they'll be back... again and again.

[billbuckhead]

7. Republican are always angry.

this was a big win for Corporama, for Ken Lay, for Halliburton , for Texas companies.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

16. "To them, any compromise is treason. "

It would seem that a lot of people here consider it treason, too. The ranting is quite astounding.

[Bigmack]

38. I hate to defend rabid DUers...

but I don't think DUers are saying that compromise is treason.... a sellout, maybe. A sellout is different.

The Freep-types see compromise as giving in - however slightly - to the Godless/Socialist/Terrorist/Darkside.

I think this is a very important distinction. Rabid DUers are merely partisan.

[noiretextatique]

37. bingo...they are always pissed

i don't buy it as proof of a victory.

[Democat]

8. The right wing is angry because they got 99%, Dems happy with 1%

This is a complete surrender by Democrats.

Our side won't stand up and fight for anything.

We should have taken this fight to them all the way - no compromise. Shut down the Senate, let the American people know that we aren't scared to fight.

Instead the Republicans get 99% of what they want, 120% of what they expected, and we get nothing but empty promises and public humiliation, weakening the Democrat's image further in the eyes of American voters.

[in_cog_ni_to]

25. great post.

It's amazing how little we expect from the Democratic party now. Our threshold has been lowered to just about nothing.

[AmericanErrorist]

9. All politics

is really bad compromises.

[LibertyorDeath]

11. Rove has something on McCain I'm convinced of it

something that would destroy McCain's political career
This is exactly what Rove wanted & he sent McCain out to get it.

"For McCain, the impetus -- and the satisfaction -- might have been more personal. In leading his colleagues to a deal, McCain presided over a group of moderates and self-styled mavericks who suddenly see themselves as the road to progress in a polarized Senate."

[Jane Austin]

14. Why do you think this is exactly what Rove wanted?

There's a warning here for the White House that if they send an extremist up for Supreme Court, these 14 Senators won't go for it.

I can't see how Rove would want that.

[acmejack]

22. I suggest you will find the truth to be very different soon

In my heart I know they will install one of these three on the SCOTUS. I will have to see them install a moderate in lieu of one of these extremists, before I can be convinced this was any sort of victory. We shall see soon, shan't we? Rehnquist won't be able to last very much longer and then I think you celebrants will be shown to be suffering from premature elation.

[Jane Austin]

27. Huh? My question was

"How do you know thisis exactly what Rove wanted?"

[acmejack]

28. Nothing was gained by the minority party here

We agreed to live with the status quo and allow these three corporatist jurists an up or down vote where they will be approved along party lines. The republiCons appear ever so reasonable by negotiating an agreement with the appropriately named blue Dogs, avoid shutting down the "people's" business AND still getting everything they want. How can this not be what Karl wanted?

[Jane Austin]

36. I imagine Karl Rove wouldn't have "exactly wanted"

two of the nominees to be tgaken off the table as they have been.

[LibertyorDeath]

35. This is what the little fat troll bastard is up to

Thanks to serryjw for posting this

serryjw Donating member (1000+ posts) Mon May-23-05 11:29 PM
Original message


William G. Myers III - is earmarked for the 9th Circuit.....The BIG Prize



Probably one of the best article on the Federal Circuits......

This is what we are NOW in store for.....
quote....
But if the president cannot change the ideological cast of the 9th Circuit, Republicans in Congress can change the makeup of the 9th Circuit itself. It is by far the largest of the appeals courts, encompassing nine states, from Alaska to Arizona and California.

"It is not a question of if the 9th Circuit will be split, but when," House Judiciary Committee Chairman F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. (R-Wis.) told a conference of judges at the Supreme Court last month.

House Republicans are backing a bill to create two or even three circuits out of the current 9th Circuit, but the plan has stalled in the Senate.

-------end quote.....

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/041805F.shtml

[dbt]

12. Kick anyhow.

[iwillalwayswonderwhy]

15. It's confusing, but I see a positive

I did a quick glancearound - on the Yahoo boards, fr, etc. and the 7 republicans are being completely villified. Called traitors and worse. Email campaigns started up already to blacklist them. The Republicans can either re-elect them, or try to defeat them by running someone more right-wing. But it is a CRACK in the party. There really are some moderate republicans.

This division among the ranks could play out for the dems in 2006. The republicans have gone too far. The more divided they get as a party, the less elections they will win.

