If Iraq War a success, would average Joe have benefited?

[yurbud]

Poll question: If Iraq War a success, would average Joe have benefited?

I'm talking only about the real objective of controlling Iraq's oil and being in a position to grab more or control it indirectly.

Right now, at least the Iraq part of that is a total failure--oil aint flowing at even the rate before the war.

Whether the Bushies still have a possibility of succeeding is irrelevant for the sake of this question.

If they had totally succeeded or totally succeed at some point in the future, would that success "trickle down" to the average joe, working or middle class guy?

[Hobarticus]

1. NO Ð have to have drunk a gallon of the GOP Kool-Aid to think otherwise

[DrDebug]

2. Even if Iraq is operating at full production

it would still means that the oil price will gradually rise. As we have seen the main benefactors of a rising oil price is the oil companies.

[yurbud]

6. I agree. Even if Bushies had good intentions....

they would at best slow the climb in price for a few years, then we'd be back in the same position.

[Goldmund]

3. Here's what I think:

Iraq war IS a success.

I thought I'd just leave the post like that to be provocative, but hell, I'll explain what I mean: I think that the war is more-or-less going the way that its perpetrators thought it would and hoped it would.

[yurbud]

5. so goal is military spending and DEPRESSING oil supply?

[Goldmund]

7. No.

Military spending is one of the goals, yes -- it's a big swindle that effects money from the taxpayers' pocket to end up in the pockets of Lockheed Martin, and Halliburton on the re-building end.

Another goal is to remodel that part of the world according to the interests of Western corporate oligarchy. Peak Oil has a lot to do with it. But "depressing" of the oil supply is only a short-term effect, and one that isn't negative -- higher oil prices mean more money for the oil barons. Iraq provides enough instability to spark a larger regional conflict when the next part of their plan springs to action. Once you wreck something, you can re-model it how you want, not while its still intact.

So, if you assume that Bush has American national interests at heart, he's a huge failure.

If you assume that he works for the interests of corporate oligarchies, then he's a success.

[yurbud]

8. that sounds like more of a gamble, but probably true

[Spinzonner]

4. In Bushworld

'average Joes' benefiting is an abomination

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[yurbud]

10. get rid of theocracy by invading secular dictatorship?

Wouldn't it be cheaper to encourage democracy by not giving money, weapons, and legitimacy to dictators over there like the Saudis, Musharraf in Pakistan, ad nauseum?

What do you think Bushies will do to Iraqi democracy if they ask us to leave, not build bases, and honor the oil concession contracts Saddam made with Russia and France?

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[yurbud]

12. if we had planted an INDEPENDENT secular democracy, maybe

People over there aren't stupid, and as someone once said,

"Elections under an occupation are not free."

Oh yeah, that was Bush.

I would also add that for the Middle East, that theocratic stuff is there way of breaking colonial ties the way Marxism was in Asia, Africa, and Latin America.

In those other cases, once they had the reins of power for a while, they drifted back to capitalism.

Iran is drifting back to secularism since the younger generation is sick of the mullahs. If we leave them alone, they might finish the transition on their own.