One of Sudan's chief committers of Genocide to be a guest in DC

[G_j]

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/050105Y.shtml

Sudan Becomes US Ally in 'War on Terror'
By Suzanne Goldenberg
The Guardian UK

Saturday 30 April 2005

Sudan's Islamist regime, once shunned by Washington for providing a haven for Osama bin Laden as well as for human rights abuses during decades of civil war, has become an ally in the Bush administration's "war on terror".

Only months after the US accused Khartoum of carrying out genocide in Darfur, Sudan has become a crucial intelligence asset to the CIA.

In the Middle East and Africa, Sudan's agents have penetrated networks that would not normally be accessible to America, one former US intelligence official told the Guardian. Some of that cooperation has spilled over into the war in Iraq: Sudan is credited with detaining foreign militants on their way to join anti-American fighters there.

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News of General Gosh's visit to Washington caused consternation in human rights circles. The general is among 51 Sudanese officials implicated in human rights abuses by the international criminal court.

"I quite understand that the war on terrorism means dealing with bad actors, but to fly in one of Sudan's chief committers of what Washington has formally described as genocide is deeply disturbing," said an independent Sudan analyst, Eric Reeves. He noted there had been signs of a slight thaw towards Khartoum for some time - despite the state department's official stance.

[Wizard777]

1. If there are International Warrants

It will our duty to arrest him and transport him to the Hague to await trial.

[G_j]

2. interesting point

& then can one make a citizen's arrest?
I can't see the Gonzales justice Dept. doing anything.

[Wizard777]

3. I can see Gonzalez defending him.

But he should take Customary Law first. That's where he screwed up with Bush. There is nothing in this world more binding than Customary Law. International Law is derived from thousands of years of Customary Law. Bush is just the new punk on the block. Do the math.

[G_j]

4. I suppose Human Rights Watch

is aware of this. I'd be interested to hear what this group and other human rights groups such as Amnesty Int. have to say about this visit.
It sounds like this person should be standing trial.

[Wizard777]

5. Right now at The Hague

Slobodon Milosovich has found out the hard way he is not Immune to prosecution. He is finding out that the blame it on the generals defense doesn't work. Bush's blame it on the enlisted men defense will be even weaker. The fish rots from the head.

[G_j]

8. I agree

also see post #6

[G_j]

10. so when the higher ups are proved guilty

in the torture scandals, what will happen to the lowly "bad apples" serving prison time? ..just wondering aloud..

[Wizard777]

14. Break out the scales. That will be one hell of a balancing act.

They should have refused the illegal order. But we have court martialed a florida man for desertion for refusing to go. So the ability to refuse an illegal order is like the Insanity defense in NY. It exists in theory only. There are no practical applications.
I can see Justice in a full dimissal if they gave full cooperation and disclosure in a proper investigation. Ther lives should not be ruined by this. They should not bear the full brunt. I think this would also create an Apropriate Balance between american justice and the Geneva Convention Bush has agreed to abide by.

PART II

GENERAL PROTECTION OF PRISONERS OF WAR

Article 12

Prisoners of war are in the hands of the enemy Power, but not of the individuals or military units who have captured them. Irrespective of the individual responsibilities that may exist, the Detaining Power is responsible for the treatment given them.


By the GC they are the least reasponsible for that and Bush is most responisble for that. Those were Bush's POW's. Not theirs.

[G_j]

6. Maj. Gen. Salih Gosh /Darfur and the International Criminal Court

http://www.merip.org/meromero042905.html

Darfur and the International Criminal Court

Eric Reeves

April 29, 2005

On March 31, 2005, the United Nations issued another response to the vast crisis in the Darfur region of far western Sudan, referring various conspicuous violations of international law to the International Criminal Court. Though there have been five previous UN Security Council resolutions bearing on Darfur, the response contained within Resolution 1593 has gained far and away the most public notice because it seemed, at first glance, to have teeth. Major human rights organizations welcomed the possibility that perpetrators of the mass killings and displacement plaguing the Sudanese region since February 2003 could face trial and eventual punishment. Germany and other Western governments were gratified that the United States, long hostile to the Court, had stopped its obstruction of such an international justice effort. Given the extremely limited relevance of Resolution 1593 to the task of ending the destruction and human suffering in Darfur, however, the initial sighs of relief at the resolution's passage are grimly ironic.

