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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 11:37 PM
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OK, here are some disturbing photos




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Reverend_Smitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 11:39 PM
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1. Jesus fucking Christ!
That is the most disturbing thing I've seen in a long time(especially the first one)...the Hitler Youth is alive and well in this country
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harpo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:49 PM
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125. You know David Koresh wasn't this screwed up!!
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 11:40 PM
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2. You gotta wonder....
How many of those kids are going to grow up and become gay.
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MazeRat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 11:42 PM
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6. 1-3% I believe....statistically speaking.
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 11:45 PM
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8. I wasn't getting at statistics....
It the hypocrisy, and the torture that the kids must feel learing to hate other people. And some of them are learning to hate themselves.....
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 12:11 AM
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26. Isn't it more like 10%?
nt
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MazeRat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 12:52 AM
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31. 10% is pretty high from my understanding of the data...
The 10% number comes from the famous Kinsey report. More recent studies and census numbers have said anywhere from 1-3%, others go as high as 5-7%. So like anything else, I guess it depends on "which" study you cite. My initially reference was based on US census numbers for households that identified themselves as gay/lesbian.

That number was just under 1% and I added a +2% to help cover data from other studies.

I dont know really.. I was just simply tying to answer the posters question of "how many of these kids will grow up to be gay" ? Seemed like a pretty straight forward question that needed a "best estimate" answer based on available information.

MZr7
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 01:27 AM
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36. That was the same question asked in the previous
thread and one poster had counted 10 boys and guessed that at least one of them would be gay.
Stats depend on honest answers to questions and unfortunately gays have learned that honesty can get you a lot of things, including killed.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 12:07 AM
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24. Dunno, but the poor things look inbred,
so I don't think I'd wish struggling with gayness in that family on them as an added burden.

However, every time I see that reverend, all I can think is "latent."
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 04:07 PM
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97. No reason why
incest should be confined to the het set.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 02:43 AM
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43. Or kill themselves because they are Gay & are tormented because of these
"values" they are being taught.....

Sick, absolutely sick....I look at those pictures and think about what kind of hate these children are being taught....even just the fact that these kids would then believe that "God" hates anyone is unreal.

Why are their parents so afraid of homosexuality?

Hi :hi: physioex! Longtime no see...how's Seattle? What's happening with the Dino Rossi trying to challenge Gregoire for the umpteenth time? Hasn't anyone told him he's like Freddy Krueger on Fri. the 13th Series and just won't go away?
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 03:15 AM
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44. Hi Mama,
Ohhhhhh......I haven't seen you such a long time, and it's nice to hear from you again. Seattle is beautiful with the flowers this time of the year and the weather is soo nice. I wish it would be like this all the time. I think the Repukes are still making lame attempts to get Gregoire ousted but I think it would ultimately fail.

There were some posts earlier on SNL so I decided to watch and it was one of the funnier nites in a good while. Take Care and talk you again real soon..... :hi:
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:41 AM
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54. Probably most - they always claim that they need to wipe out
this influence. From one side of their mouths, they want all sex ed classes to wipe any out any reference to being gay, they want gay authors banned and any books that promote the infamous gay agenda why? So that these same precious little minds wont be tainted by being exposed to any reference to homosexuality and once youve got that all taken care of, give em a hug and wrap em up in one of these fashionable items.

Freeper logic, never could wrap my head around it.
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:37 PM
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105. LOL.....
I don't think there will ever be a time when gays are wiped out...... Silly Fundies...
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 01:08 PM
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84. you might be happily
surprised at how many of these kids will grow up to reject and DESPISE the lives they were forced into-

My older son was (sadly i'm ashamed to admit) indoctrinated into a hate filled way of narrowminded thinking- and he rejected it as soon as he was able- He actually was part of showing me the 'light' so to speak- not that we would EVER have 'hated' gays or tormented others, but we did believe it was 'sin'- which is BS-

One day i saw a woman i didn't like much, and i put on the "OH HI" false face, and complained later in the car about how much i 'didn't care for her', then i said, "oh GOD, it's wrong for me to say that, and i shouldn't 'feel' that way- my son around 12 at the time said in his budding wisdom:
"if you said you liked her, when you really didn't because you think God will be mad at you for not 'loving' her the right way, then all you are doing is adding 'sin' to 'sin'- lying is sin, isn't it?"

i've watched almost all his 'best buddies- male and female- from our 'cultic' church family drop thier 'fundementalism' as quick as they could, sadly, some rebelled in extreem ways- but for the most part, they saw what 'we adults' couldn't see- how WRONG we were- Kids can spot hyprocricy very clearly- and often 'know' better when it comes to 'faith'- then those of us blindly following 'the rules'.

