Where is Gannon's family?

[Quixote1818]

I don't know if I buy the Gannon/Gosh connection but why are their still so many unanswered questions on who the hell Gannon is? It amazes me that two months after all this broke people are still trying to figure out WHO Jeff Gannon is. Why are his lawyers telling him not to talk about the Gosh connection as they said on the video?

If I were Gannon it would be easy to track down all kinds of info on who I was, where I was born, who my family was, where I went to Elementary School, who my life long friends were. Call me stupid but I simply find it extremely hard to believe their is not more to this Gannon story that we don't know. Is he Gosh? I doubt it but WHY after two months of reporters looking into his life is this still a question? I find it hard to believe their is not much, much more to this story.

[Dookus]

1. I believe you are the Grand Duchess Anastasia

can you please give me the contact information for your whole family so they can discount my crackpot theory?

[Quixote1818]

2. I am sure you could track down a friend or an enemy that would fill

in the blanks. How about a teacher from Gannon's High School? How about kids who went to school with him in Pennsylvania? Their would have to be dozens of people who could put this story to rest.

[Dookus]

3. You presume

a) anybody is interested in putting this story to rest and

b) that it is THEIR responsiblity to respond to every whackjob theory on the internet.

[mzmolly]

5. I assume that THEY are interested in putting this story to rest.

Who in power wants talk of the pre-pubescent male prostitution ring that is/was prominent in Washington and elsewhere? Discussing the Gannon/Gosch possibility brings many an issue to the fore front.

[Dookus]

7. Because

the longer this stays in ANYBODY'S minds, the more people realize a sizable portion of people on the left are lunatics.

[mzmolly]

10. Oh really, you musn't have seen the headlines in the 1980's that showed

the Reagan white house involved in male prostitution?

Sorry, it's a fact that Johnny Gosch was kidnapped and Gannon was a male prostitute with access to the white house. Loony as our world is this shit happens.

[Dookus]

11. Of course I read them

and now can you tell me the degree to which "The Reagan White House" was involved in this?

From what I read, a republican fund-raiser in the midwest got a special tour of the White House. HE was involved in prostitution.

How does this link Reagan or Bush to prostitution? It's like saying a friend of a friend of a friend who deals drugs got a White House tour is equivalent to the President selling crack from the oval office.

[mzmolly]

14. Educate yourself here:

This goes far far deeper than one fundraiser.

http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_child_sex_coverup/franklin.htm

[Dookus]

15. OH please

of course I've read that. It's been posted here a thousand times.

It says exactly what I said - that a midwest fundraiser who was involved in prostitution got a White House tour with some of his "employees".

[mzmolly]

17. Apparently you did NOT read this.

Read the newspaper article. And then read this:

KARLYN BARKER, WASHINGTON POST, JULY 24, 1990: The alleged leader of what authorities have called the largest male prostitution operation in the Washington area surrendered to federal agents yesterday and pleaded not guilty to racketeering charges that have been filed against him and three alleged accomplices. Henry W. Vinson, 29, of Williamson, W.Va., a coal miner's son accused of setting up the homosexual escort service, was arraigned in U.S. District Court here yesterday afternoon after turning himself in to Secret Service agents . . . At a news conference after the arraignment, Stephens said the investigation into the alleged prostitution ring "is concluded" and that the indictment, which was unsealed yesterday, focused on those who allegedly set up the ring rather than on clients who reportedly patronized it. Asked about earlier reports that some of those clients included high-level officials in the Reagan and Bush administrations, Stephens said the investigation had not revealed "additional conduct which suggests criminal conduct on behalf of other people." . . . The Vinson case provoked additional notice after The Washington Times published reports last summer suggesting that the alleged prostitution ring had been patronized by government officials. The Times named as clients several low-level government employees and Craig J. Spence, a Washington lobbyist and party-giver who, the paper said, took friends and prostitutes on late-night tours of the White House. Spence was found dead in a Boston hotel room last fall, and authorities ruled his death a suicide . . . To date, however, investigators have disclosed no evidence linking any high-level government official to the escort service.

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Number=293370332

[Dookus]

18. ROFL

did you read the half of the sentence AFTER the part you highlighted?

"Stephens said the investigation had not revealed "additional conduct which suggests criminal conduct on behalf of other people."

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[Dookus]

21. Yes

Mzmolly - I assure you I have read all those articles.

Nothing in what you've posted demonstrates a meaningful link between Reagan/Bush and a child prostitution ring.

I find the testimony of the children involved to be entirely unreliable. One girl claims that George H. W. Bush was paying cash out in open at a party to secure a child to fuck. I find that unbelievable. They also claim Barney Frank was actively involved, and I find that, too, hard to believe.

The witnesses that you are all pinning your beliefs on are simply unreliable, in my opinion.