The ongoing disaster in western Sudan deserves the name of genocide. The concerted military campaigns of the Khartoum government and its janjaweed militia allies have clearly included several of the acts stipulated in the 1948 UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crimes of Genocide, in particular “killing members of groups ” and “deliberately inflicting on the groups conditions of life calculated to bring about their physical destruction in whole or in part.” Acts of the latter sort, exemplified in the case of Darfur by such tactics as razing of villages, burning of crops and looting of livestock, constitute what might be described as “genocide by attrition.”

According to a recent study by the Coalition for International Justice and independent research, state-directed violence and the resulting public health crises have claimed as many as 400,000 lives in Darfur since February 2003, overwhelmingly among the non-Arab or “African” tribal populations of the region. Available data suggest that an additional 2.5 million people have been displaced by the conflict, either within Darfur or as refugees to Chad. This displacement continues at an alarming rate. Three million people -- approximately half of Darfur's population -- are now “conflict-affected” and Jan Egeland, the UN's chief aid official, has indicated this number may grow to 4 million during the impending June-September rainy season. Famine conditions are already evident in parts of rural Darfur; food shortages and a collapsed agricultural economy (including spiraling food price inflation) ensure that the dying is far from done. The final death toll from this engineered catastrophe may exceed that of Rwanda's genocide
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Certainly on the list, then, is First Vice President Ali Osman Taha, presently the most powerful member of the NIF. It is widely known that Taha has taken primary responsibility for Khartoum's Darfur policy, even as he was chief NIF negotiator (and concession-maker) in the peace talks with the southern Sudan People's Liberation Movement that concluded in Nairobi, Kenya on January 9. Interior Minister Abd al-Rahim Muhammad Hussein is also surely on the list, as he is, among other things, the primary architect of forced removals of internally displaced persons from camps of refuge in Darfur. So, too, is the director of security and intelligence within the NIF regime, Maj. Gen. Salih Gosh. Given the prominence of these men in regime policy generally, any assessment of the “deterrent” effects of an ICC referral must take account of their likely actions and motives.

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http://www.sepnet.org/index.php?op=ViewArticle&articleId=742&blogId=1

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The report also establishes with welcome authority a clear chain of command within the Khartoum regime, both its military and security services and various of its political organs. This permits very clear inferences about the identities of those within the National Islamic Front regime whose names have been put under seal, pending referral to an international prosecutor (whether at the International Criminal Court or an ad hoc tribunal). For example, Sallah Gosh, the senior official in Khartoum's multi-layered National Security and Intelligence Service, is almost certainly named (see Para. 85-97), as is Abdel Rahim Hussein, Minister of the Interior and charged with the "Darfur portfolio" by the regime.
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http://www.genocidewatch.org/SudanUSReportFindsBackingofkillings8sept2004.htm

U.S. Report Finds Sudan Promoted Killings

Use of Term 'Genocide' Debated Ahead of Powell Testimony on Darfur Atrocities

By Emily Wax

Washington Post Foreign Service
Wednesday, September 8, 2004; Page A17

A State Department report detailing atrocities in the Darfur region of western Sudan concludes that the Sudanese government has promoted systematic killings based on race and ethnic origin, but officials said Tuesday that there was strong debate over whether Secretary of State Colin L. Powell should classify the violence as genocide.
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High-ranking Sudanese officials, including the head of National Intelligence Security Services and the former external affairs intelligence chief, are among the key figures ordering and coordinating the violence in Darfur, State Department sources said.

"Senior Bush administration officials appear reluctant to publicly identify senior officials involved in the atrocities in Darfur, including First Vice President Osman Taha and NISS chief Salah Abdala Gosh, because these officials are also in charge of the counterterrorism efforts and have been cooperating with U.S. officials," said Ted Dagne of the U.S. Congressional Research Service. "Targeting these officials could end cooperation on counterterrorism."
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http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=RNWE,RNWE:2004-18,RNWE:en&q=Amnesty+Darfur+Gosh&lr=&sa=N&tab=nw

[Oilwellian]

13. Leave it to a Bush

"The final death toll from this engineered catastrophe may exceed that of Rwanda's genocide."

It's no surprise the Bush administration embraces those responsible for this horror. Damn them ALL to hell. :grr:

"Culture of Life" my ass.