It IS sad, and wrong, that they are being 'used' as they are- but i have hope for them.

Does bring to mind that "you have to be taught to hate and fear, it has to be drummed in your dear little ear, you have to be carefully taught" Rogers and Hammerstien? Gilbert and Sullivan?
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:36 PM
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104. Good for you....EOM
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 03:24 PM
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94. Of course, you mean ARE gay, not "will become".
NT!

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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:33 PM
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103. Well....
You know what I meant.....Children that are in that group who are already gay.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:55 AM
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119. Yeah, I was just being exacting.
:)

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blogbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 11:40 PM
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3. Does god pose for photos too?
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 01:15 PM
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85. God wears a shirt that says, "People hate fags!"
--IMM
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blogbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:16 PM
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102. That's news to me..Proof?
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:55 PM
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110. Seein' is believin'
--IMM
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blogbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:16 PM
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113. proof?
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:54 PM
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115. Came in a vision?
--IMM
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:02 AM
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116. AMEN!
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 11:40 PM
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4. Why? WHY?
To the parents: Why kill the innocence of your young children because you have a problem with something? Do those littlest kids even know what sex is?

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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 03:37 AM
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46. That was my first thought too. I doubt
that those real young ones in the first picture even know what sex is let alone homosexuality. I don't understand why the parents want them to grow up so fast and take their innocence away. :-(
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:01 AM
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56. No little kids don't generally know what sex is but in schoolyards
across the country boys who are not seen as tough enough or jock enough are derided as sissy and gay. If a boy dresses in a way not seen as being part of the dominant culture he is said to be dressing gay.

It isn't only these kids who hate gay people. Their less fundamentalist peers hate gay people as well.
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KarenS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 11:41 PM
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5. Very disturbing,,,,
and sad.

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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 11:43 PM
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7. They look just like
their parents! I swear I could almost pick them all out. Yes, out in the rain, sleet, snow, 110 degrees, yawning, trying to lean against a post they are out there with their signs. It is child abuse and why nobody has ever charged these creeps with it is beyond me.
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 11:45 PM
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9. Everytime I see the pic of the girl in gray
Edited on Sat May-07-05 11:46 PM by wakeme2008
I believe she as lipstick and maybe other makeup on... This, IMHO, makes the picture of her in that shirt more sick... :(
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harpo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 02:42 PM
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127. why do all the kids have this black eye look?
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Gruenemann Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 02:55 PM
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128. it's from those bible books
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 11:47 PM
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10. Whty would this not fit the SCOTUS definition of pornography?
Edited on Sat May-07-05 11:47 PM by Gman
I think pics like this are pornographic. Just as I always thought the pics in Soldier of Fortune were pornographic. They all appeal to a certain type of prurient interest.
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Rush1184 Donating Member (478 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 11:50 PM
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11. That one girl in the top photo...
does not look to happy to be in the shot.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 11:50 PM
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12. Sieg heil!


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Rush1184 Donating Member (478 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 11:53 PM
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16. Spot on!
Hitler youth re-incarnate.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 03:27 AM
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45. Rush fan?
As in the group, not the alien lizard. :D

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Rush1184 Donating Member (478 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:15 AM
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58. While I don't mind the music...
I have not listened to much Rush, and am not a fan by any means. Rush is my last name. Don't worry, I get it all the time, atleast you did not accuse my name of being in support of that pill-powered blowdryer.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:50 AM
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59. Well, you obviously dig Hunter S. Thompson
So do I. :)

