Do you think the religious right wing nuts

[n2mark]

will have an impact on the election of the new Pope. I don't trust the shrub going to the Pope's funeral especially if Rove is going with him.

[TheFarseer]

1. they're not going to

give a shit what evangalicals and Rove thinks.

[Bronco69]

2. No.

I don't think they have any influence anywhere else. The rest of the world abhors their idiocy.

[Robbien]

9. Yes they have influence, because they are active and mobilized

They write and call congress every day and write and call papers, companies and all media complaining about any practice which offends their sensibilities.

Ninety percent of the complaints the FEC gets is from Focus on the Family.

They pushed Schiavo to the front of the news for three weeks straight.

Yes, they have influence on many things.


edit: but no, they do not have any influence on who the next Pope will be.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

3. What are you talking about?

Like the Catholic Church gives a shit about what some East-coast wanna-be hill-billy Methodist (not that all Methodists are hill-billies) thinks. Please. Chimpy IS THE VERY EMBODIMENT AS TO WHY NO AMERICANS ARE IN THE RUNNING FOR POPE. It's a little thing called hegemony.

[n2mark]

13. The RW's have a lot of influence,

they influenced the last election here and are trying to make an impact throughout the world. All shrub has to do is open his wallet and flash the dollars, Why is he attending the funeral of a man who disagreed with shrub. I also have been reading Evangelical and catholics in the same paragraph. No way, I don't trust shrub to travel to the funeral, he has something up his sleeves.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

17. Simple questions for chimpy at the Vatican:

1) Do you believe in transubstantiation? Why not?

2) Do you believe in the immaculate conception? Why not?

3) Do you revere icons? Why not?

4) Sola fide? Why?

5) In your reading of the Book of Revelation, does the Whore of Babylon refer to Rome, and then, by extension, to the papacy? Why or why not?

These questions barely scratch the surface.

Your premise is hard to swallow. The Vatican would have to bow down not only to protestant silliness but to American protestant silliness.

[WillowTree]

18. I don't know how to break this to you...

....but nobody "runs for pope". It isn't a race.

Not all that many people know it, but Cardinal Karol Wojtyla didn't even particularly want to be elected Pope. His hope was to be able to remain in Poland and work for freedom from the Soviet Bloc for and among his people.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

21. Not a race in the American electorate sense, but . . .

I've known 5 different people working in the Vatican in the last 10 years, and if you don't think that there are various deliberations, then your head is in the sand. No Jesuits (well, it would be a shock). No Americans (that would mean the coming of the anti-christ :-) , all 16th-century anti-papal literature aside). Why?

And I don't think these deliberations are a bad thing. They send a message. Why do you think the Holy Father was chosen? He did exactly what they thought he'd do. Doctrinally conservative: case closed (doctrinally conservative means both gentleness and a reinstatement of TRADITION).

[Erika]

4. Rove & Bush loved the death row gurneys

to the death chamber. Bush is still insistent our imperialism in Iraq has some kind of humane basis.

The Pope was against capital punishment and the Iraq war. Bush's pre-emptive strikes were in direct opposition to Christ's Golden Rule.

[madrchsod]

5. no

[Bluebear]

6. A lot of them don't even think Catholics are Christian!

The Jack Chick crowd.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0071/0071_01.asp

[kliljedahl]

12. Who is this bonehead anyway?

I'd never heard of him before I joined DU. I'm an atheist so I never paid much attention to this crap, but it looks like I'd better start. This guy is scary. Is he one of those late night TV guys?


http://www.kliljedahl.net

[Bluebear]

14. No, he has been around for decades, making his hateful little comic books

He writes those annoying tracts you find on phone booths and on public toilet stalls.

[n2mark]

16. Who are you talking about?

[kliljedahl]

20. Jack Chick

Did you notice which reply my question was to?

[alittlelark]

24. I grew up on those comics (40+yrs old). Mom bought in bulk and spread

them out at grocery stores, churches, bus-stops.... In middle school she had me stuffing them into other kids' lockers. By mid-HS I saw how disturbed she really was.

[Dharma_Bum]

7. None ...

The Vatican Cares about this much :puke: for some Right wing Americans!

[Aviation Pro]

8. The Rapture nut jobs...

...will try anything to accomplish their ultimate goal: the incineration of the Earth (with the selfish understanding that they're going to stand side-by-side with their bestest buddy Jesus). Fortunately, God has an enormous sense of humor and He probably has a checklist that reads like the following: believe in the baby and the cross, good. Didn't follow the teachings (you know, the important stuff), bad. Ding, go straight to Hell, don't pass purgatory on your way to enternal damnation.

[sellitman]

10. 95% of the Cardinals picking the next Pope were picked by the last one.

And he was very conservative. You can bet the next one will be the same way. Those are steep odds.

:shrug:

*spelling error

[CatholicEdHead]

11. Conservative, yes

but unthinking nutjobs they are not. Most are pretty well educated. They come about their decisions in a much different way than the knee-jerk style "born-agains".

http://www.nationalcatholicreporter.org/update/conclave/top_candidates.htm

[n2mark]

15. I have been seeing an uncomfortable change in our church

I also see my church swaying toward the Evangelicals.

At least one thing, there will not be an American Pope. If there is, I will defintely be afraid.

[Erika]

19. The Pope was totally against the Iraq war and capital

punishment.

Why would you be afraid? You think the Catholics could change the radical right wing on capital punishment? Or their approval of the Iraq war which the Pope was totally against?

[alcuno]

22. I heard some interesting thoughts about the new pope.

Perhaps he will take on the issue of social justice more than John Paul II did because that is something that all Catholics (especially liberal Catholics) can agree upon. I think that the Holy Father concentrated on the issues of gay marriage and abortion but left undone a real press for social justice throughout the world.

[alittlelark]

23. Two of my friends stopped going to their churches (Bible-Type)

Because they were getting political and weird. This is in the SF Bay Area.

The Cardinals will NOT elect an American Pope. A third of the world would have a conniption fit.

[mcscajun]

25. Not only won't they have any impact; just about nothing in America,

inluding the American Cardinals, will have much of an impact.