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mopaul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 07:19 AM Original message |
Religion is not IMMUNE to Criticism. |
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KlatooBNikto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 07:21 AM Response to Original message |
1. I thought that the infallibility of Popes was a thing of the past just as |
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mopaul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 07:22 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. the pope is a king |
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megatherium (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 07:43 AM Response to Reply #1 |
25. papal infallibility is still the doctrine of the Church. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 08:41 AM Response to Reply #1 |
54. Papal infallibility has been invoke only TWICE in nearly 2000 years. |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 03:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
106. Didn't the Pope say the world was flat at one time? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 07:24 AM Response to Original message |
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MollyStark (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 07:24 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. good point N/T |
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KlatooBNikto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 07:31 AM Response to Reply #5 |
13. I want to say that I do not like the way many rich Arab countries treat |
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mopaul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 07:33 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. muslim misogyny is a valid topic, as is catholic misogyny |
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MollyStark (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 08:08 AM Response to Reply #15 |
35. Mine isn't N/T |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 07:37 AM Response to Reply #13 |
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KlatooBNikto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 07:39 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. The word Jihad or holy war is a particularly noxious concept meant to |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 07:42 AM Response to Reply #22 |
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mopaul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 07:43 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. beheading or lethal injection, capital punishment is harsh |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 07:47 AM Response to Reply #26 |
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mopaul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 07:49 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. the u.s. is one of only a few nations that still practice executions |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 07:52 AM Response to Reply #29 |
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mopaul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 07:52 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. agreed, but let the whackos have their way... |
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MollyStark (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 08:10 AM Response to Reply #26 |
36. They do it for reasons which we would never do it |
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mopaul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 07:25 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. i hate radical muslims |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 07:28 AM Response to Reply #6 |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 07:27 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Show me where a Muslim (not the terrorists but a real Muslim) |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 07:29 AM Response to Reply #8 |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 07:31 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. I am not saying they wouldn't, given the chance |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 07:59 AM Response to Reply #10 |
33. I have seen literally hundreds of posts on DU criticising Sharia Law |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 08:12 AM Response to Reply #33 |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 08:27 AM Response to Reply #37 |
44. There's all kinds of things that can be criticised in the world |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 08:30 AM Response to Reply #44 |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 08:46 AM Response to Reply #47 |
60. Let's look at what is happening: |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 09:47 AM Response to Reply #60 |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 08:34 AM Response to Reply #37 |
48. Never mind |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 08:38 AM Response to Reply #48 |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 08:43 AM Response to Reply #52 |
56. That's why I deleted my response |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 08:45 AM Response to Reply #56 |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 08:51 AM Response to Reply #58 |
63. So back to the bashing |
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mopaul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 09:03 AM Response to Reply #63 |
67. jim jones was a religious leader, an extreme example of course |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 09:39 AM Response to Reply #67 |
76. An extreme example, but still |
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mopaul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 09:01 AM Response to Reply #52 |
66. I said 'religion' not catholic. of course it's o.k. to bash crazy muslims |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 03:09 PM Response to Reply #52 |
96. It's not that only the Christian religion *can* be criticized, |
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MollyStark (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 08:13 AM Response to Reply #8 |
38. Gay people in the middle east don't matter to you? |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 01:55 PM Response to Reply #38 |
88. They do |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 03:52 PM Response to Reply #38 |
103. And The Dolphins... Don't You Care About Dolphins?? |
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aeolian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 08:47 AM Response to Reply #3 |
61. Yahwe is Yahwe, |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-05 08:21 AM Response to Reply #3 |
117. The point is that Muslim fundamentalists aren't trying to take over |
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MollyStark (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 07:24 AM Response to Original message |
4. How you say something is important |
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mopaul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 07:25 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. but the church will survive, perhaps even come out better for it |
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SympatheticBrit (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 07:30 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Topic Creator is right IMO |
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mopaul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 07:31 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. even when you're trying NOT to, some take offense |
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SympatheticBrit (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 07:35 AM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Yes I've noticed that. |
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JitterbugPerfume (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 07:34 AM Response to Reply #7 |
16. When there isa sacred subject we can not be critical of |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 07:37 AM Response to Reply #4 |
19. Yes - bashing involves injury, blood, and pain |
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mermaid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 08:16 AM Response to Reply #19 |
39. Yes!! |
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MollyStark (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 08:22 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Who are you talking too? |
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DoYouEverWonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 09:23 AM Response to Reply #39 |
73. Part of the problem |
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MollyStark (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 08:16 AM Response to Reply #19 |
40. I am not defensive and I have no desire to get through to non believers |
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KlatooBNikto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 08:36 AM Response to Reply #40 |
49. A person who practices his or her faith in person is fine with me.When |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 11:27 AM Response to Reply #40 |
87. It's a two-way street on the character of the arguments |
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mermaid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 10:02 PM Response to Reply #40 |
113. Yeah, Right.... |
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aeolian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 08:37 AM Response to Reply #4 |