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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 11:51 PM
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13. Oh man...
Not only is it disturbing, it's sickening..
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Rush1184 Donating Member (478 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 11:52 PM
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14. Damn... Their website is disturbing...
How are these people so filled with hate, or is it just pure ignorance? Either way, it is sad.
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Momgonepostal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:23 AM
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118. I just read some of the rest of it
and they also seem to hate Sweden, Canada, America, the US armed forces, Ronald Reagan, the Queen Mother, Pat Tillman, and a host of others. They seem to be all over the board with the hate schtick.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 11:52 PM
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15. i think the children in these photos are being abused, morally. sexaully
too, particularly the littleler ones who have yet to begin to develop an understand of sex, sexuality and their own sexual orientation ... and should any of these children tend to be gay they will forever be traumatized into not only not accepting who they are--but also into hating anyone around them who might be.

this is child cruelty and it qualifies as child abuse.

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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 11:56 PM
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17. Those two little girls in the top picture look badly abused.
especially the littler one with that blank stare on her face. What do you suppose her fag hating daddy has been up to with her?
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 11:59 PM
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18. Disgusting
That little girl in the first photo looks like a zombie. :\
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BringEmOn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 12:00 AM
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19. GodHatesChildAbusers.Com
Looks like the girl on the right has a black eye.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 12:02 AM
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20. Ladies and Gentlemen, the next Trenchcoat Mafia.
Coming to a high school near you.

:scared:
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stpalm Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 12:04 AM
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21. Here is a quote from their site. (SCARY)
"Fags have not hidden the fact that they target children (e.g., in schools, boy scouts, girl scouts, etc.). The reason is simple: they want to teach children, at a young age, that it is OK to be gay; that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality as an innocent, alterate lifestyle; that people who engage in sodomy are to be respected in a "multi-cultural" and "diverse" sense. There is no better place to do this than in schools. If they can help raise a new generation of children who have respect for different sexual orientations, then, they think, their lives will be easier. If they can convince impressionable children that sodomy is perfectly normal and natural, they will no longer have to suffer the stigma of being homosexual. Of course, fags can't have children through their perverted activity, so they must target the children of other people. Whether they recruit a child to that lifestyle (through the guise of helping "questioning youth"), or whether they recruit a child to the ranks of those who believe that sodomy is a normal thing to do, they are just as guilty."


These people are fucking insane hypocrites. I read elsewhere on their page- they refer to Bush as a 'petty tyrant' because he is so 'pro-gay'

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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:31 AM
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65. statistically speaking, GIRLS are at greater risk from adult males
One in three women are raped or beaten in their lifetimes. That statistic includes attacks on adult women (most of whom are harmed by a spouse, boyfriend or family member), but the point is clear.

One in Three. Women and girls are the ones in danger from heterosexual men. This is a historical fact.

One in Three. This culture is so patriarchal and woman-hating it is beyond belief.
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harpo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 12:04 AM
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22. there's something wrong with people that do that to their kids
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 12:05 AM
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23. This is what the wackos mean by
"raising up your children." And the woman must gladly embrace her subservient role and birth many, many soldiers for the cause.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 12:08 AM
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25. And they call themselves christains, shame on their haterd of others
I do not know or wish to understand the minds of such extremely sick individuals such as those parents who dressed their children in these T-Shirts.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 12:14 AM
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27. God does not hate me.
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mikedevilsfan Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 12:55 AM
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33. That's for sure
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:41 AM
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68. God does not "hate" anyone. The very notion shows who their real 'god' is:
HATE itself. They harbor hate, not love, in their hearts. They exercise HATE at every possible opportunity. They hate everything and everyone who is not like them, who does not think or believe the way they do. They are the small minded bigots and racists upon whom the fascist oligarchy depend for the re-Nazification of this country.

