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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 11:10 PM
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Israel and winger Xtian supporters agree - no preaching gospel in Israel.
So-called "leaders" of the Christian evangelical movement have agreed to give up spreading the Gospel of Christ in the Holy Land in order to avoid being jailed under a proposed Israeli law aimed at stamping out Christian missionary work in Israel.

Anti-Christian forces led by a wide-ranging group of high-ranking Israeli officials won a major victory on March 30. Representatives of 50 different international Christian evangelical groups entered into what was described as an "unprecedented" joint statement promising not to carry out Christian missionary work in Israel.

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In response to the surrender by the Christian groups in the face of the anti-Christian legislation, one American Christian evangelist, Rev. Dale Crowley Jr., expressed great shock and dismay. Crowley said that those groups that endorsed the agreement have, in Crowley's direct terms, "Betrayed our Lord." Crowley says that purveying the Gospel of Christ to nonbelievers is integral to the Christian faith and stems from the biblical great commission directing Christians to share their faith.

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When I contacted the offices of Christian evangelists Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, both of whom are loud advocates of pro-Israel policy (despite the anti-Christian stance of the Israeli leadership), neither would comment on the anti-Christian legislation. Sen. Jesse Helms (R-N.C.) another vocal supporter of Israel (and ally of the so-called "Christian Right" in the United States), likewise refused to provide me any comment on the anti-Christian offensive in Israel.


http://www.whtt.org/whtt.shtml?rpr/ChristiansUnderAttack.htm

I wonder what Jesus thinks of this. "Go into all the world and preach the gospel," goes the great comission. Funny Jesus apparently forgot to add, "but don't bother preaching it in Israel."

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pasadenaboy Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 11:18 PM
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1.  A lot of fundies have this wierd idea
That everyone else in the world has to believe in Jesus, or they will spend eternity in hell. However, if you have the right mom (Jewish), you don't need to.

Just add it into their other insane beliefs.
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 11:31 PM
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4. After the Rapture, the idea is that most Jews get hurled in a lake of fire

Unless of course, they repent and convert to Xtianity.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 09:05 AM
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11. What I've found
If you talk to members of 15 different fundamentalist denominations, you'll get 15 different explanations as to how the "end times" scenario is supposed to play itself out and who will be saved and who won't. There's differences of opinion as to whether the rapture will occur before the phrophesized "great tribulation" or after, whether after the great tribulation Jesus will return to sit on an earthly throne in Jerusalem and reign for 1000 years, whether after the rapture people left behind will have a chance to repent and be saved. According to some it's after the rapture and while undergoing the great tribulation that many of the Jews are supposed to start believing in Christ, but some others have told me missing out on the rapture means basically you're toast for eternity. Of course since most of this stuff comes from the book of Revelation it's not hard to see why there's so much confusion.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 11:33 PM
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5. They're between a rock and a hard place.
There's still enough of them that believe they have to preach Jesus to the Jews that this could cause a split in their ranks and some cracks in their solidarity behind the cause of supporting Israel.

Note how big mouth Falwell who loves to be interviewed on CNN like he is some type of authority on matters religious is keeping his mouth shut on this matter and saying, "no comment." Because he knows whichever way he goes, either for or against this deal, he is going to piss off many of his fellow fundamentatlist.

The irony is delicious. They go out of their way to support Israel because they believe that in addition to preaching the gospel to "every creature" as per the great commision, their religion also teaches them that they should support Israel. Israel tells them we'll take your money for our illegal settlements in Palestine and its great to have you lobbying the folks in Washington on our behalf, just keep your religious dogma to yourselves and don't bring it over here, thank you very much.
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lcordero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 11:20 PM
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2. How about no preaching AT ALL
The species of Homo Erectus has the right of return to Israel and that takes precedence over the current occupiers's claim because the current occupiers's claim is FRAUDULENT.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 11:30 PM
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3. well christ
will love this one...can`t preach in israel..hey didn`t that get him killed a couple of thousand years ago? wow ,he`d have all kinds of ass to kick if he came back..he`d be throwing all kinds of money changers out of the temples....
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 11:36 PM
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7. Right up until a suicide bomber blew him to shreds.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 11:39 PM
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9. Gee, I thought he was bulldozed by a tank.
Or shot in the head by a rubber bullet. Or tortured to death in a prison cell for 'associating with known terrorists.' Or died of some easily preventable disease as a child in a refugee camp before he even got started. Something like one of those.
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loudnclear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 11:36 PM
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6. So much for being "persecuted for Jesus sake"
It's alright for the funddies to take their gospel to Islamics and try to convert them and bomb the hell out of them is they resist.

Shows you how fake these RW Christians are. Jesus told them to preach the gospel FIRST in Jerusalem and then the rest of the world. Guess they skip over that part.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 11:37 PM
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8. Give us your money, weapons, and your political support.
Keep your religion.
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cprise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 11:40 PM
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10. Anti-Christ afoot in Israel? End-Times?
:eyes:
I wonder if this is what the evangelicals are thinking. In which case, it would be a Likudnik/Xian escalation of apocalyptic self-fulfillment.
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