[sweetheart]

7. Had General Gordon never done his imperial work...

would sudan be a problem case for genocide? We must ask the
question, as any self effacing son of a gun must ask... being that
political america is the child of political britain, and general gordon
could reasonably have been charged with similar imperial crimes from
another era of colonialism in sudan.

We are creating imperial ripples with our western colonialism, and yet
we cry wolf when the wave comes back by the law of karma (what ye sew,
ye shall reap)...

Of all the things they should teach in schools, the historical law of
karma, and its returning ripples, surely is a must-learn.

[G_j]

9. spot on!

every word! :hi:

[The Magistrate]

12. Actually, Sir, It Probably Would

For a long time before "Chinese" Gordon, the northern peoples habitually raided the southern for slaves, and whenever the weather goes more than usually dry, the nomadic tribes press into the farmlands of the agriculturalists....

[sweetheart]

18. However, without firearms

and the murder machines of the colonial traders, these raiders would
be reduced to methods less genocidal. The janjaweed folks are using
helicopters and western machinery from somebody.

I do not dispute that evil behaviour exists in the hearts of men, and
is no franchise of only westernism, but indeed, we've mangified so
many problems by injecting western weapons of war in stealth colonialism.

[peace4all]

11. we employed Nazis

after the war.

some things never change

[Wizard777]

15. Are you refering to the GM Nazi prison camp guard?

Demyemyak (sp?:blush: )was sent to The Hauge for trial. Their are NO stautes of limitations on war crimes or crimes against humanity. The only true escape from the charges are death. Hitler fully understood that. This big world gets smaller and spins faster with every advance in technology.

[peace4all]

17. actually I was referring to this:

The CIA and Nazi War Criminals

National Security Archive Posts Secret CIA History
Released Under Nazi War Crimes Disclosure Act

National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 146

Edited by Tamara Feinstein

February 4, 2005

Washington D.C., February 4, 2005 - Today the National Security Archive posted the CIA's secret documentary history of the U.S government's relationship with General Reinhard Gehlen, the German army's intelligence chief for the Eastern Front during World War II. At the end of the war, Gehlen established a close relationship with the U.S. and successfully maintained his intelligence network (it ultimately became the West German BND) even though he employed numerous former Nazis and known war criminals. The use of Gehlen's group, according to the CIA history, Forging an Intelligence Partnership: CIA and the Origins of the BND, 1945-49, was a "double edged sword" that "boosted the Warsaw Pact's propaganda efforts" and "suffered devastating penetrations by the KGB."

The declassified "SECRET RelGER" two-volume history was compiled by CIA historian Kevin Ruffner and presented in 1999 by CIA Deputy Director for Operations Jack Downing to the German intelligence service (Bundesnachrichtendienst) in remembrance of "the new and close ties" formed during post-war Germany to mark the fiftieth year of CIA-West German cooperation. This history was declassified in 2002 as a result of the work of The Nazi War Crimes and Japanese Imperial Government Records Interagency Working Group (IWG) and contains 97 key documents from various agencies.

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The documentation unearthed by the IWG reveals extensive relationships between former Nazi war criminals and American intelligence organizations, including the CIA. For example, current records show that at least five associates of the notorious Nazi Adolf Eichmann worked for the CIA, 23 other Nazis were approached by the CIA for recruitment, and at least 100 officers within the Gehlen organization were former SD or Gestapo officers. (Note 2)
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"The notion that they employed only a few bad apples will not stand up to the new documentation. Some American intelligence officials could not or did not want to see how many German intelligence officials, SS officers, police, or non-German collaborators with the Nazis were compromised or incriminated by their past service… Hindsight allows us to see that American use of actual or alleged war criminals was a blunder in several respects…there was no compelling reason to begin the postwar era with the assistance of some of those associated with the worst crimes of the war. Lack of sufficient attention to history-and, on a personal level, to character and morality-established a bad precedent, especially for new intelligence agencies. It also brought into intelligence organizations men and women previously incapable of distinguishing between their political/ideological beliefs and reality. As a result, such individuals could not and did not deliver good intelligence. Finally, because their new, professed 'democratic convictions' were at best insecure and their pasts could be used against them (some could be blackmailed), these recruits represented a potential security problem." (Note 3)
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http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB146/

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