No Respect for the President

[raysr]

"GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. (Reuters) - President Bush on Saturday championed faith in American society, but ran into some criticism as courted his Christian base in a commencement speech at a Michigan college.

"We need to support and encourage the institutions and pursuits that bring us together. And we learn how to come together by participating in our churches and temples and mosques and synagogues," Bush told graduating seniors at Calvin College, a Christian liberal-arts college.

The college describes itself as a "center of faith-anchored liberal arts teaching and scholarship," and Bush has aggressively sought to reinforce his support among religious conservatives who helped deliver him a reelection victory in 2004.

But anti-Bush ads that ran in the local newspaper, protests outside the event and buttons worn on graduates' robes made clear that many students and faculty objected to Bush's policies.

"We believe your administration has launched an unjust and unjustified war in Iraq," said a letter signed by about one-third the college's 300 faculty members and published in Saturday's Grand Rapids Press.

"As Christians, we are called to be peacemakers and to initiate war only as a last resort," it said.

The letter criticized economic policies that it said favored the wealthy over the poor, and faulted Bush for mixing religion and politics and exhibiting and "intolerance" for others' views. "
http://www.pardonmyenglish.com/archives/2005/05/no_respect_for.html

[murray hill farm]

1. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh finially....

the times they are a changing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[kcass1954]

2. He hasn't earned any. n/t

[lonestarnot]

3. Woofuckinghoo! It's about time!

[saltpoint]

4. I don't know the individual people who protested Dubya's gig here --

-- but I'll hug every damned one of them.

THIS is the response I had hoped for in October and November 2004 at the latest, and ideally the moment the newspapers began to hype the war option in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.

Tip 'o the hat to those Michiganders in Grand Rapids.

[DrDebug]

5. Wonderful. Keep it going Calvin College

It's difficult being a war time president

[understandinglife]

6. Since when do war criminals deserve respect?

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - Tragically on the path to MNA Day 8

[raysr]

7. Did you check out that

website "Pardon my English"? Make sure your firewall's working or it's say hello to you by name!

[DrDebug]

10. Are you telling us that we shouldn't click on that blog?

I have a firewall and all kinds of protection, but is there something fishy with that blog.

(I once put up an URL to a site with a virus and since I don't have plug-ins enabled I didn't even know until somebody made a big shout)

[raysr]

14. I don't know

My firewall was down and it said "hello (me)". So I went back with the same browser and it still ID'd me. Then I went back with a different browser and it didn't recognize me. So it got me with the first browser because my firewall was down but after that with a different browser it was ok. You should get a look at this site, it's really something!

[raysr]

8. Laura's getting it too

JERUSALEM, May 22 - Laura Bush got a small taste of the passions of the Middle East today, as her carefully designed trip to places holy to both Muslims and Jews attracted small numbers of emotional protesters.

Emilo Morenatti/Associated Press

Israeli police and security guards surrounded Laura Bush today during her visit to two of Jerusalem's most sacred sites, the Western Wall and the Dome of the Rock.
Forum: The Middle East

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Jim Hollander/European Pressphoto Agency

Laura Bush leaving after encountering protesters at the Western Wall.

Mrs. Bush faced demonstrators at both the Dome of the Rock and the Western Wall, and later, in Jericho, spoke of "what an emotional place this is as we go from each one of these very, very holy sites to the next."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/22/international/middleeast/22cnd-laura.html?hp&ex=1116820800&en=c67a92a32ced8623&ei=5094&partner=homepage

[DeAngel]

9. To everyone that posted here already...

A good chunk of -actual- Christians, not the Fristians or the radical religious right, don't support Bush. However, it certainly doesn't help when Democratic Party members and leaders paint the Christians with such a wide brush. In the long time that I've lurked here, I've noticed some pretty awful statements that, if they had been substituted with "African American", "Gay", or pretty much any minority, would have been crucified (no pun intended re. religion) in a heartbeat.

