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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 01:39 PM
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James Baker and Ralph Munroe must step down
According to Brad Friedman of www.bradblog.com, ACVR American Center for Voting Rights is a group recently created by high-level Bush/Cheney/RNC Officials and is anything but "non-partisan." The
ACVR leadership includes Mark F. (Thor) Hearne, the National Counsel for Bush/Cheney '04 Inc. and Jim Dyke, the RNC's Communications Director.

ACVR's genesis coincided with the creation of a "bi-partisan" blue-ribbon commission convened to study and recommend solutions for Electoral Problems in 2004. The co-chairs of the Baker/Carter Commission are former President Jimmy Carter, and current-Bush Family loyalist and long-time clean-up man, James A. Baker, III.

The ACVR report was presented to Congress in a U.S. House Administrative Committee hearing on the electoral mess in Ohio by (votehere?). The then-three-day old GOP front group, acting as a
"voting rights" organization, was curiously the only such group called as witnesses in the hearings convened by the committee's Chairman, Rep. Bob Ney R-OH). Bob Ney, by the way, was one of the sponsors
of the Help America Vote Act (HAVA), and is well known to favor paperless voting.

So, to recap, a GOP front group posing as a voting rights group presented a skewed report to a committee chaired by a known opponent of voter-verified paper ballots that secure the counting of our votes cast on electronic machines. This is an outrage to the goals of election reform.

Baker's position as co-chair of this commission has been denounced by a real voting rights organization, Velvet Revolution. Baker was diligent in his efforts to discount the votes of hundreds if not thousands of Americans in Florida during the 2000 Bush/Gore election debacle. As a consequence, VR is calling for the immediate removal of James Baker from this
commission.

Ralph Munro who is on the board of directors at VoteHere has also been named as a participant; clearly, VoteHere (www.votehere.com ) intends to use these hearings push its "paper-trail" non-solution solution.

Both Mr. Munro and Mr. Baker have obvious conflicts of interest. Mr. Baker is with The Carlyle Group which owns Populex Voting (www.populex.com ). Like VoteHere, Populex advocates a voter-verifiable "paper ballot card". Let's not mince terms here: we the people will accept nothing less than a voter verified paper ballot as the ballot of record. A "paper ballot card" is not a ballot of record and therefore does not secure the vote or the accuracy of a recount.

I am stepping up to the plate to back VR's call for Baker's removal. In addition, Mr. Munro must also be excluded because of his ties to VoteHere. If this Commission is to have any credibility whatsoever, it should replace its GOP clean up crew with members of respected voting rights groups whose aim is, transparently and simply, electoral reform.

Andy Stephenson
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 01:43 PM
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1. depressing--do you have any inside poop on CA?
Why did senate and assembly dems ignore us and what will happen as a result of their short sightedness?
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 02:39 PM
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4. $64,000 question.
I am afraid of what is going on there. I don't think california will be quite as blue as it has been.
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bluedeminredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 02:07 PM
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2. Wow!
This is how they get away with it so boldly and openly. They know the MSM just can't and won't distill the story into a cogent analysis (like you just did) and therefore will opt for more "entertaining" fare such as Michael Jackson and Terri Shiavo.
Despite the fact that this is not about Bill Clinton's libido, semen stains or unsubstantiated accusations of rape, and will be buried as "too boring," it should scare the shit out of every American who really cares about America. And America is not just Bush and the republican party as many conservatives seem to feel.
It's long past the time for the public to be informed of how they are being represented by this one party government which holds them in such contempt that they don't trust them to fairly elect their leaders.
I feel sick.
:(
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 02:38 PM
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3. Pay attention to this Yall...
this one we need to keep our eye on.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 04:04 PM
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5. kick
:kick:
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 04:48 PM
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6. Good to see Andy posting again.
We need a strong hitter in our lineup behind Brad.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:28 PM
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7. Evening kick
:kick:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:30 PM
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8. kick
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:47 PM
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9. kicked & marked.
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 08:49 PM
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10. Kicking for Andy!
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 09:33 PM
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11. Thanks, Andy. This is EXTREMELY important.
I have been following this on Bradblog.

Nominated.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:48 PM
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12. Kick
:kick:
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:57 PM
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14. Kick
Simply amazing. :crazy: No wonder people don't believe us.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-05 10:53 PM
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13. As long as Baker remains co-chair on this...
the only thing anyone can be assured of is recommendations that have been approved by the same gang that acted on behalf of bush in Florida in 2000.

I love Jimmy Carter and think he is one of the most principled Presidents ever but I also think he will be overpowered and overridden in this as long as Baker and his ilk are involved in any way.

Damn, Andy, you have my greatest respect, you keep fighting the good fight even when times are tough for you!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 06:27 AM
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17. Baker being on this commission is a slap in the face
to anyone who is serious about counting votes.

A new low for MendacityCentral.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 12:49 AM
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15. Kick!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 01:46 AM
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16. Recommended. (nt)
www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 08:33 AM
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18. .
morning :kick:
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 11:20 AM
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19. kick!
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 11:50 AM
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20. And another kick for Andy.
:bounce:
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-05 01:27 PM
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21. another kissk for you Andy.
:loveya:
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 11:09 AM
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22. kick
:kick:
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 11:14 AM
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23. Perfect Justice would be James A. Baker III facing
a firing squad headed by John Negroponte.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 11:35 AM
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24. Kickety kick!
:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 02:53 PM
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25. Kick!
I saw James Baker in downtown Houston a few years ago.... should have given him the finger.:-)
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 03:37 PM
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26. James Baker, a creepy figure ...
Kick!!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 06:47 PM
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27. "Not one line of software between a voter and a valid election" (nt)
Edited on Sun Apr-03-05 06:47 PM by understandinglife
www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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