So let me get this right .......

[doublethink]

the 'button' won't be pushed on the 'Nuclear Option' tonight ... or tomorrow concerning these Judges, and they get to have their I know ever one is tired of hearing it .. 'up-or-down-vote'. We get to keep the filibuster for now. Step back from the 'brink' ...... and Frist can push the button at some later date, maybe concerning legislative matters instead ? Kinda like the Cuban Missle Crisis been averted but who know what the future holds? The Republic has been saved for now ......... is this where we are at tonight? input ..... need input .... Peace. :freak:

[in_cog_ni_to]

1. Yeah. That's it in a nutshell.

Nice, eh?

[WLKjr]

2. not to get all star wars up in here

but we have to prepare for the 'empire' to 'strike back' soon......

[doublethink]

12. Revenge of the Sith?

:wtf: ...

[WLKjr]

13. no, we seen revenge of the sith with the re-election of bc v2.0, I meant

now we have seen 'a new hope' with this fillibuster deal, and then comes teh 'empire strikes back'


right?

[doublethink]

17. Oh okay .....

I get it now ... :freak: it all makes sense to me now. Thanks! :crazy:

[Cocoa]

3. no

as I understand the deal, Frist no longer has his nuclear option.

[doublethink]

7. I heard Frist say .....

he reserved that option .... of course he called it the 'Constitional Option ...... :wtf:

[BR_Parkway]

10. From the text of the memo of understanding -

B. Rules Changes. In light of the spirit and continuing commitments made in this agreement, we commit to oppose the rules changes in the 109th Congress, which we understand to be any amendment to or interpretation of the Rules of the Senate that would force a vote on a judicial nomination by means other than unanimous consent or Rule XXII.

They can't change the rules throughout this session of congress.

[doublethink]

11. But I realllllllllllllllllllly thought I heard Frist say .......

The 'Constitutional Option' NUCLEAR OPTION ..... is still a possibility for the future ..... hmmmmm thanks for posting that rules change ..... it states they won't use it on 'judicial nominations' could they still pull it on legislative matters? :freak:

[Soup Bean]

4. Senator Frist is looking a little weak.

So is the Empire.

[FlemingsGhost]

5. Once again, the big two-ton elephant shits in the dining room

Because it fell onto our shoes, instead of the rug, we celebrate.

Hip, hip ... hooray!

[doublethink]

18. I don't remember an elephant in Star Wars?

:think: ... you must be refering to jaba the hut? :silly:

[ewagner]

6. Also trying to understand

this whole thing......

Rogers, Owens and Pryor will get their vote in the Senate, right?

Were deals cut to make sure that some would pass and others wouldn't?

Two others will be filibustered.?....don't know much about those two...

The right to filibuster Supreme court nominees in the future is preserved....as is Frist's right to try to pull the trigger on the nuclear option in the future....right?

This looks like our side decided that filibustering SCOTUS nominees is more important than these judges.....

I dunno....strategically I suppose it's better than a defeat....

[Coexist]

8. "the nuclear option is off the table"

this Senate will never pass this option now.

[BillZBubb]

14. Baloney.

Just like the IWR said no attack until "All other options" were exhausted. But go ahead, keep believing what the Repugs say to get their way.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

9. The "republic has been saved" with 3 new rightwing judges?

Yeah. Like we got a really good deal by the Dems who voted for the IWR to prevent the war.

Pass the vaseline for the next good deal they provide us with.

[Telly Savalas]

15. And without the deal...

these judges wouldn't have been appointed?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

16. And, your point is?

Should they have fought against them being appointed, instead of caving?

I think so.

[Telly Savalas]

19. My point is that I want results.

If the GOP gets these 2 or 3 judges anyway, then the fight is pointless.

This deal cedes the district courts judges, but gives us about the best protection we can expect for the filibuster of Supreme Court justices. Of course it's not ironclad, but so long as the GOP holds the majority in the Senate, we'll never have a guarantee that they won't go nuclear.

The only alternative to a deal like this is to play chicken with the GOP Senators by holding up business in the Senate. Given the stubbornness of the Republicans and the fact that they have the media in their pocket, our chances of success would be grim.

If we lose the ability to filibuster Supreme Court justices, Roe v. Wade gets overturned. We can't fuck around rolling the dice just to look tough.