FDR stopped them the last time. WHO will do it THIS time?
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 01:19 PM
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86. and if Jesus
is telling us like it is, we will be shown the kind of mercy, that we show to others- in everything-

No, God is LOVE- God isn't intrested in what we 'say' we are, He loves us, just as we are, and wants us to do the same-

Who does the bible say comes to 'kill, steal, and destroy'?
Paul's writings about love in Corinthians is pretty clear, and a pretty high, but worth living towards goal-

i like your screen name, my youngest son (born LONG after any Star Treck days in our home) used to say "beam me up Goddy".... he i quite the punster unintentionally- also saw the "wizzard of God" in the Barbie isle- he has taught me how to see joy in the simplest things, and how to laugh harder than i ever knew how to.-

wishing you a taste of that joy
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 01:44 PM
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88. Thank you!
:loveya::hug::grouphug::pals::loveya::hug::grouphug::pals::loveya::hug::grouphug::pals:
:loveya::hug::grouphug::pals::loveya::hug::grouphug::pals::loveya::hug::grouphug::pals:
:loveya::hug::grouphug::pals::loveya::hug::grouphug::pals::loveya::hug::grouphug::pals:
:loveya::hug::grouphug::pals::loveya::hug::grouphug::pals::loveya::hug::grouphug::pals:
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 12:14 AM
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28. Does anyone think the little one in the red shirt has
some other cultural background? Look at the hair. African-American or Arabic-American, possibly? My son is half Arabic and has tight little curls like that (which is why I'm wondering).

And, if so, how must this tiny little person feel hanging out with people who HATE people who are different from them?
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 12:22 AM
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30. These and several other pictures were posted
a couple of weeks ago and we noticed that several of the children are bi-racial.
I think I read that phelps disapproves of racism.
:wtf:
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DeepGreen Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 12:22 AM
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29. This is sick !
I wonder what these kids are going to be like
in 20 years? How can parents fill the minds of
their children with hatred? It is sad !!!!
It is disgusting !!!

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mikedevilsfan Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 12:54 AM
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32. OMG
I would give up a year of my life to be able to smack Phelps just once.
Michael
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 04:14 PM
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99. It's a testimony to the left
that nobody has napesed the guy yet.

The day that man dies, I'm putting a counter on my website of how many days he's been in hell.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 01:09 AM
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34. Is this child abuse or child pornogrophy?
In picture 1, the little girl on the left looks completely befuddled by this. The older girl has a "How's this, Daddy?" look on her face. Which really, really saddens me.

In picture 2, the little boy on the on the right looks like he'd rather be peeing than posing.

In picture 3 .... they just oughtta know better.
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Unforgiven Donating Member (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 01:16 AM
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35. Mike Malloy Was Right
Pink People!!!!!!







I SEE PINK PEOPLE! :-o
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 01:40 AM
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37. for those who quote "far out" posts from DU
bet they won't show these. Damn them.
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 02:22 AM
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38. As Rodgers & Hammerstein say
You've got to be taught
To hate and fear,
You've got to be taught
From year to year,
It's got to be drummed
In your dear little ear
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made,
And people whose skin is a diff'rent shade,
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught before it's too late,
Before you are six or seven or eight,
To hate all the people your relatives hate,
You've got to be carefully taught
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MassLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 04:00 PM
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95. as Nanci Griffith says
It's a hard life
It's a hard life
It's a very hard life
It's a hard life wherever you go
And if we poison our children with hatred
Then a hard life is all they will know
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 02:32 AM
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39. teaching hatred is child abuse
Edited on Sun May-08-05 02:34 AM by Skittles
the parents should be investigated
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Shadowen Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 02:37 AM
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40. *cries*
*wipes his eyes, looks at the pictures again*

*cries some more*
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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:39 AM
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66. ---->
:hug:
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 02:41 AM
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41. Hitler Youth.
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Fountain79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 02:42 AM
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42. Perspective.....
While we are looking at these disturbing photos let's keep some perspective. This is one church, whose members mostly make up Fred Phelps' family. The bi-racial boy on the website is anybody's guess. Furthermore let's be careful before we try to attach this to the Christian Right. This is the same man that is claiming that both Billy Graham, Jerry Falwell, Bob Hope, and Pope John Paul II are all going to hell, not exactly towing the line with the Republicans. This is the fringe of Christianity, plain and simple.
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Reverend_Smitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 12:47 PM
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80. Why Bob Hope?
I could see why these loonies would say that other religious leaders would be in hell...by why Bob? Granted I never cared for his comedy, but what was his damnable offense?
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:04 PM
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122. Fringe Christianity? Radical Clerics Falwell, Robertson and Dobson
certainly qualify for that designation of fringe and radical also.