[mzmolly]

22. I believe the kids outrageous stories may be part of the coverup.

It's hard to have meaningful links to X when the witnesses end up dead. Guess that keeps people quiet though huh?

On edit, I have no BELIEFS about this one way or another. I am open minded is all.

[Warpy]

24. All this is going to take is a sympathetic waiter or bartender

at one of the establishments favored by Guckert/Gannon. DNA can be gathered from the lip of any drinking glass. All a waiter would have to do is collect the glass, stick it into a baggie, and deliver it for independent testing.

Mrs. Gosch has already expressed interest in DNA testing, so I know a sample from her would be easy to get.

Comparison of the two samples would rule them in or completely out as blood relatives.

However, until that happens, it's just going to be dismissed as more nutty internet speculation.

[Quixote1818]

6. The Gosh theory is irrelevant to this

What is relevant is that Gannon showed up in the White house without any ID. Don't you think reporters would have turned over every rock trying to find out who this guy was?

[bush_is_wacko]

9. All it takes it a simple DNA test.

Gannon will neither deny or confirm. He is stalling. Why? Really, Gannon holds the cards and he is deliberately putting himself out there. He is the one claiming he has a book coming out.

BTW, really the story is more about finding missing children. Gannon is secondary to that at this point. Noreen Gosch, Paul Bonnacci, Rusty Nelson, Ted Gunderson, and many more should just focus on finding a way to locate the kids that are missing.

Who do you think is telling the truth. That is my only question. Gannon can easily discredit the rumors by providing a swab of his cheek and seeing if it matches up. Noreen should be allowed to put the rumors to rest.

[Dookus]

13. Why on EARTH

should he submit to a DNA test to please you?

It's nuts. Should Steven King be forced to undergo a full examination to see if he killed John Lennon, as is alleged on the internet? No, of course not.

It's pure idiocy. The fact that he's 12 years older than Johnny Gosch is enough evidence for all but the truly deluded.

[Quixote1818]

16. I agree with you mostly

Dookus, you always have solid arguments so when you post I always read what you have to say because it's usually based on facts and sold reasoning. Like you I don't buy the Gannon/Gosh connection but I am still amazed that two months after all this broke that MSNBC is doing a story trying to figure out who the Male Prostitute with the fake ID who gained access to the White house is. This just amazes me!

[Dookus]

20. Thank you

I don't find it amazing. It's a very minor scandal.

It does not involve the President (as far as we know). There has been no evidence that Gannon was anything other than what we know - a former male-prostitute who got a White House Press pass on behalf a friendly "news agency".

Of course it's wrong. Of course it's salacious. But he wasn't working for the White House, nor can this be pinned (again, with the evidence we know today) on anybody other than a staffer in the press office.

I know a lot of people thought this was the smoking gun that would bring down Bush, but I never saw it that way. To me, it was always a slightly sordid mini-scandal that was a lot of fun to follow, but never came close to impacting the President.

[Occulus]

29. One question:

What proof have we of "Mr. Gannon's" age?

[Sparkle]

30. There is none.

Today (or yesterday) he looked to be in his 40's.

[Moosepoop]

34. You can't always determine age by looks.

I sell alcohol and tobacco products where I work, and I have to card people all the time. Believe me, I'm routinely shocked at how far off a person's age can be from what I had guessed going by their appearance.

Edited to add: And it goes both ways -- real age being older or younger than appearance indicates.

[zann725]

32. A "slightly sordid mini-scandal?"That describes Watergate and Monicagate

Funny how things snowball...given a shove.

[bush_is_wacko]

33. There is no "fact" in what he "claims" his age to be...

I am 40 but not a single one of my kids friends OR most adults who meet me have a clue how old I am. They think my 15 year old daughter is my sister. I look about 10 years younger than my age and could easily get away with claiming it. I have no problem admitting my age but most people question me when I tell them how old I am. As a result of how I look, people often ask me "blatantly" how old I was when I had my daughter. I WAS an adult AND married, but for some reason people THINK she was the product of a teenage "indiscretion." Many people have also commented that they think my parents are the "real" parents of my children and that (even at the age of 30) I look too "old" to be their daughter! Again, they were married and ADULTS when they had me, but people THINK they are too young to be my parents!

Gannon has conveniently claimed he is 12 years older than Gosch, yet his "escort services" website claims he is the age of Gosch. Gannon does look younger than he claims. Even I can see that. The HS photos, in no way "prove" Gannon's age since we don't KNOW if Gannon really is Guckert. I actually think those HS photos look like someone else. In fact they look like one of the many photos that have been "claimed" to be Gannon, but IMO, appear to be someone else. There is something about that HS photo and the adult version of this particular photo that match up better than Gannon and the HS photo do.