50. So, too, have been many of the acts of catholicism. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 07:36 AM Response to Original message |
18. Hostility to religion is not IMMUNE to Logic. |
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mopaul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 07:37 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. i guess, but i'm not too smart |
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KlatooBNikto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 07:42 AM Response to Reply #18 |
23. You are talking about a topic that is not based on logic but on faith.So, |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 07:45 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Think about it a bit and get back to me. n/t |
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KlatooBNikto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 07:52 AM Response to Reply #27 |
31. I have thought about it a lot in my sixty odd years of life and come to |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 08:30 AM Response to Reply #31 |
45. I have to admit I'm surprised to know you're 60+. |
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KlatooBNikto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 08:42 AM Response to Reply #45 |
55. I even think that something as dependent on personal choice as religious |
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smirkymonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 09:39 AM Response to Reply #31 |
77. I agree with you and I think organized religion is on its way to |
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mopaul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 09:43 AM Response to Reply #77 |
78. the mayans achieved much, but their religion wiped them out |
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erinlough (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 02:45 PM Response to Reply #31 |
93. After 53 years I'm on the same path as you |
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moddemny (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-05 04:30 AM Response to Reply #31 |
114. Are you absolutely sure.... |
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aeolian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 08:38 AM Response to Reply #18 |
51. Agreed. Nor is religion itself immune from moral and logical criticism. |
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markus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 08:00 AM Response to Original message |
34. I'm not interesting in criticizing anyone's religion, but their churches |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 08:18 AM Response to Original message |
41. I'm Still Trying To Figure Out The Logic Behind The Claim... |
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smirkymonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 02:37 PM Response to Reply #41 |
89. It's spiritual insecurity. |
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KlatooBNikto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 08:23 AM Response to Original message |
43. Karl Marx said "Religion is the opiate of the masses." That holds true |
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KlatooBNikto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 08:30 AM Response to Original message |
46. This morning I have posted an item that includes two facts: |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 08:40 AM Response to Original message |
53. It's not beyond criticism. However, nobody and no institution deserves... |
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aeolian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 08:43 AM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Nor have any people ever deserved |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 08:50 AM Response to Reply #57 |
62. I agree on that point as well. |
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aeolian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 08:57 AM Response to Reply #62 |
65. I recognize the good deeds of individuals |
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smirkymonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 02:40 PM Response to Reply #65 |
90. Perfect - that is the crux of the misunderstanding! |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 09:09 AM Response to Reply #62 |
69. NO Free Passes! |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 08:46 AM Response to Reply #53 |
59. How Dare Those Evil And Wicked Homos Criticize And Scorn The Church... |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 08:51 AM Response to Reply #59 |
64. It's one thing to criticize. It's another thing to sit there and shout... |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 09:04 AM Response to Reply #64 |
68. That Doesn't Explain Why I'm Told To Sit Down And Shut Up... |
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KlatooBNikto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 02:44 PM Response to Reply #53 |
92. I do not think personal nsults belong here.But institutional criticisms |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
70. True, but to continue to pretend |
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mopaul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 09:15 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. I personally do not hate catholics. i even know some, some are pals |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 09:21 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. I'm not singling out you, |
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mopaul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 09:25 AM Response to Reply #72 |
74. it's definitely gone into hyper overdrive |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 09:31 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. yeah, |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
80. Criticize. But do so artfully. |
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mopaul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 09:51 AM Response to Reply #80 |
84. like tippy toeing? |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 09:58 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. I chose the word art |
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mopaul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 11:20 AM Response to Reply #85 |
86. point taken |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
81. I have no problem with criticism. |
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truth2power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
82. Thank you, Mo, for saying this. Read on. |
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truth2power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
83. Oops, duplicate post. Sorry. n/t |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
91. Religion was greatly criticized by the one who is the most responsible |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
94. Hey, are you saying that the Inquisition(s) may have been wrong? |
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KlatooBNikto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 03:01 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. Remember that in Apartheid South Africa the churches were ready |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-05 06:23 AM Response to Reply #94 |
115. Current events or ancient history? |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
97. and some of the "criticism" is actually bigotry |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
98. The absence of religion is not immune to criticism either |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 03:37 PM Response to Reply #98 |
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mopaul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 03:47 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. certainly "I" could never be accused of that |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 03:54 PM Response to Reply #101 |
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mopaul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 03:57 PM Response to Reply #104 |
107. electrocution, dog attacks, torture, injection, hanging, are all approved |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 04:01 PM Response to Reply #107 |
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mopaul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 04:07 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. beheading is no more brutish than electrocution, brother bush's method |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-05 07:47 AM Response to Reply #111 |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
99. Criticizing religious teachings is also not bashing Christians. |
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mopaul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 03:48 PM Response to Reply #99 |
102. dissent of govt. is patriotic, as is critique of religion |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 03:56 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. I don't know if the latter is patriotic, exactly, but it IS necessary. |
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mopaul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 03:59 PM Response to Reply #105 |
108. exactly |
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thecai (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
109. Sure! They Criticized Jesus, Too... |
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mopaul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-05 04:09 PM Response to Reply #109 |
112. & jesus never commanded that we not criticise him, or his followers |
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