What these modern day Pharisees do to harm true Christians that attempt to walk in Jesus's footsteps is the worst form of heresay ever. I feel sorry for the truly faithful who are being branded while their religion is hijacked by the money-changers in the temple.

Phelps is only a little less likely to say things that fit in with the mainstream than the others. But they've all called for my death, preferably by stoning. They've all blamed every bad thing that's ever happened to this country on who I happen to fuck - all the while raping and pillaging this country of it's ideals, wealth and innocent wonder at the nature of mankind and the heavens.

Well, I've got news for them - I refuse to let them be given any more credibility than Phelps and crew. And if they want to start throwing stones, they should just remember - some of us do believe in the 2nd amendment - they shouldn't ever fall for their own lies that we ALL want to abolish guns and the right to protect ourselves.
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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 06:19 AM
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47. Don't use children for political messages
No matter how innocent, or bad, the message is.

Here's from a debate:
http://www.democrats.us/beta/forum/view_topic.php?id=2319&forum_id=3
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 06:29 AM
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48. Chances are, at least one of the kids in the goups is gay...
That's just the way it is. For all the "training" and "anti-gay persuasion", it's still quite possible that one or more of those children is naturally gay.

Actually, for the children's sake I hope not (given their social environment), but all that propaganda and hate-mongering would not keep one single child from being gay if that's the way nature intended it.

Damn the adults in this cult! :grr:
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PDittie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 06:39 AM
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49. I have a question for the "God Hates Fags" folks:
Why would God create something He hates?

Operating on the assumption that there is a God, I just don't think that God created anybody or anything on this Earth to serve as an object of hate. (Not even sin.)

Some may say that He created us to do His hating for Him, but that's strikes me also as nuts.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 06:44 AM
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50. self-delete
Edited on Sun May-08-05 06:46 AM by BlueIris
my bad
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 06:45 AM
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51. I have no words.
That is messed up. Go to hell, Phred.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 06:49 AM
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52. Question: Would a civilized govt throw the parents and leaders
of the gay-hating cult in jail for hate crimes and child abuse?

I think yes. The Bush Administration enables this to grow like a cancer because these extremists strengthen the base.

We didn't tolerate this bullshit during the Clinton years -- did we?
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unsavedtrash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:07 AM
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53. they also protest funerals of gay people and people with AIDS while the
funeral is happening. They go to the grave of Matthew Shepard and others on the date of their death with signs saying the person has been in hell for x amount of years. Also see their other sight, www.godhatesamerica.com these people nuts.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 01:52 PM
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90. They also picketed at
Reagan's funeral.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:53 AM
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55. That's just sad.
Luckily, they are a small minority on that extreme.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:08 AM
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57. I wish they would read the Bible they claim to follow:
God is love, and all who live in love live in God, and God lives in them.

If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

1 John 4
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:41 AM
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64. Thanks for that lovely Bible quote
I hope those children learn to regret and suspect the motives of their parents soiling their bodies with those awful t-shirts.
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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:46 AM
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69. the christofascists get around that easily
"If a man say I love God but hateth his brother...":

It was explained ( :eyes: ) to me by an Evangelist:

"Hate the sin, love the sinner"

I don't buy that easy compartmentalization. If you are rationalizing hate and judgement with slogans like this, you are hating the person as well as the action.

How does a person express sin? Through thought, word and action.
How does a person express ONESELF? Thought, word and action.

There is no separation.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 01:25 PM
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87. AAAAMENNNN! and
sing out loud:
"They will KNOW we are Christians by our Love, by our Love, yes they'll know we are Christians by our love"

not hate, not exclusiveness, not wealth, position, power, ethnic background, denomination or what we 'say' we believe- but through our LOVE in word and DEED!!
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:56 AM
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60. Hatred is not new. Our poets and artists have been telling us about
this for years. And yet we never seem to wake up.