It just comes across that us Democratics hate religion (or so I've been told...)and that's what makes the Christians vote so heavily against us.

[raysr]

12. I don't believe that

They vote against us because of women's rights (i.e. abortion) and gay discrimination. All your neo-nazis are professed christians.

[lonestarnot]

13. blah blah blah

[DrDebug]

15. Welcome DeAngel

Yeah you made a correct. My post wasn't exactly correct. People have become cynical because of what some Christians do, but indeed the majority is different and we shouldn't forget that. I know many wonderful Christians and they are great people.

So :toast: to you and I'll edit my other post as well, because it was wrong.

[meganmonkey]

17. If people vote for evil leaders because they are misinformed, that

is their own fault.

I don't 'hate religion' and I know very few people who do. But I am glad to live here in the US, a country where people have the right to hate religion and can say so out loud without being suppressed by people who are too sensistive to hear it. It's not like Dean or Reid or Pelosi are saying anything bad about religion, and they are the ones who represent the Dems.

And there is a thing in the DU rules about needing a 'thick skin'. Everyone here has a spiritual or emotional investment in something that gets ridiculed from time to time. But for every person trashing something (like religion), there are likely to be dozens of people defending it.

People shouldn't read thread titles only, just as they shouldn't read a headline and think they know the story.

:patriot:

[SalmonChantedEvening]

11. When he shows an iota of respect for his office, or his electorate,

I'll consider showing him respect in return.

I have seen neither. He has earned every ounce of scorn he's been given.

[DawnneOBTS]

16. Remember, this happened in Michigan-BLUE State

These are people who didn't vote for him in November, and maybe not in 2000 either. Nobody seemed to say "boo" to Frist in South Carolina at the medical school, students nor faculty, no protests mentioned. Michigan has a Democratic governor-Jennifer G. If he was at some Southern Bible college, or at the meidcal school with Frist, he would have been welcomed with open arms.

[5thGenDemocrat]

21. Not true, Dawnne

Yes, Michigan itself is blue (I live in Saginaw, which is 70-30 Dem as a city and 55-45 Dem as a county). Grand Rapids is very Republican and conservative -- but, that said, think Gerald Ford more than, say, Bill Frist or George Bush.
These are rational people. They are well-educated, prosperous and religious -- and nice people to deal with. I'm a liberal Dem and have been my whole life, but I enjoyed the year I spent in GR canvassing funds for ACORN.
Calvin College is Christian and conservative. George Bush is neither. And it doesn't surprise me at all that they called him on it.
John
It is now 26 days, 19 hours and 11 minutes to FUNDAY. We'll have a couple conservative Christians here -- mixed in amongst all the keg-crazies.

[Deja Q]

18. Nice to see REAL Christians combating who appears to be the Anti-Christ.

Until * explains himself, candidly, without a prepared speech, and without saying "um", "uh", or "duh" every third word, I do not see him as the purveyor of a 'culture of life' or anything else even remotely Christian, forgive me.

He is not defending America and Americans; he is leaving them to die. Financially and corporeally.

He allows or homeland bases to be dismantled.

He allows corporate offshoring (a vile sin in every sense of the word.)

I could go on for hours.

Nothing makes sense and he doesn't even bother to talk about it.

He claims to be a uniter but all he and his top staff he openly applauds do is to further divide this country while telling us "Who cares what you think?"

I could go on for hours.


He is NO Christian and I'm close to becoming incontrovertible on my thoughts he is the anti-Christ. :-(

He needs to come. clean. now.

[Just Me]

19. No one should let him off the hook for misusing the Christian faith,....

,...for purposes of profiteering off violence and death!!!

People are being to get a sense of your aroma, pResident,...and it STINKS!!!!

[guardian]

20. * is not MY president. EOM

[Postman]

22. "as Christians we initiate war as a last resort"??????

wasn't Christ a pacifist?