With Ratzi the Nazi in the Vatican, all eyes are momentarily off Bush

[SodoffBush]

and his grandpappy's Nazi collaboration.

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Two years later Ratzinger was enrolled in an anti-aircraft unit that protected a BMW factory making aircraft engines. The workforce included slaves from Dachau concentration camp.

Ratzinger has insisted he never took part in combat or fired a shot —adding that his gun was not even loaded — because of a badly infected finger. He was sent to Hungary, where he set up tank traps and saw Jews being herded to death camps. He deserted in April 1944 and spent a few weeks in a prisoner of war camp.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1572667,00.html

[Zuni]

1. hardly worthy of nuremberg

[Mondon]

2. Cut the Nazi crap -- it's BS that makes the site look bad

If Simon Wiesenthal doesn't think he's a Nazi, he's not.

STATEMENT BY SIMON WIESENTHAL CENTER ON ELECTION OF CARDINAL RATZINGER TO POPE BENEDICT XVI

The Simon Wiesenthal Center congratulates Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger on becoming Pope Benedict XVI.

"I hope that he will continue to build on the legacy of Pope John Paul II’s special relationship with the Jewish people," said Rabbi Marvin Hier, founder and dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center. "The new Pope, like his predecessor, was deeply influenced by the events of WWII," he said. "As a child, Pope Benedict XVI grew up in an anti-Nazi family. Nonetheless he was forced to join the Hitler Youth movement during the Second World War."

Rabbi Hier continued, "Pope John Paul II dramatically changed the Catholic Church forever in reaching out to other religions, particularly Judaism. I am confident that the Vatican under the leadership of Pope Benedict XVI will continue to build on those remarkable achievements and organizations like the Simon Wiesenthal Center look forward to being partners in that process."

The Wiesenthal Center had two private audiences with the late John Paul II in 1983 and 2003.

The Simon Wiesenthal Center is one of the largest international Jewish human rights organizations with over 400,000 member families in the United States. It is an NGO at international agencies including the United Nations, UNESCO, the OSCE, and the Council of Europe.


http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/apps/s/content.asp?c=fwLYKnN8LzH&b=253162&ct=716941

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[Mondon]

6. He was conscripted at 18

during a time when to resist meant being shot (as opposed to moving to Canada).

Do you believe every 18yo German conscripted during the war was a Nazi? A war criminal?

Do you hold all 18yo Vietnam draftees responsible for My Lai?

sheesh--I thought the Bushistas were the Manicheans

[SodoffBush]

7. Personally, I prefer "Ratzi the Nazi" over

“the enforcer”, “the panzer cardinal” and “God’s rottweiler,” all nicknames which I'm sure are well deserved.

[Mondon]

9. Why are you sure they are well deserved?

[SodoffBush]

12. redundancy

for one, as if to underscore the obvious?

[wildmanj]

3. sodoffbush

what do you plan to do one day when your country calls you to serve in the military---you appear to have perfect hindsight but you as me when our country called would go----the only thing that makes us right today is WE WON---will we always win---i have no way of knowing but he/she who serves their country no matter the cause at an early age is just doing as told and not making grown up decisions-----easy to look back and say he should have done this or that

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[Mondon]

8. I call BS

Please provide ONE LINK showing Ratzinger (a) was a Nazi, (b) participated in any way in the genocide.

Please also provide specifically a link showing that "Ratzi the Nazi Pope knew, was involved, and has admitted that information while he was in Hungary."

Thank you in advance.

[Mondon]

10. HJ membership was compulsory by the time he was 10.

[wildmanj]

13. so what

when your serving in the military and someone tells you to guard this or that man are you going to tell them no and suffer the consequences of your actions---young men of military age say yes sir and no sir when taking orders from superiors----it is only in looking back with hindsight that you can make so bold a statement as to the fact he was a nazi----i must admit looking back the german nation was nuts following hitler---but---i also remember he was looked at as a great statesman and was time's man of the year---hitler and germany are today what they are because THEY LOST THE WAR----we need to make sure we never fall into this trap---god forbit that one day people would hunt our soldiers for 70 years for fighting in iraq--FIRST AND LAST MILITARY PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY ARE TOLD by their superiors

[SodoffBush]

15. excuses, excuses

former Hitler Jugend and "observer" of Jewish persecutions is now the Pope.

This was the best the Vatican could come up with?

No wonder the pews are empty in Germany.

[shadowknows69]

11. momentarily?

It's been all pope and Schaivo for like 5 months now it feels like.

[SodoffBush]

14. I was referring to Bush's family's Nazi past

[Moderator]

16. Locxking

This is innappropriate.