It’s a Hard Life Wherever You Go
By Nanci Griffith

I am a backseat driver from America
They drive to the left on Falls Road
The man at the wheel’s name is Seamus
We pass a child on the corner he knows
And Seamus say “Now what chance has the kid got?”
And I say from the back “I don’t know.”
He says “There’s barbed wire at all of the exits.
And there ain’t no place for that child to go.”

It’s a hard life
It’s a hard life
It’s a very hard life
It’s a hard life wherever you go.
If we poison our children with hatred
Then the hard life is all that they’ll know.
And there ain’t no place in Belfast for these kids to go.

A cafeteria line in Chicago
The fat man in front of me
Is calling black people trash to his children
He’s the only trash here I see.
And I’m thinking this man wears a white hood
In the night when his children should sleep
But, they slip to their window and they see him
And they think that white hood’s all they’ll need.

It’s a hard life
It’s a hard life
It’s a very hard life
It’s a hard life wherever you go.
If we poison our children with hatred
Then the hard life is all that they’ll know.
And there ain’t no place in Belfast for these kids to go.

I was a child in the sixties
Dreams could be held through TV
With Disney, and Cookie, and Martin Luther
Oh, I believed, I believed.
Now I am the backseat driver from America
I am not at the wheel of control
I am guilty, I am war. I am the root of all evil.
Lord, and I can’t drive on the left side of the road.


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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:59 AM
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61. Anyone have any idea why my apostrophe translated to
’ ?

I edited the lyrics in M$ word.
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PDittie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:08 AM
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73. Because you're on AOL
aren't you?
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 12:55 PM
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82. I'd rather have an ice pick in my eye than be on AOL.
I edited the lyrics in M$ Word & then did a copy/paste into DU. The apostrophes showed up correctly after the paste. I then did a preview & they looked OK. Only after I posted the message did they get a bit crazy. They looked normal when I edited my original message.

This is the first time this has happened to me.

I have a Comcast broadband connection and not a clue.
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PDittie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 02:55 PM
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91. Just joking.
Several people on AOL who send me e-mail have the Greek symbol virus thing goin' on.
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:03 AM
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62. Involving children in hate speech. Nice.
If there is, indeed, a god, he/she is a lover, not a hater. Period.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:08 AM
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63. What an improvement over the pointy white hats and robes.
Edited on Sun May-08-05 09:08 AM by Misunderestimator
I feel so sorry for the kids that go to school with these kids.
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:40 AM
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67. They won't go to school with other kids.
That's what home schooling is all about. Keep 'em isolated from the world. It's easier that way.
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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 02:37 AM
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120. Lay off the homeschoolers
There are lots on DU. And they're nothing like these people.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:49 AM
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70. I have a close relative who was a boy scout and has been involved with
Edited on Sun May-08-05 10:49 AM by undeterred
scout troops as a leader for his entire adult life. He is a heterosexual married man with 2 sons of his own. I asked him how he felt about the boy scouts excluding homosexuals and he said he agreed with it 100%. He is also bigoted against non-caucasian races and makes remarks to this effect all the time.

I don't have children, but if I did, I wouldn't want them to be in his scout troop or spend much time with him, because I'd consider him to be the worst kind of influence on children.
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:02 AM
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72. A boy scout troop leader here is in jail on charges of...
...molesting his daughter for several years while she was a child. But hey, at least he isn't a fag right?
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:09 AM
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74. at least he's a heterosexual child abuser
like that's somehow more normal than if he were a homosexual child abuser :sarcasm:
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lumberingbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:56 AM
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71. These poor beautiful children...
they don't have a chance!!!!

So sad and so depressing.

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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:10 AM
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75. the banjo pLayer must have been the photographer
since he's not in any of the photos.
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:13 AM
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76. The "New World Order" is introducing the latest version of it's
"Hitler Youth"