[Tesla]

17. Lets take all we can get!!!!

Let's run a Centrist Party, that would definately take from the Repugs!!!

[iwillalwayswonderwhy]

19. I'm not a centrist

But I wouldn't mind watching the republicans split.

My politics are pretty simple, really. Everybody in this country should have food to eat, a place to sleep, medicine if they are sick, and the education they want. Period. No matter what the circumstance. Basic humane needs should be met.

[acmejack]

26. Apparently those beliefs put you in the radical fringe.

They certainly are not in keeping with the values of the DLC corporatists. The New Dems will continue to demonstrate contempt for simple human dignity and that those basic rights are of no concern to them. I can't continue to compromise my core values to cooperate with these people any longer. I refuse to believe this is anything less than capitulation.

[Pacifist Patriot]

18. Party discipline was a big reason why they gained the power they did.

I'm going to enjoy sitting back and watching them eat their own. Pass the popcorn.

[iwillalwayswonderwhy]

21. Exactly

What I've discovered over the years is that people vote republican, but only for the piece of the package that they like. Big business, pharma, tax breaks, WAR, etc. I've yet to meet anyone who embraces the whole package.

My hope is that as one segment grows ridiculous, the rest of them will go "whoa".

[iwillalwayswonderwhy]

23. To illustrate my point

"I'm inclined to support the Republican Party, but the question becomes, how much other stuff do I have to put up with to maintain that identification?" asked Andrew A. Samwick, a Dartmouth College economics professor who until recently was chief economist of Bush's Council of Economic Advisers.

"I don't know a single business group involved in the judicial nominees," said R. Bruce Josten, an executive vice president of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. "Nada, none, zip."

more
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

[Pacifist Patriot]

33. That is exactly what is happening.

Here is a "Republican resignation letter" from someone who has always been a Republican simply because his family owned a business that had to deal with multiple labor unions and it was always a pain in the ass. He was a Republican simply because the Democrats were traditional the party of labor unions.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1803102&mesg_id=1803102

[On the Road]

34. My Grandfather Was in That Category

even though he had a framed editorial in his office protesting the use of the atom bomb on Japan and claiming we wouldn't have used it on Europeans.

The good news (so to speak) is that labor unions have become so much smaller than they evoke less passion on the right. They're much more difficult to use as a bogeyman to scare moderate voters.

[mzmolly]

20. There is no room for logic here! Viva le' bash fest!!!

Recommended, thanks. ;)

[insane_cratic_gal]

24. One of the 3 judges won't make it

At least that is what I read. It was stated by that a down vote was set for 1 of 3 circut court judges. McCain had to reach a compromise on those, so I think those down votes were agreed upon in a back room.

<snip>
McCain: You have before you the agreement and I won’t go in the details of it. But basically, all 14 of us have pledged to vote for cloture for the judicial nominees Janice Rogers Brown, William Pryor and Priscilla Owen.



So considering that, What if part of the deal was to NAY on Owens as it's been suggested by those who were in the room. I'd speculate since Owens has gotten the most press, negative from moveon and the gloss over by the GOP, it is she who is getting the down vote.

In addition the following judges are NOT getting an up or down vote: William Myers, Henry Said, Brett Kavanaughm William Haynes.

[ananda]

29. so, they're angry but..

.. we're screwed.

Total cognitive dissonance here.

Sue

[lovuian]

31. This is right on!!! Look who is pissed off Frist and Cheney!!!

It had nothing to do with judges it had to do with gettting a up and down vote for all issues!!!

[mopaul]

32. they can kiss my fat angry secular ass

[Fight_n_back]

39. To be blunt, the Republicans are girlymen

which is an insult to girlymen.

It is harder to be in charge than it is to be Newt Gngrich, fat and waddling, picking nits while in between affairs, faxing press releases on Clinton's failings while his wife lie in a hospital bed IVs attached to her withered arms, weak from cancer, wondering who Newt's dork is despoiling. It was easier for Trent Lott when he was able to play the victim, mewling at being oppressed by the Liberals in the White House and the Press. Now that they control every concievable branch of government they have to deliver results and Bill Frist choked like Dirk Nowitzki hoisting ill concieved three pointers against the Suns.

Bleed, RepubliCONS, bleed. Eating their own. When will they "suicide" Tom Delay?