It is also quite easy to alter documents, pictures, and records, in this day and age and you should know that. People on DU do it all the time as a joke. They usually let everyone know it's a joke, but the documents look legitimate in every way.

[Bouncy Ball]

4. I don't know who Gosh is, but

I've wondered from the beginning who this "family" is that Gannon has referred to.

He's not married, he doesn't seem to have any kids. I've never EVER heard mention of parents or other relatives.

So who is this "family?"

No idea. Also was it ever verified that he was NEVER a Marine? Because that story stunk from the beginning, too.

And I don't watch the news--can anyone tell me why GAnnon threads are popping up again? Did something new happen?

[Quixote1818]

8. MSNBC reported on the Gannon/Gosh connection today

You can watch a video posted on one of the other threads.

[pnorman]

12. Somewhere on DU

was a link to a site where that question was pretty well settled. NO record of any military service could be found. I believe that for military records, it can be researched by anyone. All it takes is time and patience.

pnorman

[Synnical]

23. NO Military Service for Gannon/Guckert

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=5591

NO Military Service for Gannon/Guckert Fake name. Fake reporter. Fake news agency. And now this ...

Fake Marine.

First, we went to the Military Personnel Records of the National Personnel Records Center at St. Louis, Missouri, the supposed repository of all military records.

No record showed, but the official letter hemmed and hawed and scraped its military-booted feet so much, kinda sorta explaining that they’re often ... well ... ummm ... screwed up ... and that we should check directly with the United States Marine Corps at Quantico. You know, just to ... ummm ... make sure.

<snip>

And if anyone near Quantico wants to spend two hours sitting in the research room waiting to get yet further information that there are no records on Corporal Guckert, knock yourself out. Let me know if you come up with something. It’s taken me two months to get this far with two agencies, and frankly, I’ve had my fill of bureaucracy.

[Sparkle]

31. He has Winston. HIs pet dog.

Gannon says he likes being alone. Yeah right.

[Kansas Wyatt]

25. Somebody remembering him from earlier years is about like...

Trying to get anyone from Bush's National Guard Unit to place him in Alabama during is AWOL period. It's going down a slippery slope of suddenly, all relevant people are absent, and stricken with missing time and memory loss.

The next thing you know, we have a phony school note from Gannon's principle pop-out and the Propaganda Minister ratchets up the heat on the Liberal Elitist who was framed by it, I mean ended up with it. The investigation pertaining to Gannon's past is removed from the news, and the Propaganda Minister feeds the news with talking points about this phony school note. Missing time periods are forgotten about. *

* All uncooperative witnesses to the truth are suicided and never heard from again.

[enid602]

26. gannon/gosch

To me, it doesn't really matter whether or not Gannon is Gosch. But for some reason, a lot of clues have been left to connect the two. Johnny D. Gosch = JDG. James D. Guckert = JDG. Jeff Gannon (is his middle initial a 'D.' as well?) is a possible JDG. Jeff Gannon's name is similar to James D. Gannon (then editor of the Des Moines Register, who published Noreen Gosch's letter on page 1 in 1982 to discredit her): another JDG. On another DU thread, a DU-er noted that Gannon posted (on his jeffgannon.com website) a reference to 'JDG17,' a popular way of citing Bible verse. Judges 17 tells the story of a boy who was stolen from his family to live in a foreign culture.

It's almost as if someone wants us to connect the two. Many have said this effort is some sort of Rovian attempt to discredit left-wing bloggers, but why would anyone in the RW want to unearth long-dormant pedophile scandals, especially given that they lead back to RW leaders?

[Project_Willow]

27. Why it Matters if Gannon=Gosch

If Gannon is Gosch, it implicates various members/agencies of our government, and possibly the current administration in the following activities: kidnapping, child prostitution, murder, and behavioral experimentation on children. That would be a huge scandal.
When these pedophilic crime networks and experimentation programs are finally exposed (and they will be unless the thousands of witnesses and victims are 'eliminated'), I am sure that even in the face of the evidence, the truth will be too much for many people.
This topic, dispite its potential to blow the lid off some of the most extreme and ongoing human rights abuses in the history of this country, has been at times shut down and censored in this forum. It's a shame.

[enid602]

28. gosch/gannon

And yet, if the furor over Gannon brings these injustices to light, it really does not matter if he is Gosch or not. I think we are being lead to make the Gannon/Gosch connection so that we will have to look at these misdeeds. Someone wants this information public. BTW, have you downloaded the Kay Griggs videos? Unrelated to Gosch/Gannon, but I can see where a torrent of pedophile-abuse whistleblowers might soon get the courage to vent their stories, all at the same time.

[LibDemAlways]

35. If he has any family, they

must be so ashamed of him they've disowned him. Otherwise someone would have come forward by now.