God's children being converted to the Devils Army...
God help us all!
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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 12:41 PM
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77. Oh look! Its the Children of the Corn
OUTLANDER!!!! We have your woman outlander! But where is the Blue Man?
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blogbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:47 PM
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108. Lol! In those get-ups I wonder if they are children of the corn(balls)?
What kind of parents would let their kids be pictured like this? They have to be 'cornballs' which somehow 'evolved' from hayseeds!
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true_notes Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 12:44 PM
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78. Stuff like ths
is really what puts a bad name on Christianity. This is a Baptist church's website. Amerikkka the beautiful my ass.
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true_notes Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 12:46 PM
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79. Oh Yeah!
Mike Moore had this guy on the Awful truth, back when he had the show on Bravo! He's a fucking lunatic.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 12:48 PM
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81. Ugly people. Inside and out.
:puke:
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 01:02 PM
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83. The Parents should be locked away...
There is absolutely no way these kids could even know what they are wearing means, they just do it bc the parents make them. x( :mad: :argh:
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 01:46 PM
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89. Apparently God
...also not a fan of orthodondistry. :eyes:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 03:00 PM
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wovenpaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 03:15 PM
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93. sigh..................
This is truly WRONG! Let them be children, at least.
(BTW, has anyone else noticed the kool aid stain around the little girl's mouth?) :shrug:


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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 04:06 PM
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yo-yo-ma Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 04:12 PM
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98. raising children proud to be haters
it's almost as disturbing as child pornography
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 04:20 PM
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100. Let's start enforcing some other biblical laws too....
http://www.godhatesshrimp.com

And, as my pastor says, a gay man eating shrimp is twice as sinful.
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 04:30 PM
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101. When Fred and his evil came to town....
THIS is what they got.


http://www.nbc10.com/news/2656908/detail.html


I have never been prouder to be an Upper Dublin Flying Cardinal than I was that weekend.




Those poor defenseless children are being polluted. It's a disgrace.

Hate is not an Upper Dublin Value
Hate is not an Upper Dublin Value
Hate is not an Upper Dublin Value
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MODemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:38 PM
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106. Any one of those people might be, or grow up to be gay
What will their parents do; have them taken out? These people are about the sickest I've seen in my life. I feel sorry for the children of parents who teach their children to hate others. That is not the Christian way. :puke: :crazy: :freak: :thumbsdown: :shrug:
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Kipepeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:59 PM
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111. They'll disown them
Like Randall Terry and Alan Keyes did to their kids.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:42 PM
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107. god hates people who fuck up children. n/t
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:54 PM
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109. Besides the obvious psychological abuse that these children are
Edited on Sun May-08-05 07:55 PM by Zorra
experiencing, I would give you good odds that the overwhelming majority of these kids are being physically and/or sexually abused by their inarguably very warped, mentally disturbed republican parents.

You gotta know they are.
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:59 PM
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112. And here I thought God was love... didn't know he had hate in him too.
Imagine that... a God who hates. tsk tsk tsk.
Didn't know he had it in him. . . and after all these
years of telling people that the word God and love were synonymous.
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margaritamama Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:21 PM
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114. What is wrong with people?
Have your kids speak your dirty words...bunch of users. They are using their kids and should be ashamed!!
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:02 AM
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117. Hello hate crimes
child abuse...
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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 02:41 AM
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121. This church hates all of the following:
homosexuals ("fags")
anyone who doesn't hate homosexuals ("fag-enablers")
America (GodHatesAmerica.com)
Canada (GodHatesCanada.com)
Sweden (GodHatesSweden.com - really hates the Swedish royal family)
Billy Graham
"Arminian" churches
their local high school (picketing graduation)

Let's hope some of these kids rebel one of these days and wind up on DU!
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paula777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:12 PM
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123. god hates rednecks.com nt
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harpo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:38 PM
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124. Let's go after the folks that own this...data included...
According to network solutions:

Westboro Baptist Church
P.O. Box 1886
Topeka, KS 66601
US
Phone: 785-233-4162
Fax: 999 999 9999

Domain Name: GODHATESFAGS.COM

Administrative Contact , Technical Contact :
Phelps, Benjamin
[email protected]
PO Box 1886
Topeka, KS 66601
US
Phone: 785-233-4162

I called them and that's the Phelps Attorney. They said that the site is promoting "the word of god". The number to the church is 785-273-0325. I called them and asked them why they are promoting hate...they said you can read the web site and if you have a complaint "you can shut the hell up".

CALL THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 02:10 PM
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126. Why are boys hugging boys and girls hugging girls?
Looks pretty faggy to me. :sarcasm:
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