Bareback Sullivan on AAR: Joey Rats is a great Pope

[MindPilot]

I think I heard this right. When Franken asked him how the church can reconcile the number of gay priests with their blanket condemnation of homosexuality, Sullivan responded "since they are celibrate, it doesn't matter."

[seabeyond]

1. thats a point. they arent asking people to not be gay

they are just saying not allowed to act on that impulse

i mean, this is what they say

which is what makes it even more.............well i am not allowed to say stupid anymore, per posters. so............odd

[Bunny]

2. In a sense, he may be right.

Under JP2, I thought the church believed in "love the sinner, hate the sin" and that those who had homosexual 'inclinations' would have to remain celibate in order to stay in the church's good graces. So, having a lot of gay priests would not be a big deal, IF they remained celibate.

Somehow this new guy doesn't seem all that welcoming toward homersex'ls in any format, though.

[HereSince1628]

3. But that actually is the roman church's position isn't it?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

4. sullivan is correct

that's what the catechism says. Therefore, if one is gay and Catholic, as long as they are not engaged in a homosexual relationship, they are OK...repressed as all get up..but OK

[seabeyond]

5. repressed as all get up..but OK

bah hahahahaha

and the funny. back to my post above, isnt this the stu.......oddest

on edit: god made you gay, you are legitimately gay, but you arent allowed to be

why, god made a mistake with you. god meant you to suffer a lifetime. oooosh, i mean? confused here

[Lone Pawn]

10. The Catechism says:

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

[seabeyond]

12. this is very very interesting

thank you. tis going along with my own spiritual journey in a certain aspect, not of religion, beyond

and catechism? is that like the writing of catholic religion?

thank you for sharing this. i havent read this.

[Lone Pawn]

13. The Catechism of the Catholic Church

is the book containing the entire summation of beliefs and rules the Catholic Church holds and follows.

[seabeyond]

15. now just laughing

decided i needed to pick up a book that is more balanced in islamic religion. the dude that was on jon stewart the other nite, and now interested in reading this and getting more information, as i receive dobson book and trying to get thru

and i am not religious

so finding all this in humor

i see every religion, and many more paths to god. i have faith, all these can perfectly bring us to one in self, where christ voice is within, for ourselves to hear

i am just continually proven...........how it all perfectly melds together. be it in bible, mohummad, catechism, mormon, .....sound, music, children, animals, nature, lite..........yada yada

[whistle]

6. Uhm.."since they are celibrate", I suppose that may be why...

.. there is an epidemic of pedophilia in the church, all those priests are "celebrates".

Definition of celibate (adjective)
abstaining from sexual intercourse; unmarried

[MindPilot]

8. dammbit those "r"s get into everything!!!!

The writer regrets the error...maybe.

:spank:

[Lindacooks]

16. Gay people are not pedophiles.

Celibacy doesn't create pedophiles. Those pedophile priests are PEDOPHILES - not gay.

[wicket]

7. He certainly has not been caling him a great pope on his blog!

http://www.andrewsullivan.com/

[MindPilot]

11. yeah there does seems to be some conflict

and that's one reason I was a little taken aback by some of the comments on AAR. I was having some trouble hearing the show so I may not have heard everything clearly. Plus I'm at work, so not in a position to devote full attention the stream.

[regnaD kciN]

17. Indeed. Even from the first day...

...he's been far more outspoken over denouncing the choice of Ratzinger than many Roman Catholics one would consider distinctly to Andy's left. While a number of them have adopted the Pollyanna-like attitude that "the new Pope will likely moderate his previous positions," and decided to grant him the traditional "honeymoon" of the new officeholder, Sullivan has been having none of it.

[Lone Pawn]

9. Sullivan's absolutely correct.

Homosexuals who abstain from sexual activity are just as clean as heterosexuals who abstain from sexual activity. Homosexuality is not a sin according to the RCC, it is an inclination to sin. But for a priest, any sexual inclination is unacceptable and must be controlled. Therefore the nature of that inclination does not matter.

[theboss]

14. And you can see why so many priests seem to be homosexuals

According to the Church, if you are homosexual you have to remain celibate. So if are a Catholic who has to remain celibate, why not choose the professiona that has celibacy as one of its rules.

Not sure that this is the healthiest thing in the world but it has a strange logic.

[Zhade]

18. Sullivan is an "Aunt Tom".

NT!